What's average speed pitcher throw in a varsity team?
Francis Cossette
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this question has been asked a hundred times, but i think it really depends on what area you live in, how big the schools are, etc. I would guess somewhere around 80mph.
Absolutely the top out speed of most varsity pitchers is less than 80. Dick Mills says it's around 79 mph. My educated guess is that it's more like 76 on a Stalker gun. .
Yes, this subject comes up every other month here.
At least it's a better question than the other common one: "I'm 12 [or 11 or 13] years old and throw 86 mph. Is that any good?"
Yes, this subject comes up every other month here.
At least it's a better question than the other common one: "I'm 12 [or 11 or 13] years old and throw 86 mph. Is that any good?"
No one knows what the average is. It's impossible to know.
My guess is... if you live in Miami, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego, Tampa, Dallas, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, etc. the average is higher than other places.
If you live in Strawberry Point, Mayberry, Cranberry, etc. the average is likely lower.
We live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (the world's most average city) We see very few high school pitchers around town (8 high schools) who throw below 80. We see several who are mid 80s. Sometimes we see upper 80s, even 90 or better.
For every mid 80s pitcher, there would have to be a pitcher throwing 67 to make a 76 mph average. For every 90 mph pitcher it would take a 62 mph pitcher to average 76. I don't know that I've ever seen a 62 mph fastball in this town. We've seen the 90 types though.
62 mph is the approximate speed we throw BP in our building. I know because we have a radar display.
My guess is... if you live in Miami, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego, Tampa, Dallas, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, etc. the average is higher than other places.
If you live in Strawberry Point, Mayberry, Cranberry, etc. the average is likely lower.
We live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (the world's most average city) We see very few high school pitchers around town (8 high schools) who throw below 80. We see several who are mid 80s. Sometimes we see upper 80s, even 90 or better.
For every mid 80s pitcher, there would have to be a pitcher throwing 67 to make a 76 mph average. For every 90 mph pitcher it would take a 62 mph pitcher to average 76. I don't know that I've ever seen a 62 mph fastball in this town. We've seen the 90 types though.
62 mph is the approximate speed we throw BP in our building. I know because we have a radar display.
quote:We live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (the world's most average city) We see very few high school pitchers around town (8 high schools) who throw below 80. We see several who are mid 80s.
Maybe for the senior starters at big schools. There are many more small and rural schools where the reserves throw around 70...tops. Small schools use a lot of 15 year old sophs and a some freshmen. We have plenty of small private schools and inner-city schools that are lucky to field a baseball team at all.
It makes a big difference on whom you include amongst pitchers. Are your talking the whole staff, the #1, or the #1 & #2?
Our 2 top guys are mid to low 80's, but I have seen on ave. the other teams are below that.
Our 2 top guys are mid to low 80's, but I have seen on ave. the other teams are below that.
I Would say that the average pitcher of a varsity game on a given night is 77-80mph....I have faced a number of pitchers on the varsity level and the average is about that..............i am from indiana as well so the locating is important.......
I looked at the results from a showcase company that listed TOP speeds.
12 @ 91 to 94
39 @ 87 to 90
46 @ 84 to 86
55 @ 81 to 83
350+ @ 80 or less.
Assuming the average for the 80 or less is 77 and taking the average top speed for each range we get an average TOP speed of 79.5 mph. That would put the average cruising speed at about 76 mph.
I realize not all of these are varsity pitchers but these are almost all kids who think they are good enough to take advantage of attending a showcase.
My guess is that the average cruising speed of a varsity pitcher is about 78 mph.
We didn't have guns back in the day but I'm guessing with me slowing things down despite having a 4th round draft pick my HS staff averaged 78 mph or less cruising speed.
12 @ 91 to 94
39 @ 87 to 90
46 @ 84 to 86
55 @ 81 to 83
350+ @ 80 or less.
Assuming the average for the 80 or less is 77 and taking the average top speed for each range we get an average TOP speed of 79.5 mph. That would put the average cruising speed at about 76 mph.
