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Here's a piece from today's SF Chronicle, including quotes from PG Staff. Slightly different bent than we discussed last week, but not necessarily a new angle.

Why baseball is now so white
C.W. Nevius

Sunday, April 22, 2007

America marked the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's debut in Major League Baseball a week ago today. The milestone made many people look at today's professional rosters and wonder why there are so few African American players.

All sorts of reasons were cited, from a lack of current role models to the rise of video games. But as Bay Area cities crank up their Little League seasons this weekend, here's another explanation.

Money.

In the past few years, youth baseball has become a game for affluent suburban kids. It isn't only the well-groomed ballparks they play on. It's the personal professional instructors and summer traveling teams that crisscross the nation and "showcase'' events where families pay an entry fee of $500 or more so their sons can be seen by professional or college scouts.

The financial pressures restrict most young players, but particularly those in the inner city. We know that there is another model -- the Latino players who have become such a big factor in the Major Leagues come from nations such as the Dominican Republic, where baseball is played year-round on every available field as well as in the streets and parking lots.

But with the recent attention on Robinson, the question has been asked: What happened to black baseball players?

Ask a former player like Mike Felder, who grew up in Richmond, played 10 years in the big leagues (two with the Giants) and is now coaching baseball at University Prep, an Oakland charter school where most students are minorities.

To him, the financial change in the game has been mind-boggling.

"My athletic director said he bought us two bats,'' Felder says. "One was $125 and one was $250. I said, 'Two-hundred-and-fifty dollars? You have got to be kidding me.' When I was playing, we used the bats we got on bat day at the A's and Giants.''

Actually, $250 isn't bad these days. A top-of-the-line bat -- with a "carbon reinforced composite handle'' -- can run as much as $400. A good glove can cost $100 to $200.

And most of the top players have private instructors whose fees can top $75 an hour.

"It is like it has become a necessity out here,'' says Bill Piona, who has coached the extremely successful baseball program at Danville's Monte Vista High School for 20 years. "There must be 50 to 100 guys out here who are making a pretty good living just doing lessons.''

On one hand, that sounds like typical over-the-top parents, and Piona admits to having some qualms about the idea. However, in the case of baseball, a game of specific skill sets and subtle techniques, it can pay off. Let's look at the other side of the equation on the other side of the Caldecott Tunnel.

Jesse Kurtz-Nicholl, who pitched at Rice University and spent two years in the Kansas City Royals farm system, is in his second year as head coach at Richmond High. He can see the difference money makes when he compares a team like Monte Vista with his team.

"I've got some incredible athletes at Richmond, but I am teaching them things now, at the age of 15, that they should have learned when they were 8,'' Kurtz-Nicholl said.

Piona adds that the best baseball players combine knowledge and technique. "In other sports, if you can run a 4.4 40 or jump 36 inches, you're going to make the team," he said. "But you may be all those things and not be a good baseball player.''

To improve, they not only need good instruction, but experience on "traveling teams'' during the summer. Those teams, which may charge from $2,000 to $10,000 for the season, not only play all over the nation, they are also likely to attend "showcase'' events. An Iowa-based organization called Perfect Game puts on a tournament in Marietta, Ga., where more than 150 teams attend from the Bay Area and elsewhere in the United States.

"In the old days, scouts and recruiters used to go out and find kids,'' says Perfect Game President Jerry Ford. "Now they are seeing 100 prospects in one place, instead of going 100 places to see one prospect.''

What do you expect, says Eric Kubota, director of scouting for the Oakland A's.

"You are talking about spending a lot of money on top draft picks these days,'' Kubota says. "The days of taking a raw kid in the first few rounds is from 25 years ago.''

The simple fact is that the showcases, traveling teams and expensive instruction do work. At upscale Monte Vista, Piona says, 50 percent of his varsity team plays on traveling teams. At University Prep, Felder says he doesn't have a single player on one of those teams this year.

"At one point, we charted the first five rounds of the draft over the last eight or nine years and highlighted every black kid,'' says Perfect Game's Ford. "We found that with the exception of two or three players, every one of them had attended a Perfect Game event.''

That's the harsh reality for someone like Felder, who is doing a great thing in the community by coaching in Oakland, but knows the deck is stacked against his kids. His goal is to get a scholarship for at least one of them, but that will be tough if they're not in the traveling-team pipeline.

"The colleges are not coming out after our kids,'' Felder says. "And if they don't see us, we're not going to get to play.''

C.W. Nevius' column appears regularly. His blog, C.W. Nevius.blog, can be found at SFGate.com. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.
"There are two kinds of people in this game: those who are humble and those who are about to be." Clint Hurdle
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This is a very interesting sociological question.

I don't dispute that one of the factors is money, as the article says. It is true that black households in the U.S. are, on average, less wealthy than white households, and this obviously creates a differential in the ability to take part in lots of the expensive baseball development activities and to afford the increasingly expensive equipment for the game.

But when this issue gets discussed, it seems to me, that there is always an eight foot bunny rabbit in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge.

Who teaches boys to hit and throw? Generally, their dads. Who usually teaches the boys to love the game, its history, its nuances and contradictions?

By and large, love of baseball is passed on from father to son.

It is a sad fact that 70% of black children in America are born into single parent families. This is a monumental tragedy, and the effect it has on the lack of black youth participation in baseball is perhaps among the least serious of its side effects.

