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"What will top coaches think of a player whose mother is so outwardly domineering, not to mention that prospect's willingness to blindly follow her lead over his own coach's action? ... The question now is whether her overbearing style of advice will scare colleges away from her talented son."
How embarrassing and sad.
I can't speak for basketball; but, I've seen talented, deserving baseball players passed over because the college coaches observing them had no interest in signing up for 3-4 years of having that sort of parent in their ears...and, I've seen it on multiple occasions. How sad for their sons.
There are simply too many talented players out there whose parents understand that by the time their son gets to college, virtually everything's between the player and the coach. The vast majority of college coaches won't tolerate interference from parents; no matter how talented their son.
How embarrassing and sad.
I can't speak for basketball; but, I've seen talented, deserving baseball players passed over because the college coaches observing them had no interest in signing up for 3-4 years of having that sort of parent in their ears...and, I've seen it on multiple occasions. How sad for their sons.
There are simply too many talented players out there whose parents understand that by the time their son gets to college, virtually everything's between the player and the coach. The vast majority of college coaches won't tolerate interference from parents; no matter how talented their son.
Prep did u watch that kid play? She'll probably be the next recruiting coordinator/asst. coach at ____ U. 
I figured this is a story of interest from a sports parents standpoint even without being baseball.
Looking at it from a basketball standpoint, the kid is a top prospect stud. He's a potential one and done to the NBA. I'll bet there are college coaches now thinking mom isn't worth dealing with, along with the kid's lack of maturity for just one year. Also, she probably cost the kid NBA bonus money in two years. What NBA coach and GM wants to deal with the situation?
The moral of the story: Regardless of the sport don't be a deteriment to your son's future being acting out.
Looking at it from a basketball standpoint, the kid is a top prospect stud. He's a potential one and done to the NBA. I'll bet there are college coaches now thinking mom isn't worth dealing with, along with the kid's lack of maturity for just one year. Also, she probably cost the kid NBA bonus money in two years. What NBA coach and GM wants to deal with the situation?
The moral of the story: Regardless of the sport don't be a deteriment to your son's future being acting out.
If the kid is that good, it won't hurt him any. Scouts and coaches will want him. The only thing that'll come out of it is maybe a little embarrassment to the kid. If coaches put up with troublemaker players with big time talent, they'll certainly take a talented player with an over-the-top parent.
However, seeing a parent pull a kid like that from a game, that's a first.
However, seeing a parent pull a kid like that from a game, that's a first.
coaching today and dealing with parents? Some coaches complain? well in this case the coach moght have a point.
Just a question but would this story be getting so much interest if it were a father? We all watch over bearing dads nearly at every sporting event. If you read the article, this woman knows basketball and her son played better afterwards. Perhaps she is more qualified and has more to offer then the AAU coach?
Now, none of that over rides the fact that she ISN"T the coach and no matter who he or she is you have no business behaving like but back to my point, side line fathers constantly coach their kids all the time and you don't think coaches notice that? I'd take my gamble on a woman who has been coached at the highest levels rather then a parent of either gender who is living a life he never had through his son. One will be able to let go when they believe their son has the right coaching I bet, while the other is completely unprepared to let go.
Now, none of that over rides the fact that she ISN"T the coach and no matter who he or she is you have no business behaving like but back to my point, side line fathers constantly coach their kids all the time and you don't think coaches notice that? I'd take my gamble on a woman who has been coached at the highest levels rather then a parent of either gender who is living a life he never had through his son. One will be able to let go when they believe their son has the right coaching I bet, while the other is completely unprepared to let go.
Not saying it was right, because I think it wasn't, but LeBron's mom is quite vocal and active in her son's life on the court...to the point where there have been instances where they've had encounters during an NBA game.
This speaks volumes to me about the control the AAU coach has of his team. As a coach, at any level, I would NEVER allow anything close to this happen with my team. I find it sad that a person who is supposedly qualified to coach this team lets this happen.
This speaks volumes to me about the control the AAU coach has of his team. As a coach, at any level, I would NEVER allow anything close to this happen with my team. I find it sad that a person who is supposedly qualified to coach this team lets this happen.
It is all about winning. If the coaches think he can help them win, it doesn't matter at all.
At least they know the kid can be told what to do. If he obeys his Mom like that, he will do what the coach says!
At least they know the kid can be told what to do. If he obeys his Mom like that, he will do what the coach says!
Here's the problem:
There are more baseball parents out there who think their stud son is very special than there are players who are special enough for many coaches to choose to put up with their parents. As a result, parents need to think twice before they try to bend the ear of recruiters; doing their darnedest to make coaches believe they can't do without their stud sons.
There are very few recruits who are considered indispensable because the pool of good players whose parents aren't expected to be a constant pain in the backside is very large. Because of this, I've seen a number of good players passed over by schools that, otherwise, would have recruited them hard. The parents' behavior was simply too great a red flag for them, and there were too many acceptable players who could also help them win.
There are exceptions to every generalization; but, since we're speaking to a large pool of parents here, I figured it was better to generalize than to try to think up exceptions.
(My comments have nothing to do with basketball recruiting. I'm told it's very different; but, I've never lived it like I have baseball recruiting.)