I realize not all of these are varsity pitchers but these are almost all kids who think they are good enough to take advantage of attending a showcase.
My guess is that the average cruising speed of a varsity pitcher is about 78 mph.
We didn't have guns back in the day but I'm guessing with me slowing things down despite having a 4th round draft pick my HS staff averaged 78 mph or less cruising speed.
We just finished a 15 and Under showcase with 45 kids this past weekend. The majority of these kids were local players. It was an open event that anyone under 15 could attend. We have seen many of the top 14-15 year olds who have thrown high 80s or even in the 90s. None of those types attended this camp.
Notice the ages ranged from 13 to 15. The year in school ranged from 7th grader to sophomores. Most players were secondary position pitchers. Of all these very young players who pitched, 5 topped out below 70 mph, 21 were between 70 and 75, 12 pitchers were over 75 mph. These are all Stalker readings.
I don’t know what this means regarding average velocity of high school varsity pitchers, but it’s pretty obvious the average of these very young pitchers was over 70 mph. I would surely expect them to gain velocity over the next few years.
Here is a chart showing size, age, yr in school, velocity and primary position they play. For an idea of the talent present only one of the players ran under a 7 flat 60 (6.95). Only one pop time was below 2.2 (2.04).
Ht Wt Age Yr Velocity Primary Pos
6-0 210 15 07 71 1B
6-1 185 15 07 78 OF
5-11 180 14 08 71 RHP
5-7 180 15 08 71 OF
5-11 200 14 09 70 LHP
6-3 165 14 08 77 RHP
6-0 152 14 09 75 SS
5-10 155 15 08 74 1B
5-10 160 14 08 75 C
5-11 165 15 08 73 SS
6-0 170 14 08 74 OF
5-10 175 15 08 76 OF
5-11 170 14 09 78 C
5-5 120 14 09 63 INF
5-9 165 15 08 69 C
5-11 170 15 08 81 RHP
6-0 150 14 08 75 RHP
5-10 190 15 08 76 C
5-10 150 14 09 76 3B
5-9 150 14 09 71 3B
6-4 205 14 08 77 RHP
5-11 150 15 08 76 OF
5-6 140 14 09 75 OF
6-0 150 15 08 66 3B
6-2 170 15 08 74 RHP
6-0 235 15 07 67 1B
5-9 150 14 08 68 C
6-1 190 14 09 80 OF
6-1 155 15 08 74 OF
6-0 164 15 07 71 C
5-9 145 14 09 71 C
6-2 185 15 08 77 RHP
5-9 145 14 09 70 LHP
5-9 145 13 10 75 SS
5-9 153 14 08 71 INF
5-8 145 15 07 73 3B
6-1 155 15 08 80 OF
6-0 155 14 09 72 OF
5-11 150 15 08 72 C
Notice the ages ranged from 13 to 15. The year in school ranged from 7th grader to sophomores. Most players were secondary position pitchers. Of all these very young players who pitched, 5 topped out below 70 mph, 21 were between 70 and 75, 12 pitchers were over 75 mph. These are all Stalker readings.
I don’t know what this means regarding average velocity of high school varsity pitchers, but it’s pretty obvious the average of these very young pitchers was over 70 mph. I would surely expect them to gain velocity over the next few years.
Here is a chart showing size, age, yr in school, velocity and primary position they play. For an idea of the talent present only one of the players ran under a 7 flat 60 (6.95). Only one pop time was below 2.2 (2.04).
