Beach District Week 4 (April 2-7)

Pilot has:
Kellam (14) Tallwood (0)
and
Princess Anne (4) Green Run (0)

Landstown will be a wildcard team for the remainder of the season.

Their pitching staff, if they're "on", can be quite effective. If not, that spells trouble. They've gotten decent results in relief from Faison and Ferrante, though. It's also important to mention that their starters have not had much support from the defense behind them.

The top of their lineup can be as strong as any in the Beach, but the bottom part isn't nearly as strong, and word has already spread on that. That has resulted in a lot of pitching around the top four hitters.

Now that I think about it, I think I just described about half of the Beach teams. :-)

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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
Landstown will be a wildcard team for the remainder of the season.

Their pitching staff, if they're "on", can be quite effective. If not, that spells trouble. They've gotten decent results in relief from Faison and Ferrante, though. It's also important to mention that their starters have not had much support from the defense behind them.

The top of their lineup can be as strong as any in the Beach, but the bottom part isn't nearly as strong, and word has already spread on that. That has resulted in a lot of pitching around the top four hitters.

Now that I think about it, I think I just described about half of the Beach teams. :-)

Looking at the box scores seems to me Landstown pitchers are walking way to many batters, defense has been sketchy, especialy in the outfield and behind the plate but if the pitchers are giving free passes you dont get to blame the 2-3 errors for the runs. I think its a guess on who 2-8 will be, not a single team has really established themselves. FC and Cox are playing great but lets see if they can keep it up. Salem has been a disapointment so far, I thought they would be pushing kellam. I think Bayside is a lot better than record indicates.

Landstown at Kellam rained out yet again.

No makeup date yet.

How many 3 game weeks are they going to play after spring break to make up games?

I hope that Landstown's dugout is more cohesive than it's fan base. There seems to be a lot of finger pointing, excuses, blame deflection and self-aggrandizing going on in this forum. Fortunately, there doesn’t seem to be the same thing occurring with other Beach teams with just as many losses.

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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
How many 3 game weeks are they going to play after spring break to make up games?

They've got three games the week of 16-20 Apr., and now that it appears the Kellam game will get rescheduled for the week of 23-27 Apr, they'll have two games that week.

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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
The top of their lineup can be as strong as any in the Beach, but the bottom part isn't nearly as strong, and word has already spread on that. That has resulted in a lot of pitching around the top four hitters.

Now that I think about it, I think I just described about half of the Beach teams. :-)

Not a lot of HS teams have much more than 2-3 good hitters. Anyone that goes 5-6 deep is a playoff team and if you get 7 or more good hittters you are a contender for the State title if you can pitch and catch at all.

Since most HS pitching is 83-85MPH and don't get breaking pitches over consistently a Good hitter will hit .350+ against fastballs he can sit on. He will do it with consistent power to the gaps and lines with low strikeouts. These guys aren't hitting 4 hoppers in the 5 hole and legging them out on thier way to a .320 average...they drive the ball regularly and most teams just don't have that many of them.

FC beats Kellam 3-2, but to Kellam's defense- 2 of the worst calls at home plate you will ever see, coach kicked out too. Good job patriots one game at a time! I will guarantee that home plate ump won't work too many high profile games!!

It was a really well-played baseball game with very few mistakes by either team and outstanding pitching. The calls were close but not necessarily bad....FC lost out on an interference no-call at second that cost a run (runner did not slide at second on a double-play attempt). The first call at the plate Luke Wollett appeared to avoid the tag by hopping around the catcher and slapping the plate. The final call at the plate was bang-bang with a high-shoulder tag and the FC player sneaking a hand through the legs of the catcher to tag the plate....I couldn't tell if he was safe or out.
Emotions were high but the players showed themselves well for both teams.
Looks like a race in the Beach. FC has a deep pitching staff with multiple choices to start, hold or finish a game (a sophomore started today and shut Kellam out for 4 innings). Chris Livers and Clay Frizzell are showing great leadership of the young team (Clay finished the game and got the win, and Chris had a key throw-out at second and caught a great game) that apperars to be getting more confidence with every game.
FC started a freshman, two sophomores, five juniors, and two seniors...they seem to have some of the same mojo that Kellam had last season.
The umpire is a good ump, he has umpired high-school for years including some big games. It was just a really close, hard-faught game that came down to inches.

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Originally posted by Billy Buckstone:
FC beats Kellam 3-2, but to Kellam's defense- 2 of the worst calls at home plate you will ever see, coach kicked out too. Good job patriots one game at a time! I will guarantee that home plate ump won't work too many high profile games!!

I was there too! I am a loyal patriot and will take the win, but to be truthful, they were the worst calls I have seen in 10 years watching FC and HS baseball....including the interference. If it were against us, I would of said the same thing, yes the players composed themselves very well on both sides!

