Barry Bonds countdown

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You need to sleep in the bed you make.

I watched the HBO interview with Gary Sheffield,and his responses on steroid use, in absolute and utter amazement.

Amongst other points these are some that I heard:
I am my own man and am extremely strong in controlling what I do and what happens with me.
Barry Bonds controlled me.
I never used steroids.
I used the clear that you put under your tongue and the cream you rub into your legs.
Barry Bonds controlled me.
I have never used steroids because everyone knows that steroids are something you inject into your butt and I never did that. I never used steroids, just the clear under the tongue and the cream rubbed in the legs.

What's that saying? "I never had sexual relations with that woman!"

Where is the outrage over Sheffield's comments? How could Sheffield miss those steroid education classes when MLB provided them?
IMO, either the bed is too messy to begin with or all seats are filled. Sheffield's words, as incredible as they are, may well be reflective of an era that "contaminated" more than will ever be known, and it may not be limited to just players.

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Where is the outrage over Sheffield's comments? How could Sheffield miss those steroid education classes when MLB provided them?
IMO, either the bed is too messy to begin with or all seats are filled. Sheffield's words, as incredible as they are, may well be reflective of an era that "contaminated" more than will ever be known, and it may not be limited to just players.

I was talking with someone the other day who said he believes a few years from now some young reporter(s) will produce a book that lays it all out through (hopefully) thorough and detailed research. The book will likely document the warnings that were brought to the leadership in MLB, to the union, to the players and will likely demonstrate how they all looked the other way. Unfortunately, it will likely not be very flattering to a fair number of people in and around baseball.

I spent some time talking with a former NFL player about this topic and drug testing in professional sports.
He noted how interesting it was that those who were "randomly" tested were the ones who tested negative. The more you tested negative, the more "randomly" you were tested. "Random" testing "rarely" extended beyond those who tested negatively, on a "random" basis of course.

infielddad - I saw the Sheffield interview yesterday and was as baffled as you were.

What really bugged me about him was nothing ever seemed to be his responsibility. The only thing he owned up to was a poor choice in women and then proceeded to blame many of his problems on them. He was called out by Joe Torre on a few occassions. According to him, that was Joe Torre treating black players unfairly. It couldn't possibly have been about Sheffield. When asked about Derek Jeter's treatment by Torre his answer was that he was half white Unbelievably dumb comments regarding steroids and race imho.

Racab, point well taken. I myself am bigger than I was 20 years ago. I'm not sure we'll ever know the extent and impact of steroid use in professional sports.

Yes we are much bigger than we were at 20 years of age. LOL

JBB, don't let pride get in the way of a million dollar ball.
You go for it, get wet.
EH

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Originally posted by theEH:
JBB, don't let pride get in the way of a million dollar ball.
You go for it, get wet.

EH - My friends (one who owns the boat...others who will likely be there too) and I were talking at lunch today. The boatowner (big sailboat) was commenting that if we had a chance to dive in the water for the ball...we shouldn't do it. Should be a frenzy with all those dingys and could be very dangerous.

Still, I think I'm with you...if the ball is there, I'm goin' in I think!

Go in feet first, no head injurys diving in.
Also get a big net and pole, scoop it out.LOL
EH

Also wear bright colors and a Speedo??

Nobody will get next to you with a Speedo on. LOL

Go back and look at early pictures of AROD, CLEMENS etc and see how thin they were

Now this is troublesome.

Barry in a Tube Top?

Smolzty and the rest of my braves staff shouldnt have a problem with barry

I have to disagree with the posters here who believe that you get bigger with age. Before steroids, almost all MLB players who stayed in shape retired at or near their playing weight as a rookie. Hank Aarron himself used to say with humble pride that he was only a couple of pounds heavier when he retired as he was when he broke in. Before steroids, players retired looking very similar to how they looked as rookies. Guys like Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Lou Brock, Ozzie Smith, George Foster, George Brett, Ernie Banks, Kirk Gibson, Ryne Sandberg, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt, Rod Carew, Carlton Fisk, Joe Morgan, and Dave Winfield are just some of the recent HOF'ers who barely changed over the 15 or 20 years they played.

There are countless more who did not make the HOF but remained at or close to their rookie playing weight.