Ht Wt Age Yr Velocity Primary Pos
6-0 210 15 07 71 1B
6-1 185 15 07 78 OF
5-11 180 14 08 71 RHP
5-7 180 15 08 71 OF
5-11 200 14 09 70 LHP
6-3 165 14 08 77 RHP
6-0 152 14 09 75 SS
5-10 155 15 08 74 1B
5-10 160 14 08 75 C
5-11 165 15 08 73 SS
6-0 170 14 08 74 OF
5-10 175 15 08 76 OF
5-11 170 14 09 78 C
5-5 120 14 09 63 INF
5-9 165 15 08 69 C
5-11 170 15 08 81 RHP
6-0 150 14 08 75 RHP
5-10 190 15 08 76 C
5-10 150 14 09 76 3B
5-9 150 14 09 71 3B
6-4 205 14 08 77 RHP
5-11 150 15 08 76 OF
5-6 140 14 09 75 OF
6-0 150 15 08 66 3B
6-2 170 15 08 74 RHP
6-0 235 15 07 67 1B
5-9 150 14 08 68 C
6-1 190 14 09 80 OF
6-1 155 15 08 74 OF
6-0 164 15 07 71 C
5-9 145 14 09 71 C
6-2 185 15 08 77 RHP
5-9 145 14 09 70 LHP
5-9 145 13 10 75 SS
5-9 153 14 08 71 INF
5-8 145 15 07 73 3B
6-1 155 15 08 80 OF
6-0 155 14 09 72 OF
5-11 150 15 08 72 C
Thanks for sharing the data!
quote:I realize not all of these are varsity pitchers but these are almost all kids who think they are good enough to take advantage of attending a showcase.
Good info. That group surely includes some sophs and freshmen who aren't varsity. But overall any showcase group is VERY elite.
Plenty of small school varsity pitches can't exceed 70 but they aren't going to showcases. Also, I figure putting a gun on anyone and asking them to throw 15 pitches will add two-three mph.
I'm sticking with my guess that 76 is about game average top-out.
PGStaff: Great post. I posted mine before I saw yours.
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How many of those kids (and Dads), I wonder, insist that your gun must be broken because they "actually can throw 90?"
45 kids in Cedar Rapids is probably far less that 10% of the active players. Surely that's a more talented than average group among the locals.
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How many of those kids (and Dads), I wonder, insist that your gun must be broken because they "actually can throw 90?"
45 kids in Cedar Rapids is probably far less that 10% of the active players. Surely that's a more talented than average group among the locals.
Here's your 9 primary position pitchers:
5-11 180 14 71
5-11 200 14 70
6-3 165 14 77
5-11 170 15 81
6-0 150 14 75
6-4 205 14 77
6-2 170 15 74
6-2 185 15 77
5-9 145 14 70
What is the normal size kid doing in there? I expect my son to be about his size but thinner next year at 14 and he'll probably register about 72-74 max on a stalker, though one never knows.
C'mon I know they grow them big in the Midwest but this group of 14-15yo primary position pitchers average 6'1/2" tall and 175 lbs. Even so their average top velocity is only 74.7 mph. This is not an average group of HS players/players to be. I expect this group will gain about 8 to 10 mph on their fastballs as they go through HS so if we add 9 mph to the average now assuming that they're pitching on varsity as both juniors and seniors and not taking account their sophmore season where they won't have picked up as much velocity then their average top speed would be about 83.5. Take off the usual 4 mph and they're cruising at about 79.5 on average. So this clearly above average in size group would end up with an average velocity only slightly more than we've been saying. Good data.
5-11 180 14 71
5-11 200 14 70
6-3 165 14 77
5-11 170 15 81
6-0 150 14 75
6-4 205 14 77
6-2 170 15 74
6-2 185 15 77
5-9 145 14 70
What is the normal size kid doing in there? I expect my son to be about his size but thinner next year at 14 and he'll probably register about 72-74 max on a stalker, though one never knows.
C'mon I know they grow them big in the Midwest but this group of 14-15yo primary position pitchers average 6'1/2" tall and 175 lbs. Even so their average top velocity is only 74.7 mph. This is not an average group of HS players/players to be. I expect this group will gain about 8 to 10 mph on their fastballs as they go through HS so if we add 9 mph to the average now assuming that they're pitching on varsity as both juniors and seniors and not taking account their sophmore season where they won't have picked up as much velocity then their average top speed would be about 83.5. Take off the usual 4 mph and they're cruising at about 79.5 on average. So this clearly above average in size group would end up with an average velocity only slightly more than we've been saying. Good data.
