As for the cox catching staff... I heard that Ray Plymette might be returning. If so what will the outcome be ?
Unfortunately, Ray is out of baseball. He has an illness that forced him to step away from baseball. It's non-lifethreatening.
I hope he will be able to continue with baseball eventually . Ray was a hard working player , who had talent .
Is there any word about the middle infield for Kellam.
what about green run or bayside?? never hear about these teams...
Green Run Has A power hitting David Dean. He is a difficult out as well as a true sportsman to the game.
Bayside hase Tommy Kainewho had an impressive showcase season, Casey King developed power to the opposite field solid glove in the infield, Joel justice can be a crafty pitcher on the mound. Hatcher will put together a strong group who will not lay down. I heard Tommy threw a 1.85 at liberty this fall not once but twice, backside to pick a man off second. and he hit 90 on the gun closing. no junk just straight fast ball
Bayside hase Tommy Kainewho had an impressive showcase season, Casey King developed power to the opposite field solid glove in the infield, Joel justice can be a crafty pitcher on the mound. Hatcher will put together a strong group who will not lay down. I heard Tommy threw a 1.85 at liberty this fall not once but twice, backside to pick a man off second. and he hit 90 on the gun closing. no junk just straight fast ball
I would have to agree with your prediction but I think you will be surprised by a couple of teams in the middle. There is a very strong Freshman class that could help out alot down the stretch. I know they are freshman but I do believe they will make a difference, One throws in the low 80's now and the other young man has all kinds of pitches and a great pickoff move that I would put in the top 5 in the beach.
The kid that transfered in from New York thats @ COX everyone is right he will be a big help for that team that doesn't have all the experience they have had in the past.
The kid that transfered in from New York thats @ COX everyone is right he will be a big help for that team that doesn't have all the experience they have had in the past.
i have some teams at 12 district games and some at 11 games.i can't remember how it works.
bball fever, I don't know who timed tommy kaine, but i've seen him play multiple times this summer and he is right around 2.0. Also I saw him pitch last year during the school season, and he was around 82-85 with just junk and hardly a fastball
My observations in Tommy are the same as birddog's. The only C I have seen in the 1.9 range in this area is Harrington.
Seems to be plenty of opinions about "pop" time. Interesting enough that someone could have a pop time of 1.5, but if it is on the wrong side of the bag, doesn't much matter!
Maybe, it would be better to speak of which catcher threw what player out on an attempted steal. I have seen many "beach" high school games, it is more the "norm" that the throw doesn't even matter.
On a side note, you guys are talking about tenths of seconds, could the difference be operator error?
Give me a kid who has great foot work and can place it perfectly any day! Unless you guys are just interested in how hard the kid throws and not the results from the throw!
Lynn Metheny (just a mailman's opinion)
Maybe, it would be better to speak of which catcher threw what player out on an attempted steal. I have seen many "beach" high school games, it is more the "norm" that the throw doesn't even matter.
On a side note, you guys are talking about tenths of seconds, could the difference be operator error?
Give me a kid who has great foot work and can place it perfectly any day! Unless you guys are just interested in how hard the kid throws and not the results from the throw!
Lynn Metheny (just a mailman's opinion)
quote:Originally posted by redbird5:
My observations in Tommy are the same as birddog's. The only C I have seen in the 1.9 range in this area is Harrington.
I usually add 0.2 of a second to a "reported" pop time. I am sure all of the catchers mentioned throughout this thread are very good HS baseball players and most will have options at the next level. The only soild D1/draftable one I've seen is Harrington. His footwork and ball transfer mechanics are also very good. He also hits to all fields with power and has speed.
I've seen a catcher mentioned in this thread (D Grauer Hickory) throw at 2 events with Harrington and be faster both times with great accuracy. Once at S Carolina and once at a Richmond Braves scout day. Not saying he's the all around player Patrick is, Patrick is truly one of the top players in the nation. Pop times are to dependent on the hand on the watch. You can't really distinuish between a 1.91 at one event and a 1.89 at another. I've seen kids throw a "1.85" at events that I know were no where close to a 2.3, and kids throw 2.3 that I know are faster.
quote:Originally posted by 1943 yankees:
Seems to be plenty of opinions about "pop" time. Interesting enough that someone could have a pop time of 1.5, but if it is on the wrong side of the bag, doesn't much matter!