That picture of Bond's in a dress shows just how much his body changed. If he could cut up a little he would be competition ready.

I also don't understand the posters here who support Bonds. From the time I found this site, I was impressed with the advice given to the youngsters who came here looking for guidance and help. Young players coming here get a great moral compass to help them make important decisions when dealing with coaches and scouts. So why are we supporting an obvious drug user and cheat. The idea that players get a pass because MLB looked the other way should be the last position we should take. Who would want their child to say they did something harmful to themselves because their employer ignored it.

I for one refuse to give Bonds, any other steroid using player or MLB a break and let their behavior slide.

I continually inform my son about the side affects of drug use. I am always showing him some article about a steroid user suffering the consequences of his decision to take them.

I have one last question for the posters who insist that steroids don't give you the hand eye coordination to hit a 95mph pitch better than you were able to.

If steroids don't make you better, than why do so many players, despite the health risks involved, take them?

I am still waiting for a player, any player, to say he took steroids and his performance got worse.

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Originally posted by theEH:
Also wear bright colors and a Speedo??

Nobody will get next to you with a Speedo on. LOL

Don't bet on it...you are talking about San Francisco...but you knew that already...right EH?

I'm with you Dear old Dad...good post!

Well said, DOD. I, for one, am in full agreement.

The Bonds fans will go on about how there is no proof, ignoring the evidence of their eyes or that (given MLB turned a blind eye to the drugs for so long) MLB has no interest in exposing any of its "stars".

Of course athletes get bigger with their training; most are clever enough to do that work early, rather than "waiting" until their 30's.

And I do wish we'd have that Highschoolbaseballweb Convention that gets talked about occasionally here. All these posters talking about how they weigh more than they did in their early 20's within a Bonds' discussion, I can only presume that weight took similiar shape to Barry as well.

Well I'm certainly bigger than I was a few decades ago...and I know how I got that way...it didn't involve rubbing cream cheese all over my body. If these are steroids by anyone's account, then I'm as guilty as the bunch of 'em!











In case you're wondering about that scrumptious item above...it's a Nova Sctia Donair...kinda like a gyros.






I swear guys...I don't know how those last two slipped in there...it was truly a random thing...I know it's wrong...I'll never eat them again!

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I have one last question for the posters who insist that steroids don't give you the hand eye coordination to hit a 95mph pitch better than you were able to.

If steroids don't make you better, than why do so many players, despite the health risks involved, take them?

Dear Old Dad - you raised many fine points! Let me tackle this one question and it is my opinion only. I don't believe the improvement is in hand eye coordination per se but it seems obvious to me that steroids can improve performance.

After 100 at bats, the difference between a 250 hitter and a 300 hitter is 5 hits. Over the course of a 600 ab season, that equates to approximately 30 more hits that a star player will get over a mediocre player.

I believe added strength can easily account for the 30 extra hits. Balls that were warning track outs are suddenly leaving the park. Balls that were being run down by outfielders are finding the gaps. Balls normally scooped-up by infielders are being hit hard through the holes. Perhaps the previous year the player was getting certain pitches blown by them and now they are fighting those same pitches off for base hits, rbis, walks, or merely keeping an at bat alive. Yes a player still has to have the ability to time up the pitch and hit it at the right angle. Added strength it seems to me can make a great player greater and a mediocre one better. Anybody remember Brady Anderson hitting 50 homeruns?

The one thing that steroids do, and most people are not aware of it, is that it helps shorten recovery time from day to day

Many do not do it to get bigger and stronger---same with the greenies they help you cope after a long nite at the COPA


By the way HAPPY BIRTHDAY BARRY !!!!