CADad,
Yes, I would say these players are above average for their age. But we have seen others around the country who are much more advanced at the same age.
We do grow em big in Iowa! Corn fed!!!! No steroids here... don't need it!
By the way, the 7th grader is Ryan Sweeney's younger brother. Sweeney is the White Sox #2 ranked prospect in the minor leagues. His little brother is going to be real good.
Yes, I would say these players are above average for their age. But we have seen others around the country who are much more advanced at the same age.
We do grow em big in Iowa!
Corn fed!!!! No steroids here... don't need it!By the way, the 7th grader is Ryan Sweeney's younger brother. Sweeney is the White Sox #2 ranked prospect in the minor leagues. His little brother is going to be real good.
Just to chime in from Minnesota, I would say the average HS varsity pitching speed here is around 78-80, but the range is huge, from 70 to near 90.
My son played for a small private HS where they had a drafted player throw 90 mph in the recent past, but in the 3 years my son pitched for varsity, each year their 3 main starters were in the 75-80 range, with a couple of less-frequently used pitchers in the 70-75 range. Other schools in their conference also had pitchers mostly in the 70s, but a few of these small schools each had one mid-80s guy. On his local summer team (Legion), pitchers from the largest high schools generally threw upper 70s to low 80s, with a few around 85-87. He also played in a Fall league for college-prospect players, at our local DI, and the pitchers who got significant mound time there ranged from mid-70s to upper 80s (89 was the max I saw, and most of the starters seemed to be low-80s).
My son played for a small private HS where they had a drafted player throw 90 mph in the recent past, but in the 3 years my son pitched for varsity, each year their 3 main starters were in the 75-80 range, with a couple of less-frequently used pitchers in the 70-75 range. Other schools in their conference also had pitchers mostly in the 70s, but a few of these small schools each had one mid-80s guy. On his local summer team (Legion), pitchers from the largest high schools generally threw upper 70s to low 80s, with a few around 85-87. He also played in a Fall league for college-prospect players, at our local DI, and the pitchers who got significant mound time there ranged from mid-70s to upper 80s (89 was the max I saw, and most of the starters seemed to be low-80s).
PG,
Assuming that he's 13 1/2, I'd project him to end up about 6'3" and cruising about 86 or 87 by the time he finishes HS. He fits right on the height vs age vs velocity curves from the HSBBWEB inputs database. Of course if I had the birth months on all those kids you've listed and put in those velocities less about 3 mph then the curves would drop a bit lower because those kids are pretty tall.
Assuming that he's 13 1/2, I'd project him to end up about 6'3" and cruising about 86 or 87 by the time he finishes HS. He fits right on the height vs age vs velocity curves from the HSBBWEB inputs database. Of course if I had the birth months on all those kids you've listed and put in those velocities less about 3 mph then the curves would drop a bit lower because those kids are pretty tall.
Our HS team has two kids that throw 86-90, another that's in the mid-80's (all three are Juniors), 2-3 kids that throw high 70's, occasional cross into low 80's. At least for the teams we've played this year in Orange County, this appears to be pretty typical for many Varsity rotations for the .500+ teams in league play in our area ... 1-2 guys that can really bring it, maybe another kid with decent low-to-mid 80s velocity, then several others that have average or worse velocity.
That's interesting stuff!
At my son's high school, the #1 pitcher is a four-year varsity player, two time all-state, and a "Collegiate All-American." His high-school record is 23-0. Last week-end he pitched and touched 88 MPH in a complete game (9-1 victory). He looked to be "cruising" at about 82-83 MPH.
The #2 pitcher is really intriguing...5'8" and 125 lbs in his junior year....last game he started (went 6 2/3 innings) he touched 84 MPH, "cruised" at around 80-81 MPH, and looked very smooth/relaxed doing it!!! Amazing!!
