Baseball in 15 - 2O years.

Trust In Him posted:

Golfman25 posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

I think that high school showcase baseball is about to take a pretty severe hit.  Here's why.  

More and more, state high school athletic associations are allowing sports/teams/coaches to do things in the off-season.  In GA teams can practice in June and play games.   A coach is foolish if he doesn't say to his players, "If you aren't clear D1, and maybe even draft-worthy, material, you don't need to be bothering with showcase baseball. You are throwing money away on uniforms, and administrative costs, and get zero training.  You will show up with 25 other guys on your team and play for a college kid looking to make a little side money.  Chances are that a recruiter will never even come out and see anyone on your team play.  

As a team we will practice together in the summer, then as a team we will enter and play in the same tournaments.  You will be seen by the same people.  We will wear our high school uniforms and you won't be paying a bunch of administrative and "recruiting" costs.  I have connections in the coaching world.  I can get you seen- if you deserve it.  I will be coaching you and training you in the summer.  So, you will actually be improving during that time - a big plus.  If you want to play showcase baseball afterwards, I will help you get on a team; it's your money."

A coach that gives up this opportunity to work with his team during the summer instead of farming them out to showcase baseball will probably not be making the best decision from a personal career perspective.

As for kiddie travel ball.  The present generation knows enough now to train their own kid in the skills to succeed.  They don't need some guy who himself couldn't make it and now trains kids at a warehouse or the latest internet know it all, or some guy with a belt or a balance board or a stick that makes a noise when you swing correctly or super secret olympic lifting program in order to teach their sons how to play.

Will the next generation continue the self-centered child worshipping practices of their parents?  That will be the big x-factor.

That is essentially what is happening in my area.  The real studs go off for the summer.  The rest of the team stays home and plays with their "HS" team.  They have to change the uniform, hat, and name, but that is about it.  Then the problem becomes whether you HS coaching staff is any good.  Some are and some, unfortunately, aren't. 

IMO, hs teachers and coaches are vastly underpaid.  Many will use their own money and resources to teach and coach.  Some love working with kids, teaching and coaching, some have other reasons.  Either way I believe you pay them what they are worth and that will bring better competition for the job.  Students win with better education, better qualified coaches will be available, etc.  Now the only question is how to generate more money for the schools and being used appropriately!

Well in my area hs teachers are some of the top earners in the community.  So I guess that makes me underpaid.    it's not a get rich job.  

Trust In Him posted:

Golfman25 posted:

 

That is essentially what is happening in my area.  The real studs go off for the summer.  The rest of the team stays home and plays with their "HS" team.  They have to change the uniform, hat, and name, but that is about it.  Then the problem becomes whether you HS coaching staff is any good.  Some are and some, unfortunately, aren't. 

IMO, hs teachers and coaches are vastly underpaid.  Many will use their own money and resources to teach and coach.  Some love working with kids, teaching and coaching, some have other reasons.  Either way I believe you pay them what they are worth and that will bring better competition for the job.  Students win with better education, better qualified coaches will be available, etc.  Now the only question is how to generate more money for the schools and being used appropriately!

In our area HS baseball will die completely before the travel circuit slows down. The season is short the coaching is average and I am probably being kind there, the district has real concern about success on the field. I think the important thing for the administration is lets not suck...

Our district as of 2016 2 full years ago - spends $17,522.00 per student per year which leads to a total budget $119,350,00.00 and has starting salary of 46k with a cap of 99k, plus an absolutely killer pension....it may not be a get rich plan but it is a solid living and certainly not just scraping by.

17.5k and totals of 119m per year IMO is spending plenty of money on education.

I would like to see a league started at lake point for just the truly advanced player like an 8 team league. This would benefit the advanced player by playing against other advanced players as well as the high school coach that it seems most of the time does not want to deal with the advanced player.  It would help the other high school players giving them more opportunity.

You could have a try-out and the roster would and could change year to year.  You could invite RC's and scouts to the games. 

I guess the only problem I see is the advanced player not getting to represent his high school team and play with his teammates but honestly for these players looking at Power5 and pro ball the industry has all but changed their mindset about HS baseball. 

bacdorslider posted:

I would like to see a league started at lake point for just the truly advanced player like an 8 team league. This would benefit the advanced player by playing against other advanced players as well as the high school coach that it seems most of the time does not want to deal with the advanced player.  It would help the other high school players giving them more opportunity.

You could have a try-out and the roster would and could change year to year.  You could invite RC's and scouts to the games. 

I guess the only problem I see is the advanced player not getting to represent his high school team and play with his teammates but honestly for these players looking at Power5 and pro ball the industry has all but changed their mindset about HS baseball. 

In heavily populated areas with widespread recruiting by private high schools, this has kind of already happened.   There's a six-team private school league in SoCal that at any given moment has about 50 D1 commits . . . Might be similar in some areas in Florida.

old_school posted:

Trust In Him posted:

Golfman25 posted:

 

That is essentially what is happening in my area.  The real studs go off for the summer.  The rest of the team stays home and plays with their "HS" team.  They have to change the uniform, hat, and name, but that is about it.  Then the problem becomes whether you HS coaching staff is any good.  Some are and some, unfortunately, aren't. 

IMO, hs teachers and coaches are vastly underpaid.  Many will use their own money and resources to teach and coach.  Some love working with kids, teaching and coaching, some have other reasons.  Either way I believe you pay them what they are worth and that will bring better competition for the job.  Students win with better education, better qualified coaches will be available, etc.  Now the only question is how to generate more money for the schools and being used appropriately!

In our area HS baseball will die completely before the travel circuit slows down. The season is short the coaching is average and I am probably being kind there, the district has real concern about success on the field. I think the important thing for the administration is lets not suck...

Our district as of 2016 2 full years ago - spends $17,522.00 per student per year which leads to a total budget $119,350,00.00 and has starting salary of 46k with a cap of 99k, plus an absolutely killer pension....it may not be a get rich plan but it is a solid living and certainly not just scraping by.

17.5k and totals of 119m per year IMO is spending plenty of money on education.

Our district is similar. A few years ago they went on strike over the request they pay $10 per month for benefits. They caved when they realized they weren’t getting any sympathy from the community and how pissed parents were at how the strike over $10 was inconviencing day to day life.