Big 10 football

The School Presidents voted to cancel the season.  The coaches and AD’s have no ability to still play without approval from the school Presidents. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/n...NfO9Z-UzSXp5k8nxe6DE

Ok, if you say so.

https://www.dawgnation.com/foo...ld-trump-big-ten-sec

The Big10 Commissioner has been very outspoken in his opposition to playing in the fall.  The Big10s approach has been equivalent to the NCAAs.  Panic and inconsistency have been the Big10 mode of operation and I think you can look squarely at the leadership in that conference and individual schools.

So today, I think some of the coaches are speaking out because they are a lot closer to canceling than other P5 conferences, and they do not have the financial fragility of the MAC.

The MAC has been a disaster from the beginning.  They had schools tossing out programs (CMU, BG, Akron, etc,) back in May.  They canceled Spring championships for the next 4 years back in May!  They clearly were in financial dire straights and looking for an excuse to make cuts.  Hello Covid.   But they didn't expect the P5 to sweep the rug out from underneath them and take away all their revenue generating games.  Now football would be a financial loser in 2020 also.  So, time to cancel everything.

The SEC and the ACC, well there just not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.  They are being far more pragmatic than idealistic.    They are saying. "Look, cases are going down, fatalities are going down, why are we making a decision now."  Let's give it another couple weeks.  Very pragmatic.

https://www.aseaofblue.com/202...-sec-acc-season-2020

Well, it's out:

https://bigten.org/news/2020/8...-21-fall-season.aspx

13/14 schools will still have students on campus.  I don't understand cancelling if you are going to do that.  

This is a coordinated effort between the Pac 12 and Big 10.  Pac 12 is meeting today and will have an announcement soon.   They are expected to cancel Fall sports.

@d-mac posted:

13/14 schools will still have students on campus.  I don't understand cancelling if you are going to do that.  

I don't think it was ever about playing football, but rather getting students back on campus.

It seems that there may be longer term effects of COVID, including myocarditis, that can take weeks to months to recover from.  So I suspect the Presidents are trying to be the "adult in the room" and acknowledge that college sports, although important, are not worth putting young people's health at stake.  There will be tens of thousands of "normal" students on campus, so maybe that is hypocritical.  I am not saying I agree or disagree, but there does not seem to be much upside (beyond $$s) for the athletic conferences to allow sports to happen in this environment, with student athletes who are not paid professionals.  As much as we love college sports, they are not as essential as education.  Sorry I thought I was not going to get into any COVID discussion!!  Btw, this affects my daughter, who is on her last year of DI volleyball - she likely will never play "competitively" again, and that sucks.  I do at least understand the likely reason the Presidents are making this decision though.  Don't necessarily agree.  But just trying to be objective, there's not a big upside other than revenue.  And these big institutions don't want to be accused of putting revenue ahead of young people's health?

CTE seems way more detrimental to the players than Covid. And that never stopped them.

The Case Fatality Rate of Covid-19 in people under the age of 65 is 0.09%.  That is a fact.  Anyone that has seen my posts knows that I tend to deal in facts.  Of that case fatality rate in persons under the age of 65, the 90% have known underlying conditions.  This is also fact.  If we assume the 130 D1 football teams have 120 players on average that is about 15,600 players.  If we assume the coaches staff and trainers closely involved with these players on a day-to day basis brings the total to about 20,000 individuals under age 65 with near 80% being under age 30.

If everyone of them gets infected, we are talking about a predictive value of 1.8 deaths.  Everyone of them won't get infected and many already have been. Why am I putting this here.  Because this would be my message to the MAC, the PAC, and the Big10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2LZrmIxCCw

https://www.recordonline.com/s...covid-19/3339221001/

Army just scheduled Georgia Southern at West Point 11/21.  If Army can play, why can't the Big10 and the PAC?  Go Army!  Go Eagles!

@Pedaldad posted:

The Case Fatality Rate of Covid-19 in people under the age of 65 is 0.09%.  That is a fact.  Anyone that has seen my posts knows that I tend to deal in facts.  Of that case fatality rate in persons under the age of 65, the 90% have known underlying conditions.  This is also fact.  If we assume the 130 D1 football teams have 120 players on average that is about 15,600 players.  If we assume the coaches staff and trainers closely involved with these players on a day-to day basis brings the total to about 20,000 individuals under age 65 with near 80% being under age 30.

