BALL HITS PLATE

I have a dropped 3rd strike.

If the field umps are in the A & D position, then the plate ump has the ball up to the grass cut-out or the base, depending on the field and what you determine in the pre-game with your partners. Everything else is the field umps.

If either field ump is in, then the plate ump has the entire line.

Pirate fan nailed both calls.. agreed 100%

first question- Third strike not caught...


second question- depending on where the field umpires where. If the 1st base umpire is in "A" (which is in foulf territory, just behind first base...then the Plate Umpire has up to the bag or cutout, the base umpire then has beyond..

its a drop third strike but it went out of play when it went over the backstop(fence) does he get first? from what i was told by the league president is that all runners get one base?

yes, he gets first......third strike not caught, ball out of play...batter could not be put out....

I DONT KNOW BUT BOY WHAT A GOOD QUESTION THAT WAS

when i do mens league i swear i dont encounter these odd situations as i do when i do little league everyday i have something new i know i have another odd one but i cant remember it

Alright, I've got one kind of similar..

Batter hits the ball down around homeplate. I'm catching and I grab the ball directly above homeplate. I'm pretty sure the ball hit the plate and nothing else, but not positive. Foul or Fair ball? And why?

Homeplate is in fair territory, correct? Also, it's where the ball is, not where the fielder is, isn't it?

Yes the plate is fair. Yes, it's where the ball is. What was the call? The umpire should have ruled fair of foul depending on where the ball, not you, were when you caught it.
The fact it hit the plate first has no bearing on fair or foul. If it hits behind home plate and you catch it over fair territory it's still fair.

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Originally posted by Cougar235:
its a drop third strike but it went out of play when it went over the backstop(fence) does he get first? from what i was told by the league president is that all runners get one base?

When a pitch or throw by the pitcher, from the rubber goes out of play, all runners get one base, and because there was a play on the BR (dropped third strike) with two outs, he gets his too. Now, what if less than 2 outs, would you still send BR to 1st?

He called it a foul ball. He was very adamant about it when it happened, but I had him convinced that he missed that one by the end of the inning

There's a reason why the plate is pointed at its back. That point represents the intersection of the foul lines. Thus, the entire plate is in fair territory.

This seems obvious but I'm amazed at how many people don't realize it.

I'm with you Midlo Dad, and those two rules seem to be screwed up a lot. In the dugout after the inning, I had everyone telling me two things. First, that if it hits homeplate it's a foul ball. And, second, that the location of the fielder matters, not the ball. I was pretty sure that both of those were wrong.

Bulldog....as you know, both those statements were wrong....good job on knowing the difference!!....

the plate is fair.....and its always the position of the ball, not the fielder......

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When a pitch or throw by the pitcher, from the rubber goes out of play, all runners get one base, and because there was a play on the BR (dropped third strike) with two outs, he gets his too. Now, what if less than 2 outs, would you still send BR to 1st?

jjk,
In the original post 1st base was occupied. If there were less than two outs the batter would be out even if the pitch went out of play although the runners at 1st and 2nd would be awarded one base each.

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Originally posted by pilsner:

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When a pitch or throw by the pitcher, from the rubber goes out of play, all runners get one base, and because there was a play on the BR (dropped third strike) with two outs, he gets his too. Now, what if less than 2 outs, would you still send BR to 1st?

jjk,
In the original post 1st base was occupied. If there were less than two outs the batter would be out even if the pitch went out of play although the runners at 1st and 2nd would be awarded one base each.

Concur, just threw it out there.

In the same situation, the 1st scenario... what about the other baserunners? Do they get 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Or is there a 2-base rule? Assuming they weren't in lala land, its a full count two outs they're off on the pitch, does that make a difference in the umpire's decision as to which base(s) they're awarded?

It makes no difference. The award (one base) is from the base occupied at the time of the pitch.

no wrong answers that I can see - less than 2 outs, man on 1st, batter takes a seat, 2 outs - he gets 1st...regardless of # of outs, everybody else gets one base, regardless of the count [i.e. doesn't depend on it being a missed 3rd strike - just a pitch that went out of play - liek a ball in the dirt that hits catchers shin guards then rolls thru the hole in the fence that the batters walk thru to hit, or it rolls into the dugout. Count doesn't matter for the runners, count and number of outs matter to the batter