"Average" Scholarship and High/Low

Your assuming the program is fully funded as far as scholarships go.  11.7 is the max, a school can elect to provide less scholarship money.

Assume for this discussion that the program is fully funded.  To ask a different way, what scholarship amounts are the top high school players being offered (and accepting/signing) when the true expectation is that they are getting drafted in the top 50.  Do major programs attempt to entice these kids with 100% or is there some realistic cap? 

There are several threads that have approximate breakouts.  I couldn't find the one I was looking for but this one has a ton of good related info...

 

http://community.hsbaseballweb...pic/117-scholarships

 

Dansby Swanson did not have full ride at Vandy. W baseball and academic money he still had to take out student loan.

A college may offer 100% before the draft to keep the player from going. 

 

Otherwise, 100% baseball is rare.

 

Pitchers, and maybe catchers, get the most.

Then up the middle:  C, SS, 2B CF.

Then other position players.

 

Any scholarship is good!

I recently read an article where a head coach will offer a very large amount to entice the player to sign, but then has to go back and tell a current player he now has less.  I won't name the program but  I am going to assume that this is a common practice among many big programs. All recruits are offered different amounts. 

You might want do some homework on any program that is intetested in your son and how they can or not spend their athletic dollars and that can vary between in state schools as well. Not all institutions have the same guidelines.

For example, can this out of state school offer in state tuition.  Some of these things will or will not affect the amount offered. Also the families economic situation. As well as position.  

Remember the minimum is 25% but a coach doesnt have to give any athletic dollars.

 

 

 

Took a look at the article suggested by cabbagedad and then did my own search (probably should have done that to begin with).  While the post was from 2006, I'm guessing much of the info remains true today.  Found it a little hard to believe that the pitching staff would be allocated 6-7 of the total 11.7 with another 2 for catchers.  Seems like this leaves little for others especially if you need to attract some middle infielder talent.

 

I suppose lots of college coaches are sharpening their pencils and may have to do some creative math over the next couple of weeks as drafted players either sign or decide to attend.  I assume the numbers tied up with some of these recruits are substantial (50%+) and some of these guys may wait until the July 17th deadline before deciding.  Looks like rounds 1-10 have a pretty high signing percentage but after that it looks like it trails off. 

 

What I did learn here is the various ways a coach can construct an offer to minimize the use of scholarship numbers.  I certainly hope we someday have this "problem" or sorting through the details but it is interesting reading none the less and am sure that it is very imnportant to some families at this very moment as they beging to make decisions. 

Although scholarship allotment is different than in 2006 (27) high profile pitchers will always get the lions share.  Catchers and ss next, the more tools the higher the offer, especially if the player is flexible at other positions and can hit.

 

 

 

This is how it worked for my daughter at a D-II that only has 7,2 scholarships.  She was made an offer during recruitment.  It was substantial for a non pitcher/catcher.  Pitchers and catchers tend, imo, to get more.  Coaches can not talk to nor sway school personnel with regards to academic scholarships.  Some schools have "standard" scholarships that they offer to most students and so, those seem to make their way to athletes but again normal students get them as well.  Academic scholarships are applied for during recruitment if a recruit wants to sit down and do so.  From a recruit's GPA, Class Rank, and ACT/SAT score, other scholarships are available as well.

 

My daughter received her athletic and then an academic scholarship which was tied to her GPA, Class Rank, and ACT score.  Note, students can lose these academic scholarships and many do. 

 

After her freshman year and on her exit interview, she was told her athletic scholarship monies for the next year from the coach.  She could take it or leave it.  My daughter's monies didn't change.  Most of the others did in some fashion.  Some got more and some got less.  When agreed upon, a contract was signed.  I don't think any monies could then be changed unless the student decided to transfer or not play.  Per the Academic Scholarship, as long as a student met the requirements, these scholarships self renewed.  My daughter held on to hers all 4 years.  However, upon graduation, she and only 4 others still had those scholarships.  Only one other senior still had hers. 

 

Parents tended to ask others what their child was receiving and compare them.  We tried not to do that by giving a percentage.  We simply said that her scholarship remained what it was her freshman year.  That was the truth.  Believe me, you know the parents who's daughter lost some money right away in the fall each year. My wife and I spent roughly $2,000 each year for housing on campus and maybe an odd book here and there after her monies were expended.  We did have to pay for her living style and, as most of you know, D-IIs don't provide meals.  Well, I understand that this year D-IIs will have the option to do so. 

CoachB25 - your post got me thinking - during the early days of recruitment (coach talking to kid), do coaches provide many specifics and do they expect direct questions back from the kid?  Some time back I just assumed every coach threw out a percentge of total cost - a nice generic figure that was comparable across offers.  Now it seems like you have to get the coach to provide specifics early on - when everyone is getting to know one another.  Should a kid expect to get details around any offer or is some level of detail generally lacking when the kid commits and these get cleared up as everyone moves toward NLI day?