Maybe, it would be better to speak of which catcher threw what player out on an attempted steal. I have seen many "beach" high school games, it is more the "norm" that the throw doesn't even matter.
On a side note, you guys are talking about tenths of seconds, could the difference be operator error?
Give me a kid who has great foot work and can place it perfectly any day! Unless you guys are just interested in how hard the kid throws and not the results from the throw!
Lynn Metheny (just a mailman's opinion)
I think most of the time, the pop times talked about by guys like Redbird and birddog are going to be on relatively accurate throws. In most situations, a catcher will get several opportunities to throw and you would assume at some point he makes a few accurate throws and those are the pops recorded. Of course, this doesn't really solve the problem if the issue is being inaccurate most of the time. But, I think a lot of the accuracy problems can be fixed, where it might be harder to fix footwork and release problems. Just my opinion
I still have not heard anything about middle infield for Kellam.
That was my piont, but hopefully, Birddog will time your kid, he grades on a curve!!
Baseball Mom, it would probably be easier to just call Coach Jones and ask him. At least that way you won't have a bunch of conjecture from a bunch of parents!
Baseball Mom, it would probably be easier to just call Coach Jones and ask him. At least that way you won't have a bunch of conjecture from a bunch of parents!
quote:Originally posted by 1943 yankees:
That was my piont, but hopefully, Birddog will time your kid, he grades on a curve!!
Baseball Mom, it would probably be easier to just call Coach Jones and ask him. At least that way you won't have a bunch of conjecture from a bunch of parents!
Lynn... that is about the funniest thing I have read in awhile.. I would love to hear the coaches talking about that phone call!!!!
How many beach district games count?
Virginia Beach schools allow a total of 20 contests. I believe the schedule within the district is a total of 16 games. Those would be the only games that "count".
Varsity has 2 scrimmage games allowed and JV has one.
The four other games are usually played during the spring break period.
Anybody that has been around long enough will remember a school playing an "extra" game. That school had to forfeit their last "contest". This allowed the "winning" team a spot in the playoffs and removed another school from their spot.
Varsity has 2 scrimmage games allowed and JV has one.
The four other games are usually played during the spring break period.
Anybody that has been around long enough will remember a school playing an "extra" game. That school had to forfeit their last "contest". This allowed the "winning" team a spot in the playoffs and removed another school from their spot.
Really? When did that happen?
Grasscutter,
I believe the same year you moved across town!
I believe the same year you moved across town!
quote:Originally posted by baseballmom75:
I still have not heard anything about middle infield for Kellam.
Someone will play SS and someone will play 2B.
quote:Originally posted by 1943 yankees:
...On a side note, you guys are talking about tenths of seconds, could the difference be operator error?
Operator error is a good way to put it.
what exactly are the scouts looking for in a catcher?? how important is the pop time anyway?? anyone could have a good pop time on any given day.
Oh yeah. Now I remember. What year did you move '43?
quote:Originally posted by tripleplay3outs:
what exactly are the scouts looking for in a catcher?? how important is the pop time anyway?? anyone could have a good pop time on any given day.
Not true. Not everyone has quick feet, a quick exchange and arm strength.
Everyone is not capable of having a good pop time. Not even once. Some are capable of having a good pop time once in awhile. Some are capable of having a consistent pop time. And some are consistent at throwing outstanding pop times that are accurate.
There are guys that can throw accurate consistent 2.0 or below in game situations. These same guys will usually be in the 1.9s to high 1.8s in showcase situations , consistently.
Now go to enough showcase events and see enough catchers and you will see how rare these guys actually are. And seriously you will see alot more reported than there actually are. Much like the reported radar readings on pitchers.
There are guys that can throw accurate consistent 2.0 or below in game situations. These same guys will usually be in the 1.9s to high 1.8s in showcase situations , consistently.
