Where is hs competition the toughest in the state of California?
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Some would say Southern Cali., Some would say Northern Cali.,
Some would say Orange County, Some would say The Bay Area.
Some would say the Catholic Leagues, Some would say the Public Schools.
But in reality the Central Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield Is the Toughest Competition. Not only do they play tough, They play it in 110 degree weather!
I hope I didn't rattle any cages?
Are hurt your pour feelings. LOL
Some would say Orange County, Some would say The Bay Area.
Some would say the Catholic Leagues, Some would say the Public Schools.
But in reality the Central Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield Is the Toughest Competition. Not only do they play tough, They play it in 110 degree weather!
I hope I didn't rattle any cages?
Are hurt your pour feelings. LOL
Hey EH- 110? Not that often. 
Ya ever been north of Sac? It gets pretty dang hot up there too, maybe even hotter than the central valley.
Ya ever been north of Sac? It gets pretty dang hot up there too, maybe even hotter than the central valley.
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Gee Wiz guys...Heat?...Doesn't the ball carry abnormally long in that heat?....
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Gee Wiz guys...Heat?...Doesn't the ball carry abnormally long in that heat?....
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Ob44,
The ball should travel the greatest distance in a warm and humid environemnt. It should travel the least distance in cold, dry air. This is a simple analysis, based on air density.
However, baseball is a confounding thing. Suppose that the ball, itself, changes according to the weather...and the basic physics get changed. Could this be why so many baseball folk have said things like "...the air was humid and heavy.. and the ball didn't carry" (even though humid air is lighter than non-humid air).
I think there is a lot of confusion in the baseball world. But I am not sure which confusion is correct, including my own.
The ball should travel the greatest distance in a warm and humid environemnt. It should travel the least distance in cold, dry air. This is a simple analysis, based on air density.
However, baseball is a confounding thing. Suppose that the ball, itself, changes according to the weather...and the basic physics get changed. Could this be why so many baseball folk have said things like "...the air was humid and heavy.. and the ball didn't carry" (even though humid air is lighter than non-humid air).
I think there is a lot of confusion in the baseball world. But I am not sure which confusion is correct, including my own.
BBfam have u been in Fresno's heat 
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Glider..
Without getting into a lot of obscusive details...I would figure that more moisture would mean heavier baseballs and more friction with the added moisture in the air...both creating less "action"...
In any case....Let's see the coast is humid and wet and cool....by the glider theory then, the best power hitters/pitchers should develop on the coast where the fog rolls in and players have to hit/pitch through the pea soup...
...on the other hand...the fielders can't see the ball so the averages are inflated...
...your right all very confusing...
You'll like this...
If you want to be wise, it is best to ignore all wise sayings including this one...
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Glider..
Without getting into a lot of obscusive details...I would figure that more moisture would mean heavier baseballs and more friction with the added moisture in the air...both creating less "action"...
In any case....Let's see the coast is humid and wet and cool....by the glider theory then, the best power hitters/pitchers should develop on the coast where the fog rolls in and players have to hit/pitch through the pea soup...
...on the other hand...the fielders can't see the ball so the averages are inflated...
...your right all very confusing...
You'll like this...
If you want to be wise, it is best to ignore all wise sayings including this one...
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BBfam: Your right did not mean to leave out Redding or any where in between for the heat factor. Hot is Hot
Yes I have been and played in Fresno. Basically all the heat stinks but in all honesty we have it good compared to the hot humid places. Went back east on a vacation. Temerature about 100 and humidity to match. Thought I would die! Had to go back to my room because I was physically sick. Couldn't play in that. Take Fresno, Redding, Palm Springs wherever in Cal to that 
I need to interject with a NorCal perspective. My son plays in San Francisco where baseball weather is traditionally down jackets, ski hats and blankets. Even in summer! True, when they have summer games anywhere outside of the City, the heat really gets to them. But for sheer torture, players and spectators have to be really tough around here. And, from what I've heard, WCAL competition is pretty good!
quote:Originally posted by BBfam:
Yes I have been and played in Fresno. Basically all the heat stinks but in all honesty we have it good compared to the hot humid places. Went back east on a vacation. Temerature about 100 and humidity to match. Thought I would die! Had to go back to my room because I was physically sick. Couldn't play in that. Take Fresno, Redding, Palm Springs wherever in Cal to that
Based on our experience, dry hot air lets the ball carry ... couple that with some wind and you have a launching pad. Most of the coastal schools that our son competed against were very stingy with the long ball ... and more so at night.