If everyone of them gets infected, we are talking about a predictive value of 1.8 deaths.  Everyone of them won't get infected and many already have been. Why am I putting this here.  Because this would be my message to the MAC, the PAC, and the Big10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2LZrmIxCCw

That made me laugh. Good one

Not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but the school Presidents run things in the Big Ten, not the athletic departments.  It was clear the Fall season wasn’t going to happen a few days ago.

@Pedaldad posted:

The Case Fatality Rate of Covid-19 in people under the age of 65 is 0.09%.  That is a fact.  Anyone that has seen my posts knows that I tend to deal in facts.  Of that case fatality rate in persons under the age of 65, the 90% have known underlying conditions.  This is also fact.  If we assume the 130 D1 football teams have 120 players on average that is about 15,600 players.  If we assume the coaches staff and trainers closely involved with these players on a day-to day basis brings the total to about 20,000 individuals under age 65 with near 80% being under age 30.

If everyone of them gets infected, we are talking about a predictive value of 1.8 deaths.  Everyone of them won't get infected and many already have been. Why am I putting this here.  Because this would be my message to the MAC, the PAC, and the Big10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2LZrmIxCCw

It only takes one or two deaths or bad cases to spur a big lawsuit, though, that they don't want to deal with. 

One thing I brought up to our University President the other day is that having home football games is a good way to keep kids on campus, so they don't go home and infect more vulnerable people.  However, if that happens, who is liable?  Not so much the University, as students are told to (but not forced) stay on campus through it.  IMO, a lot of this is driven by liability.

@Viking0 posted:

 IMO, a lot of this is driven by liability.

It always is!! Sad to think our legal system is the best in the world. 

@Viking0 posted:

It only takes one or two deaths or bad cases to spur a big lawsuit, though, that they don't want to deal with. 

One thing I brought up to our University President the other day is that having home football games is a good way to keep kids on campus, so they don't go home and infect more vulnerable people.  However, if that happens, who is liable?  Not so much the University, as students are told to (but not forced) stay on campus through it.  IMO, a lot of this is driven by liability.

Agree with the fear of liability being the driving force here.  Several months ago I wrote on this forum that I finally appreciated FDR’s “The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.”

I hope CUSA, the Sun Belt, The Big12, SEC, and ACC, the academies, etc. all stick to their current strategies and play.   I hope we pay attention to what this does to the PAC and Big 10 for the next decade,   So we never make this stupid mistake again.

Not getting a lot of news coverage, but "Former Florida State [basketball] center Michael Ojo died on Friday after collapsing during training in Serbia, his former team Red Star Belgrade said. He was 27. . . . Ojo was reported to have tested positive for the coronavirus, but also that he had recovered. Local media reported that he died of a heart attack."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/m...-center-dies-age-27/

And in other news out of India, it was reported that Shiva Modi was killed and eaten by a Bengal tiger. This coming a couple weeks after being diagnosed with the Coronavirus. Authorities are investigating as to whether there's a connection. In the meantime they are urging anyone who has had the coronavirus to stay away from Bengal tigers. 

I'm still waiting for the news that Commish Warren has pulled his kid off the Miss State football team because of too many unknowns......so far that hasn't happened, and likely won't

@Pedaldad posted:

Agree with the fear of liability being the driving force here.  Several months ago I wrote on this forum that I finally appreciated FDR’s “The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.”

I hope CUSA, the Sun Belt, The Big12, SEC, and ACC, the academies, etc. all stick to their current strategies and play.   I hope we pay attention to what this does to the PAC and Big 10 for the next decade,   So we never make this stupid mistake again.

Sun Belt is going for it. At this point it’s “damn the torpedos”. 

@Buckeye 2015 posted:

I'm still waiting for the news that Commish Warren has pulled his kid off the Miss State football team because of too many unknowns......so far that hasn't happened, and likely won't

Great point,  has he addressed this?  I haven't seen a response if he has.

@Nonamedad posted:

Sun Belt is going for it. At this point it’s “damn the torpedos”. 

So far so is CUSA.  We have a lot of conference teams still in the running in Florida, SEC, ACC, CUSA, Sunbelt.

If they canceled, Ron DeSantis might lose his lunch!