At my son's high school, the #1 pitcher is a four-year varsity player, two time all-state, and a "Collegiate All-American." His high-school record is 23-0. Last week-end he pitched and touched 88 MPH in a complete game (9-1 victory). He looked to be "cruising" at about 82-83 MPH.
The #2 pitcher is really intriguing...5'8" and 125 lbs in his junior year....last game he started (went 6 2/3 innings) he touched 84 MPH, "cruised" at around 80-81 MPH, and looked very smooth/relaxed doing it!!! Amazing!!
The strangest thing I've see so far this year is that we just played our 2nd league game against Laguna Hills ... that has a closer that's a submariner.
You just don't see that too often in HS.
You just don't see that too often in HS.
I think that any speed readings posted here should be accompanied by details as to how the speed was measured. eg, what type of gun
There are still a few coaches who claim they can measure speed accurately with their Timex wrist watch.
There are still a few coaches who claim they can measure speed accurately with their Timex wrist watch.
Which brings me to wonder what good does it to know what the "average" speed is.
The benches are full of average players.
The benches are full of average players.
11-14 year old pitchers universally want to know how fast they will need to throw to fit in at various HS levels, whether from the bench or as a starter.
Also, young batters surely want to know what speed pitching they'll be facing.
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One of the worst nightmares of every aspiring pitcher is that his gimpy fastball will look silly next to the other kids at tryouts. The reality is that not every effective pitcher is fast, and plenty of the fastest will never start.
This subject means nothing to coaches, but it's of vital importance to junior high kids and their parents.
Also, young batters surely want to know what speed pitching they'll be facing.
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One of the worst nightmares of every aspiring pitcher is that his gimpy fastball will look silly next to the other kids at tryouts. The reality is that not every effective pitcher is fast, and plenty of the fastest will never start.
This subject means nothing to coaches, but it's of vital importance to junior high kids and their parents.
The speeds I'm quoting were from our HS team's Jugs gun ... the first few home games of the season they had it rigged stationary behind the backstop and hooked up to a large 16"x16" digital screen that showed a continuous readout that you could see from the home stands and dugout. They don't use it much now ... I think the coaches just used it early on to get a read on their pitchers as the were trying to figure out the rotation.
And I agree with micdsguy ... I know our coaches first want the pitchers to be able to hit their spots and have the confidence to throw all their pitches for strikes in any count ... then if they can also throw with some real velocity, that's a real bonus. When kids gut it out to throw 100% gas and maybe strike out a lot of batters, they often allow a lot of baserunners via BB or HBP as well because they can't consistently hit their spots ... then the occasional single or double turns into an ER instead of a lone bases-empty hit that doesn't produce anything. Dial it back a few MPH to hit spots consistently and a kid will be more sucessful.
And I agree with micdsguy ... I know our coaches first want the pitchers to be able to hit their spots and have the confidence to throw all their pitches for strikes in any count ... then if they can also throw with some real velocity, that's a real bonus. When kids gut it out to throw 100% gas and maybe strike out a lot of batters, they often allow a lot of baserunners via BB or HBP as well because they can't consistently hit their spots ... then the occasional single or double turns into an ER instead of a lone bases-empty hit that doesn't produce anything. Dial it back a few MPH to hit spots consistently and a kid will be more sucessful.
pbone,
I think Hart, the team theat beat Chatsworth, has a submariner also. I don't have gun readings but I believe our school's ace throws mid to high 80's and has hit 90. I think the next couple throw low 80s. They're using a 6' 170lb 14yo freshman at times and I'd guess he's throwing mid to high 70s but I have never seen him throw. I'll have to ask next time I see his dad. The league as whole is very pitching strong this year.
I think Hart, the team theat beat Chatsworth, has a submariner also. I don't have gun readings but I believe our school's ace throws mid to high 80's and has hit 90. I think the next couple throw low 80s. They're using a 6' 170lb 14yo freshman at times and I'd guess he's throwing mid to high 70s but I have never seen him throw. I'll have to ask next time I see his dad. The league as whole is very pitching strong this year.