By the way, as for where the best ball is played in California ... don't forget San Diego area. And to be honest, I think it is pretty well spread out up and down the state ... just watch a high school north/south all star game and see what kind of talent comes from the whole state.
By the way, as for where the best ball is played in California ... don't forget San Diego area. And to be honest, I think it is pretty well spread out up and down the state ... just watch a high school north/south all star game and see what kind of talent comes from the whole state.
OB44,
This is just for fun.
As a former pilot I can assure you that humid air is less dense than dry air (based on molecular weight difference between water and nitrogen). I used to base my life on that basic fact, especially in mountain airports! Cold, dry air is the most dense. There is less friction in humid air, compared to dry air.
The Pacific coast is not humid, although it can be wet (e.g. fog). Humidity and fog are two different things. Theoretically, a home run contest on the West cost will underperform the same contest on the East Coast.
The thing I'm not too sure about is the effect of condensed water (fog) on the ball itself, as well as the attitude of the batter (I used to hate to bat in the fog!). On the other hand, humidity takes some gettin' used to, so maybe the West coast sluggers might feel a tad sluggish back East.
In the end, still confusing to me....
This is just for fun.
As a former pilot I can assure you that humid air is less dense than dry air (based on molecular weight difference between water and nitrogen). I used to base my life on that basic fact, especially in mountain airports! Cold, dry air is the most dense. There is less friction in humid air, compared to dry air.
The Pacific coast is not humid, although it can be wet (e.g. fog). Humidity and fog are two different things. Theoretically, a home run contest on the West cost will underperform the same contest on the East Coast.
The thing I'm not too sure about is the effect of condensed water (fog) on the ball itself, as well as the attitude of the batter (I used to hate to bat in the fog!). On the other hand, humidity takes some gettin' used to, so maybe the West coast sluggers might feel a tad sluggish back East.
In the end, still confusing to me....
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This is good stuff...almost as good/contentious as the instructional threads!.....Just kidding!...Learning a great deal.....Which is harder to endure as a ballplayer/fan: Summer cold in SF, or summer heat in the valley...
The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco... Mark Twain
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This is good stuff...almost as good/contentious as the instructional threads!.....Just kidding!...Learning a great deal.....Which is harder to endure as a ballplayer/fan: Summer cold in SF, or summer heat in the valley...
The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco... Mark Twain
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I believe california has started to wake up out there, lets get this site rolling. its Baseball season!
Baseball is great all over the country. anymore you have talent everywhere and I think that its the Player not the part of the country he comes from. The EH
Baseball is great all over the country. anymore you have talent everywhere and I think that its the Player not the part of the country he comes from. The EH
the WCAL has some of the best baseball in the state. The WCAL is a religious private school league including
Bellarmine
St. Francis
Serra
Sacred Heart Cathedral
Valley Christian
ArchBishop Mitty
ArchBishop Riordan
Possibly the strongest league in California
Bellarmine
St. Francis
Serra
Sacred Heart Cathedral
Valley Christian
ArchBishop Mitty
ArchBishop Riordan
Possibly the strongest league in California
Yes I heard about those Religous Private Schools.
I heard about this Kid that wanted to go to one his sophmore year, but they did not accept him.
So his Sophmore year he led the area in rushing yards with like 1500+, TD's scored, all area.
The next year his Junior year, The Religous Private School found a spot for him. Gee its a wonder how that works out.
They talk about HS ball going by way of Select ball.
It already has, Its called Religous Private School!
I heard about this Kid that wanted to go to one his sophmore year, but they did not accept him.
So his Sophmore year he led the area in rushing yards with like 1500+, TD's scored, all area.
The next year his Junior year, The Religous Private School found a spot for him. Gee its a wonder how that works out.
They talk about HS ball going by way of Select ball.
It already has, Its called Religous Private School!
Do you know anything about Jesuit HS in Sacto? A friend of ours is sending his son there and wants us to go too. Said the BB team is excellent.
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Watched a number of Jesuit players at Area Code try outs and such last year...
VERY impressive...
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Watched a number of Jesuit players at Area Code try outs and such last year...