I also agree with DOD.
When I said that I got bigger with time is a kind of joke. I never said I support steroids use. But to judge the roids's era with justice, you have to transport your self to the real situation. Baseball did nothing to stop the roids use among players, the baseball salary was growing like crazy based mainly in performance. If the player at the next locker came the next year with 20 more pounds, and after the season, he got a millionary raise, what are you going to do? If you say, because your moral, you are not going to take it, it is just because you are not a proffesional baseball player. Baseball haven't been a moral sport never in its over 100 year history.
How can you judge the United States procers, because they were racists 200 years ago? Even in that time slavery was wrong and inhuman, but was the way it was until Lincoln signed the abolition bill.
Steroids use was wrong, was a mistake, and its responsability can not fall over the players shoulders only, the best approach it is to take care from now on, because to accuse only the players you suppose did it is a partial justice. You never are going to know all the players that took roids (probably 80-90%) Of course, the record brakers are the only that are target. All the others that transformed they self and suddenly duplicated their performance but never were risk to the records, like: Ron Gant, Dystra, Franco, George Bell, Andrew Jones, Chipper, Galarraga and other thousand that you, me, and nonbody knows how they did it, they are not targeted.
A very famous Spanish writer said in a novel: Sancho we are advancing, the dogs are barking!
My conclusion is that steroids didn't brakes records, the quality of the player still beeing the main reason.

The COPA?

The Celebrities' Center for Overcoming Pill Abuse.

COPACABANA


As in the MARTIN/MANTLE era

Oh...that COPA! The COPACABANA!

The Celebrities' Center for Overcoming Pill Abuse Controlled substances Abuse Banned substances Abuse Narcotic Abuse...COPACABANA!

Good posts folks... I also believe the point about the warning track fly ball becoming a home run and just the general point of stronger faster swing equals a harder hit ball. It's like when you were kids and we played a game, a 9 yr old comes up and everybody scoots in; then the 15 yr old comes up and the ball just jumped off his bat...
I gotta get something to eat after seeing Woody's pictures I am suddenly hungrier than heck.

"This one's for you" skipper...

http://thefuntimesguide.com/audio/Bud_Light_Real_Men_of...Food_Orderer_Guy.mp3

COPACABANA

What a CLASSIC!

Wood.....

In reference to The Celebrities' Center for Overcoming Pill Abuse Controlled substances Abuse Banned substances Abuse Narcotic Abuse; my questions about Groucho Marx have been answered.

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Originally posted by eddiegaedel:
...my questions about Groucho Marx have been answered.

That must be a relief!

Indeed it is, but how do you explain his brothers?

Typical....no Zeppo, no Gummo. They refused the clear and the cream and just didn't have the stats to compete, I guess.

Great line Orlando!

Sorry Orlando...this is as close to finding Zeppo and Gummo as I can manage...

How about the "Gumout Girl?" or, is it "Gumou Girl?"

Yes! How about the Gumout Girl? She tickles my chicle!

Here's a link to barry's stats
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

Before arriving in SF, he never hit 40 homeruns and was about a .290 lifetime hitter- greatest player ever stats.....hardly.

He has ADMITTED to using the Clear and the Cream, (both steroid products) but claims he thought they were linseed oil and a "balm".

Steroids definitely are prescribed to improve if not stabilize vision issues, especially with MS patients. Steroids assist to make you bigger and stronger so the 320' out is now the 350' HR. Certainly the drugs don't affect your swing mechanics, etc. but with the extra strength the out is now a hit (over the fence).

They also assist your recovery time from work out, injury etc. so over 162 games you can stay in peak shape more consistently.

It is fairly well documented that Bonds hat size and shoe size have changed in recent years. Just look at the guy. An adult human being does not change in that fashion absent a very rare disease or from the use of human growth hormone. That aspect of his "change" in appearance is that simple.

barry has been a user, a juicer, whatever you want to call him and I absolutely believe that. He can set all the records in the world, couldn't care less. With or without the records the guy is garbage and in his pirate pre-roid days his stats were no better than teammate Bobby Bonilla for example.

Best player ever.....nonsense.

In a lot of people's eyes he's a real abalmination!

HeyBatter…..

Linseed oil will increase your shoe size. In Barry’s case, he went from a 10 1/2 to 13!

At any rate, here’s a pair of shoes from one “Bozo” to another.

Why do I suddenly have the munchies?

Evidently your memory still works...that's good Orlando!

Did anyone see the recent "Costas Now" episode on HBO? He has chemist Patrick Arnold who invented "The Clear" and most of Balco's best roids. He has done his time and is now working on legal performance enhancers.

I would believe him over anyone about the effects of roids.. He states, that they can improve your vision, hand / eye coordination as well as reaction time and strength...

Just a note for those who think it is only a strength issue!