The speeds I quoted above were taken on a Stalker according to my son, who was the one who was actually using the gun during the #1 pitcher's last game pitched.
My son's pitching coach has always told him
"Don't worry how fast, worry about hitting your spots. It doesn't really matter how fast you are throwing if, it is not a strike"
Great advice.
"Don't worry how fast, worry about hitting your spots. It doesn't really matter how fast you are throwing if, it is not a strike"
Great advice.
sox fan
I too think that is great advice, especially the worry about how fast part… EXCEPT....
I firmly believe it’s in the best interest at some point to DO something about it. Or at least hope something natural takes place to improve or increase velocity.
It is unrealistic for young high school pitchers to think just hitting spots by itself will get them to the promised land.
Control, Movement, Velocity, deception are all needed to some degree in order to reach the top. And it's important in more than just the fastball.
Other than with knuckle ballers, velocity is important. It does not mean the hardest throwers are the best pitchers, it means the hardest throwers have the best chance to be the best pitchers! This is so obvious every year in the MLB draft. Just look at the scouting reports on pitchers who are selected early in the draft.
Whether I agree or disagree I have no problem with people who think Control is #1. Have a problem with those who think that control is everything.
My suggestion to all young pitchers... develop the fastball! It’s the #1 pitch! Develop the control, movement and velocity. And remember, there’s a very good reason it is named a “fast"ball.
quote:My son's pitching coach has always told him
"Don't worry how fast, worry about hitting your spots. It doesn't really matter how fast you are throwing if, it is not a strike"
Great advice.
I too think that is great advice, especially the worry about how fast part… EXCEPT....
I firmly believe it’s in the best interest at some point to DO something about it. Or at least hope something natural takes place to improve or increase velocity.
It is unrealistic for young high school pitchers to think just hitting spots by itself will get them to the promised land.
Control, Movement, Velocity, deception are all needed to some degree in order to reach the top. And it's important in more than just the fastball.
Other than with knuckle ballers, velocity is important. It does not mean the hardest throwers are the best pitchers, it means the hardest throwers have the best chance to be the best pitchers! This is so obvious every year in the MLB draft. Just look at the scouting reports on pitchers who are selected early in the draft.
Whether I agree or disagree I have no problem with people who think Control is #1. Have a problem with those who think that control is everything.
My suggestion to all young pitchers... develop the fastball! It’s the #1 pitch! Develop the control, movement and velocity. And remember, there’s a very good reason it is named a “fast"ball.
quote:My suggestion to all young pitchers... develop the fastball! It’s the #1 pitch! Develop the control, movement and velocity. And remember, there’s a very good reason it is named a “fast"ball
We can't forget to try and teach the mental aspects of being a good moundsman. I've been trying to get my son (14) to take a more aggressive and spit-in-your-eye attitiude on the mound. When he gets mad at me (catcher) he can really bring it and they are very accurate. But when he's just happy-go-lucky out there, his focus is more diffused and the results aren't as solid. And lest someone respond with, "that's horrible, let the boy have fun!", he does immediately realize how fun it is to hit his spots with audible velocity (the 'whir' factor). We need to try and teach the 'whole' pitcher, and as we all know, 'ninety-percent of this game is half mental' (apologies to Yogi).
As most people have been mentioning... Average is a VAGUE number.... We saw quotes of Show case results....
But I question how many of those 350 are really pitchers... or just wantabes....
Also is was mentioned the area of the country has a lot to do with it. Since I live in San Diego I will attest to that and can speak for this area. Most HS here have staffs of 5 maybe 6 pitchers with typically only 3 starters... So I typically think of just the starting Pitchers....
There are very few varsity Starting pitchers (if any)in this area who cannot hit low to mid 80s.... With typically several hitting 90 and better and usually one or two hitting 95.