VERY impressive...
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Know anything about the coaches? This is my son we're talking about 
Wouldn't want him with just anyone.
Wouldn't want him with just anyone.
Jesuit has an outstanding baseball team this year. It really is a team of a caliber that rarely comes along anywhere. They are deep in quality pitching, with a lineup that will score a lot of runs and play solid defense. The coaches are very knowledgeable and spend a lot of time preparing the team. This program is truly a cut above most other high school teams.
It is also a very demanding school/team to play for, and not everyone can handle that aspect of playing for Jesuit. If your son is the type of student who can acheive in the classroom, you'd be hard pressed to find a better high school anywhere than Jesuit.
It is also a very demanding school/team to play for, and not everyone can handle that aspect of playing for Jesuit. If your son is the type of student who can acheive in the classroom, you'd be hard pressed to find a better high school anywhere than Jesuit.
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Nice post SBR...
Keep it up...
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Nice post SBR...
Keep it up...
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If you plan on playing summer ball you might be disappointed the coach run's a tight program and wants you there for summer, But you can find time for some Travel ball
Jesuit HS in Sac. will be very tough this year,
outstanding pitchers:
Oros, Rietter,Anderson if he pitches, great LH. hitter.
4 or 5 players top the best in cal. list.
I guarantee you won't be on Varsity your freshman yr.
Good Luck
Jesuit HS in Sac. will be very tough this year,
outstanding pitchers:
Oros, Rietter,Anderson if he pitches, great LH. hitter.
4 or 5 players top the best in cal. list.
I guarantee you won't be on Varsity your freshman yr.
Good Luck
Well he won't be a freshman for 2 years so you won't be seeing him anytime soon. He will be disappointed as that is one of his long term goals 
. What does their JV look like? That will be who he will be competing with . Sounds like a great program and some good hs ball to go and watch.
. What does their JV look like? That will be who he will be competing with . Sounds like a great program and some good hs ball to go and watch.
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Watched Oros last year at Area Code Try out's...WOW!...I expect to see some big things from him...
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Watched Oros last year at Area Code Try out's...WOW!...I expect to see some big things from him...
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Don't get me wrong about the Private Schools on my previous post. There Great, and the compitition is great.
If your boy has some talent, Jesuit JV is good, most of the schools have freshman teams, and either Sophmore or JV teams. Varsity is for Juniors or Seniors.
If your boy is 6'3". 200#now, and throws 85+, it wouldn,t make much since to keep him down would it?
If your boy has some talent, Jesuit JV is good, most of the schools have freshman teams, and either Sophmore or JV teams. Varsity is for Juniors or Seniors.
If your boy is 6'3". 200#now, and throws 85+, it wouldn,t make much since to keep him down would it?
I always refer to 6'3" 200#, because that is what Andy Oros was as a 15yr. old.
a Man child, great pitchers body.
really does have the right stuff.
a Man child, great pitchers body.
really does have the right stuff.
Only 9 inches and 180 lbs. to go. Grow baby grow!
I think you'll find that at Jesuit, the freshman all play on the freshman team, the sophomores all play JV and nobody plays varsity until they are a junior. There are just too many talented players at that school to start making exceptions and bringing up one kid while leaving others down at the lower levels. Coach P does an outstanding job of handling a very tough situation where many parents have, legitimately, very high expectations.
EH, you might be surprised by a few of their junior pitchers this spring. They have two who are going to be very good in addition to those you mentioned. It is almost unfair to have the depth of quality pitching they possess this spring. It is also a coach's dream. It'll be very interesting to watch Jesuit battle Elk Grove for the Delta League championship.
EH, you might be surprised by a few of their junior pitchers this spring. They have two who are going to be very good in addition to those you mentioned. It is almost unfair to have the depth of quality pitching they possess this spring. It is also a coach's dream. It'll be very interesting to watch Jesuit battle Elk Grove for the Delta League championship.
I only know one of them but see they have 1-2 juniors on the 07 best of cali. list.
Jesuit is going to be tough, they need some more hitters to go along with all that pitching.
Send some pitching down to my son's team, we need a couple good arms.
Jesuit is going to be tough, they need some more hitters to go along with all that pitching.
Send some pitching down to my son's team, we need a couple good arms.
EH, you have a pm
Jesuit is the consenus best team i guess.