Now go to enough showcase events and see enough catchers and you will see how rare these guys actually are. And seriously you will see alot more reported than there actually are. Much like the reported radar readings on pitchers.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
...Now go to enough showcase events and see enough catchers and you will see how rare these guys actually are. And seriously you will see alot more reported than there actually are. Much like the reported radar readings on pitchers.
Yep. I completely agree.
Would still love to know which catchers in the beach have thrown which runners out while attempting to steal second.
Grasscutter,
Not sure what you mean, I have lived in the same house since moving to Virginia Beach years ago!
Grasscutter,
Not sure what you mean, I have lived in the same house since moving to Virginia Beach years ago!
Well just remember.....with all this moving you guys do.......I do real estate on the side to help my baseball team....... 
Is doing Real Estate code for recruiting?
Lynn....I don't think so.
And of course, I recruit....just like every other showcase team in the world. With one exception, I'm limited to Virginia.
Just remember, you volunteered to support my efforts next season.
And of course, I recruit....just like every other showcase team in the world. With one exception, I'm limited to Virginia.
Just remember, you volunteered to support my efforts next season.
Finally, someone admits that they recruit!!!
I already did support Lynnhaven Baseball, I put a team in the golf tournament. You wouldn't know that though because nobody from your team supported it!
By the way, I thought that your team was a Lynnhaven Baseball Team, I didn't realize it was a showcase team. Interesting!
I already did support Lynnhaven Baseball, I put a team in the golf tournament. You wouldn't know that though because nobody from your team supported it!
By the way, I thought that your team was a Lynnhaven Baseball Team, I didn't realize it was a showcase team. Interesting!
You love to stir up some trouble don't you.
But I don't have a problem admitting that I recruit the best players in the area......if not, our team, would be just like ever other team in the summer....sitting at home waiting for school to start.......last year, most of our kids took part in up to 49 baseball games. What other program played in 15 games?????? Or even traveled out of this area for a tournament.....we left for times....not bad for a "REC BALL" team.
You show me a program that doesn't recruit and I will show you a program that consistently is at the bottom of their league.
But I don't have a problem admitting that I recruit the best players in the area......if not, our team, would be just like ever other team in the summer....sitting at home waiting for school to start.......last year, most of our kids took part in up to 49 baseball games. What other program played in 15 games?????? Or even traveled out of this area for a tournament.....we left for times....not bad for a "REC BALL" team.
You show me a program that doesn't recruit and I will show you a program that consistently is at the bottom of their league.
Saipanwarrior you don't have to explain anything to anybody. I have seen your teams play and you should be proud of the team that you put on the field. I know that you don't have a kid playing and you are giving your time to help these kids get to the next level year after year. If the league you are playing for doesn't have a problem with the way you run your team than nobody else should either. Keep doing what you are doing because you have been are very successful.
There is not need to be a smart *** red bird. I am sorry if I offended you, it was just a question.
quote:Originally posted by saipanwarrior:
You love to stir up some trouble don't you.
But I don't have a problem admitting that I recruit the best players in the area......if not, our team, would be just like ever other team in the summer....sitting at home waiting for school to start.......last year, most of our kids took part in up to 49 baseball games. What other program played in 15 games?????? Or even traveled out of this area for a tournament.....we left for times....not bad for a "REC BALL" team.
You show me a program that doesn't recruit and I will show you a program that consistently is at the bottom of their league.
Billy, you could also put in there the cost to play all of these games. That might really surprise some folks. Amazing how good a team you put together with what amounts to pocket change in comparison to some of the other teams. Needless to say you do a heckava good job!
I love it. Its only December 31 and we have six pages already on the Beach District's upcoming season (most comments off the subject of course, thanks '43). Even though I no longer have kids in HS, I can't wait for the season to begin. I'll be watching you guys intently.
Grasscutter I agree
quote:Originally posted by baseballmom75:
There is not need to be a smart *** red bird. I am sorry if I offended you, it was just a question.
I am a member of the a$$ family. Just ask Coach Jones.
In case you don't know, Kyle Morrison (frosh) was at SS and JR Wood (Sr) was at 2B this fall for Kellam.