And.......still nobody wishes to comment on stipends which I believe will start getting handed out this fall.  Anybody?  I find this wrinkle and the rather large range in amounts to be paid by schools fascinating.  Gotta beleive the amounts will start to even out (on the upper end most likely) but cannot wait to hear stories about why such and such player went to school A because they were handing out a bigger allowance.

2017, I can't speak to everyone's experience.  At most of the schools recruiting my daughter at both the D-I and D-II level, they mentioned in state, out of state, in region, out of region, ... costs and then gave us a percentage range she might fall into.  Every coach mentioned that they could not give us and info on exactly how much academic money she would qualify for.  Still, with her GPA, Class Rank and ACT scores, they could give us a range of financial assistance past players received. 

 

So, one school in Kentucky stated that she was "in region" and so, would received x rate tuition.  She would get 40% athletic monies.  She should qualify for another 40% academic.  (Not guaranteed.)  From there, we could figure out what it would cost us for a semester if she attended that school.  I think that this is how it goes for most. 

 

BTW, when my daughter signed her contract each year after her freshman year, that amount was not negotiable. 

Hi TPM -

Any chance you have a link to the article you reference? I suspect that what you suggest happens more than most would like to admit.  It's not likely that most people run around telling everyone that they got their scholly reduced, so it's probably not known well that this sort of thing happens.  My son got an offer in the ACC that I am suspicious this very thing happened with some upperclassmen.  I can't prove it, so I would never name the coach or the school, but I suspected at the time that might be going on.  Was one of the reasons son declined, if it can happen to others, it can happen to you.

I know someone at a PAC-12 that this happened to. However, things are changing -- now athletic scholarships at PAC-12 schools are guaranteed for 4 years (see: http://pac-12.com/article/2014...thletes-guaranteeing). I believe the Big 10 has instituted a similar rule.

 

Send you a dm.

Starting pitchers may get 50%.  Dual pitcher/hitters may get 50%.  Others may get up to 25%.

Just to be clear. You can't get "up to 25%."  25% is the minimum. You get either 0% or 25-100%. No one gets between 0-25% anymore. 

       
       

I hate to agree with tpm, lol, but I heard the same story from a dad this weekend concerning a D1 player who was offered less and less each year to make scholarship room for recruits.  It's s good reason to try for maximum academic money.  And also realize that the investment in tournament ball doesn't offer a very good payback for most if us.

And just to be clearer, that applies to NCAA D1.  D2, NAIA and JUCO can be below 25%.

Our D1 son doesn't have any experience with stipends. School/or conference doesn't have the money I guess.

 

I believe the ACC announced they would allot $2000 per athlete (someone I am sure will correct me).  That can be quite a hit to large schools with many athletic programs.  Also, if you are on 35% scholly, you would get 35% of the stipend.

 

 

When my son was being recruited  by several schools and had offers from several too, we only ran into one school that offered a stipend in addition to covering tuition, housing, meals and books.  This was back in 2009 and the stipend about was $350 month and the total offered by the school amounted to a little over 80% of total college expense that included the stipend.  The school's name is Cal Poly.  Ultimately, son decided to take a smaller percentage for his dream school that had much higher tuition and no stipend.  

Bumping this along to see if anyone from class of 2015 or before has gotten any information on their school's stipend policy as the school year approaches.  As I understand it the stipend will be allocated in the same percentage as the scholarship.  Looks like the SEC schools for some reason have some rather large stipends.

 

Anyone 2016 or later had the stipend amount thrown in as part of the recruiting process?

I'm struggling to understand why this is anything more than a secondary consideration, if that. Perhaps that's why very few have responded to your various inquiries.

 

First of all, as currently devised, the schools are at the mercy of the federal government's "cost of attendance" formula for determining their stipend's amount. As a result, it shouldn't be regarded in any way as an expression of each school's commitment to athletics.

 

Turning to the sheer dollars and cents involved, let's use the SEC as an example. Tennessee's stipend is the conference's largest at $5,666 per year. Kentucky's is the smallest at $2,284. If we assume that a baseball player is receiving a 50% athletic scholarship, he'd receive $2,833 per year at Tennessee. At Kentucky, he'd receive $1,142; a difference of $1,691. ...and that's based upon the extremes in the conference. In many cases, the difference would be appreciably smaller, depending upon the schools under consideration.

 

If the player's athletic scholarship is at the minimum for Division I (25%), the difference shrinks to $846.

 

If a family's financial circumstances are such that a difference in the neighborhood of $1,500 per year is significant enough to influence a decision, so be it. However, it seems to me that there are a great many considerations on the table when making a college choice that would overcome $1,500 for many families.

 

Seems like more of a "mole hill" than a "mountain" to me when considering all of the factors present.

Just out of curiosity, does this apply to D2 institutions or only D1?

Stipends are not options at all D1 schools.  The schools have to have the money to fund it (think large schools with big football programs and seemingly unlimited athletic money). Are there any conferences/colleges outside the SEC and ACC doing this?  Just wondering....