Landstown comes from behind to close out Cox 8-4. What a gritty bunch of kids!! That was a never give up attitude from the kids, unlike a couple of negative parents when they were behind, remember that rubs off on all of us with those bad remarks!!!

Landstown 8, Cox 4 (8 inn.)

Hinton drove home the eventual winning run beating out an infield single in the 8th inning. Ferrante followed with a 3-run double. Faison pitched two innings for the win.

McCabe pitched well for 5 innings and hit a solo home run for Cox.

I totally agree with you, a few are always negative and don't know when to shut their mouths. I heard it today at Cox when Landstown was down. It seems like those negative parents need to stay in the parking lot and gripe with one another because it is bad. I would suspect they are on here and need to read this and keep their mouths zipped, makes us all in the community look terrible!

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Originally posted by zrxkuma:
I hope that Landstown's dugout is more cohesive than it's fan base. There seems to be a lot of finger pointing, excuses, blame deflection and self-aggrandizing going on in this forum. Fortunately, there doesn’t seem to be the same thing occurring with other Beach teams with just as many losses.

Salem 7, Kempsville 0 (Staskey no-hitter)
Tallwood 9, Ocean Lakes 5

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Originally posted by Billy Buckstone:
I will guarantee that home plate ump won't work too many high profile games!!

How?

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Originally posted by Billy Buckstone:
I was there too! I am a loyal patriot and will take the win, but to be truthful, they were the worst calls I have seen in 10 years watching FC and HS baseball....including the interference. If it were against us, I would of said the same thing, yes the players composed themselves very well on both sides!

An FC parent video taped the game behind homeplate, the dodge at home plate was the correct call, the catcher never touched him. Also the photographer for the pilot managed to time a picture up perfectly that shows the baserunner avoiding the tag. It will be interesting to see if they use that in the paper. As for the winning run, hate to see a kid slide head first into home but he probably would have been easily out had he gone feet first. Going head first allowed him to sneak a hand in. That was was actually closer then the first play at home. As for the interference call, no excuse can be used there, that has to be called. Runners cannot slide past the bag in high school play. FC has already had two runners called out for the exact same thing in other games. All things considered it was a fun game to watch. It will be interesting to see how the administration deals with Brooks getting tossed. It looked like he may have bumped the umpire, intentional or not, while arguing.

1. Kellam can request for him not to umpire their games, which is a big mark against the umpire.
2. The commissioner will probably be smart enought not to have those guys on the same field as Kellam.
3. Stubbe is a class act and will attest those two were bad, even on their best day!

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Originally posted by QuadAAAA:

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Originally posted by Billy Buckstone:
I will guarantee that home plate ump won't work too many high profile games!!

How?

Mr. Buckstone,
I have a few counter arguments. Granted, it has been a long time since I umpired down there, but if an experienced umpire had a problem with a team, i.e. bumping, etc., the commissioner would usually send us right back out to that school if we were so inclined. He also, for the most part, didn't take into account who a school did or didn't want umpiring their games. That's a slippery slope. But, like I said, it has been a while.

I have met coach Stubbe, umpired a few of FC's games when he first took over. Very classy, and all I really needed to know was that coach what's his name who was at FC said he was the right guy. I also know coach Jones, and his crew. He is a class act.

Long winded first post, ain't it?

I credit the homeplate umpire for making the call on the actual play (two great slides to avoid a tag) as opposed to making the call that appeared to be inevitable (both calls looked like the runner was going to be out prior to the tag). He's a good umpire. I have seen far worse. Too often parents/fans chirp about what they think happened when they are not even close to the plays (or don't understand the rules). Last night's game was played extremely well by both teams and ultimately the outcome WAS determined by the players with two clutch hits by Kellam to tie it up and three straight two-out singles by FC to win it.

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Originally posted by miss_the_757:
Mr. Buckstone,
I have a few counter arguments. Granted, it has been a long time since I umpired down there, but if an experienced umpire had a problem with a team, i.e. bumping, etc., the commissioner would usually send us right back out to that school if we were so inclined. He also, for the most part, didn't take into account who a school did or didn't want umpiring their games. That's a slippery slope. But, like I said, it has been a while.

I have met coach Stubbe, umpired a few of FC's games when he first took over. Very classy, and all I really needed to know was that coach what's his name who was at FC said he was the right guy. I also know coach Jones, and his crew. He is a class act.

Long winded first post, ain't it?

Sounds like a great night of baseball in the beach! Statsky threw a no-no against a good hitting Kempsville team, thats 2 in a row for Salem maybe they will start to play as expected. Kellam F.C. game sounds like it was filled with drama, as for the calls at the plate, well all the pictures and video in the world can not replicate real time action if the ump got it right great but remember everbodys reaction was based off "real time" not a photo or video. When the ball beats the runner to the plate by 10 feet, I think 99% of the time the runner is going to be called out in high school even if he gets around/under the tag. Bayside gets a win, good job, I still think your a better team than record indicates. Landstown beat Cox, I think that may be the shocker thus far in the beach. Sounds like Faison, Ferrante, and Hinton came through when it mattered. Tallwood gets its first win, congrats to a very young but game Tallwood team. Anybody know who threw for Tallwood? I imagine Lamb but I could be wrong.