Who knows if they're the best? There will be many excellent teams, but Jesuit should be included in any discussion about the best. They have a couple legitimate draft candidates, several other seniors that will play college baseball if they choose to and a very strong supporting group of juniors. Their pitching is very deep and they will score a ton of runs this year. They are going to be a very fun team to watch.
Now, there will be some teams in southern CA and other northern CA teams that will merit consideration, so lets hear who some of them might be.
Now, there will be some teams in southern CA and other northern CA teams that will merit consideration, so lets hear who some of them might be.
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Was Jesuit the high school that JP Howell attended? He was an '01 as well as AJ and considered one of the best high school LHP's at the time ... attended USC which didn't work out, then finished at Texas before being drafted in 04. AJ and JP faced off in the North/South all star game that year which was played at Sac JUCO (one of the best JUCO fields in the state, if not the country I might add). It was a great game which required extra innings as they both had stellar games ... I think JP came out in the 7th or 8th inning and AJ threw an inning past that. One of the highlights of AJ's high school career.
Was Jesuit the high school that JP Howell attended? He was an '01 as well as AJ and considered one of the best high school LHP's at the time ... attended USC which didn't work out, then finished at Texas before being drafted in 04. AJ and JP faced off in the North/South all star game that year which was played at Sac JUCO (one of the best JUCO fields in the state, if not the country I might add). It was a great game which required extra innings as they both had stellar games ... I think JP came out in the 7th or 8th inning and AJ threw an inning past that. One of the highlights of AJ's high school career.
Yes, one and the same high school for JP Howell. He was a heck of a player then, and now too. There's also another former Jesuit kid, Mike Metzger, who plays at UCLA with bbscout's son.
I'll go with SoCal. You can't get much better competition than the City Section, Southern Section and San Diego Section. Both Chatsworth and El Camino are highly ranked in preseason polls. Agoura probably would end up highly ranked with two 90+ pitchers but they play in such a tough league that no one ends up undefeated. There are some great OC and SD leagues too.
At the same time I'll admit that it can be hard to compete with the private schools that can recruit.
At the same time I'll admit that it can be hard to compete with the private schools that can recruit.
Bellarmine Prep. (San Jose) is ranked #16 in the country, and from what i know, id like to say they are the best team in california.
They have a junior who throws 90+ (Goedell)
and their ace who is one of the best pitchers in CA (Garcia). Not to mention their 4th string pitcher works from 86-88.
They have played 3 games so far this season,
(17-0) vs. Aragon
(17-1) vs. Homestead
(11-4) vs. Gilroy
we are playing them tomorrow and unfortunately id be willing to bet they continue their winning streak.
They have a junior who throws 90+ (Goedell)
and their ace who is one of the best pitchers in CA (Garcia). Not to mention their 4th string pitcher works from 86-88.
They have played 3 games so far this season,
(17-0) vs. Aragon
(17-1) vs. Homestead
(11-4) vs. Gilroy
we are playing them tomorrow and unfortunately id be willing to bet they continue their winning streak.
CADAD ..
Too funny ... lots of allegations over the years that this does indeed go on, despite the regulations against it.
The alleged abusers always deny any recruiting activity 
but I have significant doubts that they are being honest in their answers.
quote:At the same time I'll admit that it can be hard to compete with the private schools that can recruit.
Too funny ... lots of allegations over the years that this does indeed go on, despite the regulations against it.
The alleged abusers always deny any recruiting activity but I have significant doubts that they are being honest in their answers.
well, they beat us, but only 5-1.
we played a good game, Bellarmine is an amazing team.
messed up my era though, its kind of a bummer pitching against the #16 team in the country in regard to stats
we played a good game, Bellarmine is an amazing team.
messed up my era though, its kind of a bummer pitching against the #16 team in the country in regard to stats
el camino vs agoura at agoura
thursday march 9,
#2 against #3 (baseball america) and the visitor only has to drive 15 minutes to get there
thursday march 9,
#2 against #3 (baseball america) and the visitor only has to drive 15 minutes to get there
Agoura beat El Camino 9-0 behind the pitching of Stoffel and the hitting of Stock. I don't believe El Camino had given up a single run in 3 games prior to playing Agoura. If Agoura and Chatsworth meet in the finals the winner probably deserves to be #1.