A pitcher throwing low 80s (that's the happy zone for a lot of hitters) typically doesn't fare too well here, unless he can switch speeds and has REAL GOOD control. There are a some who do pull this off. (a high 80s guy can get away with less control) And there are a couple that throw high 70s with control that are at times MORE effective for the first time (or perhaps 2) thru a lineup... But all of these are countered by the 90+ guys. The great majority throw mid 80s.
So if you asked me I would tell you Average
TOP speed for HS would be mid 80s..... (84-87) because that is what I witness in my area...
Cruising speed may be a couple MPH less (82-85) because typically the HIGH end guys 90+ will cruise in high 80s and heat it up with the 90+ as needed, but the mid 80s guys tend to hover near their top speed for a FB, because they have to.....
quote:12 @ 91 to 94
39 @ 87 to 90
46 @ 84 to 86
55 @ 81 to 83
350+ @ 80 or less.
But I question how many of those 350 are really pitchers... or just wantabes....
Also is was mentioned the area of the country has a lot to do with it. Since I live in San Diego I will attest to that and can speak for this area. Most HS here have staffs of 5 maybe 6 pitchers with typically only 3 starters... So I typically think of just the starting Pitchers....
There are very few varsity Starting pitchers (if any)in this area who cannot hit low to mid 80s.... With typically several hitting 90 and better and usually one or two hitting 95.
A pitcher throwing low 80s (that's the happy zone for a lot of hitters) typically doesn't fare too well here, unless he can switch speeds and has REAL GOOD control. There are a some who do pull this off. (a high 80s guy can get away with less control) And there are a couple that throw high 70s with control that are at times MORE effective for the first time (or perhaps 2) thru a lineup... But all of these are countered by the 90+ guys. The great majority throw mid 80s.
So if you asked me I would tell you Average
TOP speed for HS would be mid 80s..... (84-87) because that is what I witness in my area...
Cruising speed may be a couple MPH less (82-85) because typically the HIGH end guys 90+ will cruise in high 80s and heat it up with the 90+ as needed, but the mid 80s guys tend to hover near their top speed for a FB, because they have to.....
Its been a while SDBB. Hope all is well.
ill have to agree with SDBB the average speed here is around mid 80's with many pithcers above that. our top two pitchers r hittin 90's which most school around here have pitchers that can do that. I have also seen a freshman hit 92 on a gun. so average is really hard to determine i would say.
Hey guys I attended the 15U showcase PGstaff was talking about. I'm Riley Waters, i topped out at 72mph on the mound. Do you guys think I would be JV material for a small town like Albia, Iowa.
I'm one of those bigger iowa boys I guess you could say at 6' 155lbs.
I gotta wonder how old some of those California speedsters are: Lots of divorce, broken homes, kids held back to learn English, birth records left behind in the old country, etc
At 9th grade, one year can equal 6 mph.
At 9th grade, one year can equal 6 mph.
me2,
Where abouts in Tennessee are you?
If your top two are throwing in the 90s and with most schools around there having pitchers who can also do that... We need to know where you're at!
We do know there's some real good arms in Tennessee, but I guess we just did not know there were 90+ guys at most high schools in your state or anywhere else in the country.
Thanks
Where abouts in Tennessee are you?
If your top two are throwing in the 90s and with most schools around there having pitchers who can also do that... We need to know where you're at!
We do know there's some real good arms in Tennessee, but I guess we just did not know there were 90+ guys at most high schools in your state or anywhere else in the country.
Thanks
Maybe the gun was upside down? That would make it 60+ which is much more salable.
PG...I wouldn't get in the Van yet...
they both dont consistently throw 90 but they have both hit it b4 is more wat i meant. and most school around here prob dont have that but they are in the mid to upper 80's. yea im sure the gun wasnt upside down either its for sure. and yes there is a freshman that really throw harder than both of them. but the two guys i was referin to probably r more consistently in the upper 80's. so im sry if u took it the wron way but we do have some strong arms around here.
Must have been in kilometers p/h
me2, don't take it personally. There are just grains of salt lying all over the place around here because we've basically heard, over the years, that most kids all across America are throwing 88+ these days........