Pilots81, you should probably refrain from writing on this forum intoxicated....its not a good look for you

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Originally posted by diamonddad9:
Pilots81, you should probably refrain from writing on this forum intoxicated....its not a good look for you

Based on time of entries, grammar, and spelling, you might be on to something diamond. LOL Pretty funny.

Tallwood 9 OL 5

sorry I don't know the players names: #20 pitched the first 5 innings for Tallwood and #6 the final 2.
OL again which has been the case most of the year struggled to make the routine defensive plays. All 7 runs scored in the 6th inning for Tallwood were unearned. To Tallwood's credit they did get some key 2 out hits.

Those last two comments are pitiful.

"The HS Baseball Web is an Internet home for high school baseball players, parents, coaches and fans."

The high school players read this site. If you wouldn't walk into the dug out and make these comments about a players father you should't be putting them on here. All of those great games last night and you can't promote a kid rather running down a dad?

diamonddad9 - Why are you so personal with this issue? Why don't you go to rant site where you be as sarastic as you like. This is a baseball talk forum.

I apologize paint boy ,from your posts I figured its a forum to thrash people, such as coaches, so I figured why not thrash dads too?

Edited by redbird5

Now that we have communicated our differences what did the dad do to you? Just wondering?

Great Picture, just wish it showed where he tagged him, I was just trying to be fair and get hammered for fairness?

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Originally posted by miller:
Billy?

If that umpire is supposed to be good, I hate to see the rest of the top 10.

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Originally posted by VB Baseball:
I credit the homeplate umpire for making the call on the actual play (two great slides to avoid a tag) as opposed to making the call that appeared to be inevitable (both calls looked like the runner was going to be out prior to the tag). He's a good umpire. I have seen far worse. Too often parents/fans chirp about what they think happened when they are not even close to the plays (or don't understand the rules). Last night's game was played extremely well by both teams and ultimately the outcome WAS determined by the players with two clutch hits by Kellam to tie it up and three straight two-out singles by FC to win it.

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Originally posted by miss_the_757:
Mr. Buckstone,
I have a few counter arguments. Granted, it has been a long time since I umpired down there, but if an experienced umpire had a problem with a team, i.e. bumping, etc., the commissioner would usually send us right back out to that school if we were so inclined. He also, for the most part, didn't take into account who a school did or didn't want umpiring their games. That's a slippery slope. But, like I said, it has been a while.

I have met coach Stubbe, umpired a few of FC's games when he first took over. Very classy, and all I really needed to know was that coach what's his name who was at FC said he was the right guy. I also know coach Jones, and his crew. He is a class act.

Long winded first post, ain't it?

That was back when you umped, it is a different time now. The schools do have a say. If a school chooses to request to strike you as an ump from doing their games, you will be striked from that school. The commissioner does support the umpires, but when it's requested from the school administration, I would bet you wont see that umpire for the remainder of the season.

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Originally posted by miss_the_757:
Mr. Buckstone,
I have a few counter arguments. Granted, it has been a long time since I umpired down there, but if an experienced umpire had a problem with a team, i.e. bumping, etc., the commissioner would usually send us right back out to that school if we were so inclined. He also, for the most part, didn't take into account who a school did or didn't want umpiring their games. That's a slippery slope. But, like I said, it has been a while.

I have met coach Stubbe, umpired a few of FC's games when he first took over. Very classy, and all I really needed to know was that coach what's his name who was at FC said he was the right guy. I also know coach Jones, and his crew. He is a class act.

Long winded first post, ain't it?

You clearly see what no one else sees; and know what no one else knows. What would we do without your posts?

I take that as a compliment! Thank you

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Originally posted by Beach Family:
You clearly see what no one else sees; and know what no one else knows. What would we do without your posts?

Thats the point--there was no tag. I asked the player after the game and he said the catcher didn't tag him. The umpire was right on top of the play so he was able to make the call better than those of us sitting behind the fence.

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Great Picture, just wish it showed where he tagged him, I was just trying to be fair and get hammered for fairness?
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Originally posted by miller:
Billy

Paint boy, you say "the dad" as if you were oblivious to his actual identity LOL

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Originally posted by 4thecycle:
Thats the point--there was no tag. I asked the player after the game and he said the catcher didn't tag him. The umpire was right on top of the play so he was able to make the call better than those of us sitting behind the fence.

And others have said he WAS tagged. I guess there is nothing to discuss if the umpire was in proper position.

Either way, at this point, it really doesn't matter.

True. And if the umpire wasn't in proper position, at this point, it really doesn't matter either.

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And others have said he WAS tagged. I guess there is nothing to discuss if the umpire was in proper position.

Either way, at this point, it really doesn't matter.