There are more baseball parents out there who think their stud son is very special than there are players who are special enough for many coaches to choose to put up with their parents. As a result, parents need to think twice before they try to bend the ear of recruiters; doing their darnedest to make coaches believe they can't do without their stud sons.
There are very few recruits who are considered indispensable because the pool of good players whose parents aren't expected to be a constant pain in the backside is very large. Because of this, I've seen a number of good players passed over by schools that, otherwise, would have recruited them hard. The parents' behavior was simply too great a red flag for them, and there were too many acceptable players who could also help them win.
There are exceptions to every generalization; but, since we're speaking to a large pool of parents here, I figured it was better to generalize than to try to think up exceptions.
(My comments have nothing to do with basketball recruiting. I'm told it's very different; but, I've never lived it like I have baseball recruiting.)
Nice post Prepster.
In a travel game a mother came into the dugout to complain what position her son was playing. She accused me of lying to her son. In a conversation with her son the previous week I told him I would try to get him in at a certain position. I emphasized there wasn't a guarantee.quote:Originally posted by J H:
Not saying it was right, because I think it wasn't, but LeBron's mom is quite vocal and active in her son's life on the court...to the point where there have been instances where they've had encounters during an NBA game.
This speaks volumes to me about the control the AAU coach has of his team. As a coach, at any level, I would NEVER allow anything close to this happen with my team. I find it sad that a person who is supposedly qualified to coach this team lets this happen.
I told the mother to get out of the dugout immediately or I would pull her son from the field. After the game I told the mother I wanted to talk with her at the next practice. I'm a big believer in the 24 hour cool off. I was ticked too. She didn't want to wait. She caused a huge scene after the game. She threatened to pull her son off the team. You should have seen the look on her face when I told her to do what she feels she needs to do. I think I was supposed to beg and promise to play the kid where he wanted.
If you lose control to one parent you lose control of your team. You lose the respect of the other players and their parents. Bottom line: You lose.
No one player is above the game. Some coaches don't get it and allow a tremendous talent to bring down the program with his (and parents) attitude.
I told my son there are thousands of other high school stars in the recruiting process with the same ability. I told him the way he will differentiate himself will be how he carries himself from the time he gets out of the bus/car and how I make myself invisible unless someone wants to talk to me. A parent can help manage the process without being visible.quote:Originally posted by Prepster:
Here's the problem:
There are more baseball parents out there who think their stud son is very special than there are players who are special enough for many coaches to choose to put up with their parents. As a result, parents need to think twice before they try to bend the ear of recruiters; doing their darnedest to make coaches believe they can't do without their stud sons.
There are very few recruits who are considered indispensable because the pool of good players whose parents aren't expected to be a constant pain in the backside is very large. Because of this, I've seen a number of good players passed over by schools that, otherwise, would have recruited them hard. The parents' behavior was simply too great a red flag for them, and there were too many acceptable players who could also help them win.
There are exceptions to every generalization; but, since we're speaking to a large pool of parents here, I figured it was better to generalize than to try to think up exceptions.
(My comments have nothing to do with basketball recruiting. I'm told it's very different; but, I've never lived it like I have baseball recruiting.)
quote:I told my son there are thousands of other high school stars in the recruiting process with the same ability. I told him the way he will differentiate himself will be how he carries himself from the time he gets out of the bus/car and how I make myself invisible unless someone wants to talk to me. A parent can't help manage the process without being visible.
RJM,
Well said.
Work on your mental part of the game. Much over looked at most levels.
I tell my son he is the best player on the planet and go out there and show everyone what you've got. Confidence is everything in baseball. Why go out and try to be good when great is attainable? And I don't mean anything by it RJM. Not trying to start anything.
DM,
What do you tell him after HS when the pond is smaller, all the fish are bigger, he is away from home in college or Milb and might be finding baseball can humble everyone who plays it.
Just curious about your plan if your son finds out what baseball teaches almost everyone who plays it as they move up each level.
What do you tell him after HS when the pond is smaller, all the fish are bigger, he is away from home in college or Milb and might be finding baseball can humble everyone who plays it.
Just curious about your plan if your son finds out what baseball teaches almost everyone who plays it as they move up each level.
Same dang thing. Somebody has to be the best and it might as well be you. Why prepare to fail?
I've never had to tell my son how good he is. He believes in his ability. His responsibility to himself and his team is to take the field and give the best effort he has every day. Any player can be the best player on a given day. On another day he can get humbled.
There's a lot of competition for quality roster spots in college. I believe to tell a kid he's the best is blowing smoke up his tail. It may be setting him up for false confidence. To tell a kid there's fierce competition for rosters spots is real. Baseball can be a very humbling game when a player gets full of himself.
There's a lot of competition for quality roster spots in college. I believe to tell a kid he's the best is blowing smoke up his tail. It may be setting him up for false confidence. To tell a kid there's fierce competition for rosters spots is real. Baseball can be a very humbling game when a player gets full of himself.
There is no reason you can not do both.
I told my son every Monday, "those trash cans better be off the curb when I get home or I will drag you off the field in front of your team."