Really sad for these kids.  I know a lot of P5 football players and they all want to play.  Our friend that is a likely first round pick from the BIG10 is devastated.  Whole family is.  The protocols in place would keep them much safer than 80 guys just hanging out without the protocols.  If they played they would have had trackers to hold them accountable, would have been tested 3X a week, would have had heart scans if they tested positive before returning to play.  Now we have a bunch of pissed off kids who will just be out partying.  Its a joke and its not what's best for the kids, just what's best for the attorneys.

https://www.deseret.com/indept...-rights-paid-amateur

I think that COVID has unleashed the beast within college football players.

https://www.espn.com/college-f...oup-address-concerns

So did the Pac 12 and Big 10 cancel over concerns of COVID, or over concerns that they couldn't deliver what the players wanted? 

@TPM posted:

https://www.espn.com/college-f...oup-address-concerns

So did the Pac 12 and Big 10 cancel over concerns of COVID, or over concerns that they couldn't deliver what the players wanted? 

 

I think the number of players making demands was small, and most prefer just to play, but that is interesting. 

Going forward, it will be interesting to see what players are able to do if the conferences that plan to play go forward.  As I read on another forum, I'm 99% certain Justin Fields could return to the SEC if he wanted.  But I'm 99.9% certain he has played his last down of College Football.

The NCAA football portal is about to explode with talent.  Will conferences come up with their own rules for transfers and rosters this year?  What authority does the NCAA really have in this situation?  I think precedents they set in the Spring and losing half the FBS just made it the wild wild west.

Some high profile kids have already decommitted today.  I'm not sad about that.  The kids want to play.  They are adults.

@Pedaldad posted:

I think the number of players making demands was small, and most prefer just to play, but that is interesting. 

Going forward, it will be interesting to see what players are able to do if the conferences that plan to play go forward.  As I read on another forum, I'm 99% certain Justin Fields could return to the SEC if he wanted.  But I'm 99.9% certain he has played his last down of College Football.

The NCAA football portal is about to explode with talent.  Will conferences come up with their own rules for transfers and rosters this year?  What authority does the NCAA really have in this situation?  I think precedents they set in the Spring and losing half the FBS just made it the wild wild west.

 Very interesting. 

@Pedaldad posted:

I think the number of players making demands was small

So this changes things as to how I see the situation. These "demands" put the schools in a bind. Dumb ass kids f'ed it up for everyone.

@Pedaldad posted:

Great point,  has he addressed this?  I haven't seen a response if he has.

He said today "we have family decisions to make"....

Add SOCON to the list of those who dropped fall sports.

Sorry if this was already discussed in other threads but I can't find it mentioned. The NCAA is granting an extra year of eligibility for student athletes that have their season canceled just like for Spring athletes.  The impact here will be a little different as some P5 are playing football and other sports.  Just more pain for high school athletes.  I would have thought with the carnage they created for sping athletes that they might have learned their lesson and possibly gone in a different direction.

The Council recommended the board provide fall sport student-athletes who compete and then opt out of future participation or have a season cut short due to COVID-19: (1) an extension of their five-year period of eligibility; and (2) an additional season of competition if they participate in 50% or less of the maximum number of competitions allowed in each sport by Division I rules.

I had a feeling something like this would happen....

Wow!  I'm going to grab the popcorn and watch this play out during commercials of SEC, ACC and Big-12 games.

I am glad that football parents are speaking up.  I have no idea if it will change anything, but they do have a right to have their position know and considered  

Here is the twitter account to follow for updates.

https://twitter.com/ParentsNebraska?s=21

FWIW.  The JAMA article that the wimpy10 and pathetic12 based their decisions on, citing too many unknowns related to Covid-19 and long term effects of myocarditis has been retracted.  It was extraordinarily flawed and inaccurate.  Many medical professionals pointed this out weeks ago.  But hey, the cowardly10 were going with the science.    I have hated(and I don't use the word hate lightly) the medical profession's (my profession) willingness to publish and produce articles that support their opinion rather than doing the studies first and then forming an educated assessment of their data.   This is a microcosmic sample of the terrible decisions that have been made for 6 months.

It is no wonder the public and politicians have a hard time sorting through the pile of raw sewage that is medical research to find any single gem of information that passed through the bowels of our institutions of higher learning.   Still Kevin Warren must have known something.  After all,  his son never opted-out at Miss St.  

@Pedaldad posted:

FWIW.  The JAMA article that the wimpy10 and pathetic12 based their decisions on, citing too many unknowns related to Covid-19 and long term effects of myocarditis has been retracted. 

Where?  Can you give us a citation?