Not sure which schools this applies to other than the larger conferences have decided to proceed in this fashion and the NCAA is not saying that it in any way violates their regulations.

 

I'm really just more curious than anything else.  Have always been fond of SEC football and your example of Tennessee versus Kentucky could have some significance for 100% scholarship athletes - this stipend basically translates into money in their pocket especially if the player is eligible for Pell grant funds.  You are quite true in that a baseball player going to Kentucky with a 25% athletic scholarship is probably not going to focus on the extra $571 for the year.  That said, was curious as to whether any program was actually touting this new, albeit relatively small, source of funds to their recruits.  This discussion is probably best left to Friday afternoon after the important topics have been addressed - including how to avoid the $5 parking fee.

You know, I don't find it that insignificant. This isn't money for tuition, this is cash dollars an athlete can use for books, food, etc. There are MANY families out there that are in circumstances where $1500 - $3000 a year for food, etc. is a pretty big deal.

It applies solely to the "Power 5:" ACC, Big 10, Big 12, PAC 12, and SEC.

 

This was a major issue associated with their successful effort to gain a certain amount of autonomy from the NCAA's regulations.

 

Frankly, the "non-revenue" sports had so little to do with their effort that it wouldn't surprise me if, after gaining the desired degree of autonomy, officials in some "P5" quarters looked at one another and said, "Oh my gosh, what do we do with the "non-revenues?" Virtually all of their attention had been devoted to the 100% scholarship athletes in football and basketball; or, so it seemed.

 

Just to be clear, my post was not meant in any way to demean or slight families for whom the considerations are overwhelmingly financial in nature. I don't think that way.

 

However, I do happen to believe that there's a "value" associated with the various dimensions that go into determining a student-athlete's "fit," athletically,academically, and socially, that ought to be weighed against the strictly financial aspects in the decision-making process. Since there's no specific financial value ascribed to such dimensions, it's up to each family to decide how much to apply to the non-financial elements.

The “local” Pac-12 school has 17 commits for 2016. Talking with the parents of some of these commits (not the stud commits who are getting baseball scholarships) they were offered a preferred walk on plus free room, books and food.  They could all receive better offers and more playing time at another school. The draw is being part of a big national program and paying in state tuition which is a lot less then the private or out of state schools they could play for. 

 

Now about half of the commits listed each year from this school never make the 35 man roster. Guess I will find out what happens to those who were cut in a little over a year.

forgive my naivete, but if they don't make the team, the money disappears?  Is that how the preferred walk on system works?

...and my naivete...How is the above not a scholarship?

http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/invited_walk_ons.htm

 

This Hsbaseballweb thing has one surprise after another.

That article could use some post-2007 updating. That's the year that the NCAA in its infinite wisdom decided to establish that 27 players on the 35-man roster would receive a minimum of a 25% athletic scholarship in Division I.

 

Once that occurred, it created an 8-man pool of walk-ons, none of whom can receive athletic funds. However, they can (and often do) qualify for need-based and/or merit money if they qualify using the standards for all students at that school. 

 

If cut from the team and they continue to be enrolled at that school, one would presume that whatever need-based and/or merit funds they received initially would continue; so long as they continue to qualify.

 

The hard-and-fast, 35-man limit on the roster, coupled with the many factors affecting baseball players' availability, cause the pool of walk-ons to function as a program's "pressure valve." When the 35-man limit is approached (as is often the case), it's the walk-ons who are typically looked upon as the first candidates for the cut. 

I was also curious about how they are eligible to receive room and books. I did not ask the parents to cite any rule. Free food is available to all athletes on a team, scholarship or not in the Pac-12.

 

My comments above were based on talking to 2 kids on my son's travel team and another parent I know well during a showcase. They all gave the same answer so I don't think they are embellishing what their kid was offered. My feeling is this is contingent on the kid making one of the 8 walk on spots in the 35 man roster. I figure 2 or 3 may be open to this class where 10 to 12 commits are preferred walk ons.

Free food in the Pac-12?  As I understand it, the NCAA did away with training tables years ago and are now restricted to providing "snacks" and "supplements".  I remember reading about the "cream cheese" decision that said bagels were an appropriate snack whereas if cream cheese is provided that would constitute a breakfast item and therefore is not allowed.  I believe there are some old converted dorms that used to house athletes (football players) exclusively which had their own cafeteria - and big refrigerators holding lots of USDA Grade A beef that was served daily.  I may have heard that they were trying to relax the food restrictions but I don't think an athlete, scholarship or not, has free access to breakfast, lunch and dinner.

My son plays in the Pac-12. Kids on scholarship get books, fees and tuition paid first. Anything left over is applied to housing costs. No walk on is getting free room, books and food from an athletic offer. Maybe those boys are receiving academic money?

 

I've heard rumors that the Pac-12 was supplying 15 meals per week to athletes, I haven't been able to confirm and son is no help. I'd love to hear what other know.   

My son is heading to the Big 12 and his team will be providing all meals per the new NCAA rule.

 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...ete-well-being-rules