If only 30% of black kids have a father in the house, we shouldn't be surprised that so few black kids play baseball.

Yet I virtually NEVER see this reason discussed when I read something about the falloff in black participation in baseball.

Nothing I have written here is intended to minimize the role of mothers in their boys baseball lives. There are so many moms on this board who are just as passionate about baseball as the fathers, and who have had just as much to do with their boy's success as their dads, albeit probably in different ways.

But generally speaking, the fundamental skills in baseball begin by being passed from father-to-son. The overwhelming majority of baseball playing boys first learned to catch, throw and hit from their dads.

Take the dad out of the house for 70% of ANY group of kids, and you will find far fewer of them play baseball.
Good points Rob, and pretty much in agreement with what George Will asserted last week. The numbers were a subject of some debate, but we can all agree that they are high for black unmarried mothers. Whether or not these kids have an alternative father figure in the household (grandfather, uncle, live-in boyfriend, etc.) is also an unknown. I don't dispute that it is a factor, and a significant one, but I wonder if that's the whole story.
I think there are plenty of opportunities for these kids to learn and play other skilled sports such as football and basketball. Who’s teaching them those skills? Baseball seems to have been pushed aside somehow. I think SES factors, decreased number of role models, and nuclear family issues combine with a lack of foreseeable benefits, primarily available college scholarships, to cloud to dreams of young black potential ballplayers.
I know this is not a popular issue with some on this board, but baseball's future without American blacks is something of an issue for our society to consider. Continuing the dialogue will perhaps shed some needed light on the matter, and also bring that bunny out into the open.
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Spizzle brought up a question of who is teaching boys the skills of football and basketball.

Baseball uses more equipment for the sandlot then either football or basketball require. In both football and basketball, the kids only have to grab a ball and head out the door. No rounding up a bat and glove to go with that ball; less equipment, less to have to keep up with. Unfortunately, most kids like the easy way.

Also, football and basketball skills and mechanics are taught in school. Baseball isn't. This definitely puts anyone that might wish to play baseball at a disadvantage.
Blacks seem to pick up the intricacies of football and basketball well at an early age. Not sure they are much different than baseball in terms of mentoring. In a recent report on the subject, HBO interviewed two black baseball players at a Daytona Beach school with a higher minority enrollment than neighboring schools. Coachee is the head coach there, btw. The kids said they got teased by their friends for playing a sport for slow thick ankled white kids. Smile It just was not cool for a black kid to play. Peer pressure might be a major factor. I'm not part of the demographic that would know though.
Another reason never discussed is the lack these days of multi-sport athletes. Baseball for Jackie Robinson, it was said, was maybe his 4th best sport but he kept playing it until an opportunity opened up for him to play the sport at a higher level. These days kids of all races are specializing and the black athlete is choosing basketball and football primarily and therefore eliminating future potential opportunities for himself in this sport. This reason to me is far more important than the financial one often mentioned. The last time I checked basketball shoes and AAU traveling basketball teams are pretty costly items too.
I think the point about the lack of active black fathers is interesting but not the whole thing. If you look at Pop Warner type youth football operations, you will see many black fathers (married or not).

Also, I think that the timing of track season may have something to do with it. Here in Missouri both track and baseball are Spring sports, so many would-be outfielders are forced to choose. And track seems to be a socially acceptable choice for young black men.

They can play football in the Fall, basketball in the Winter, and run track in the Spring.

There just isn't much room for baseball.
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To improve, they not only need good instruction, but experience on "traveling teams'' during the summer. Those teams, which may charge from $2,000 to $10,000 for the season, not only play all over the nation, they are also likely to attend "showcase'' events.
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I have a hard time buying into this argument. My son has several friends that play HS basketball. Two are going on to play in college. They all traveled during their basketball developmental periods and own up through HS. They play year round just like baseball (except for one who stops to play football and who will most likely play football in college although he has a couple of small colleges courting him in hoops). I follow basketball recruiting and almost every top notch high school basketball player in the country plays some level of showcase ball. It is much like baseball. Some play local showcase and AAU events and some play on national travel teams. In fact, I couldn't name a single basketball player, from the US, that was drafted in the last 5 years that didn't play AAU or travel basketball at some point. There may be a few who didn't but I would have to dig out old files to find him. The ultimate is to be named to the McDonalds HS Basketball team and you can bet the guys on this team weren't spotted by a scout watching kids play hoops in some parking lot.

Football I cann't say much about except that I do know that scouting combines are big for the colleges to target and evaluate potential talent. There was just a big one here in North Carolina at Ragsdale High School in Jamestown, NC where 300 rising HS seniors were weighed, measured, timed, and timed again. Now they have the college scouts all over the ones that graded out highly.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by thepainguy:
Also, I think that the timing of track season may have something to do with it. Here in Missouri both track and baseball are Spring sports, so many would-be outfielders are forced to choose. And track seems to be a socially acceptable choice for young black men.[QUOTE]

Now this I do agree with. We have lost two good outfielders over the past 4 years to track that I know of. I don't know how many didn't even bother to try out for baseball and went straight to track.
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Michael'sDAd ....

With regard to basketball players, I think one thing that gets lost in the discussion is the opportunity for high visibility players to be sent to NBA showcase tournaments (or whatever they are) AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NBA which just does NOT happen with baseball. I would hazard a guess that most of the high draft pick basketball players have been to at least one if not several of those activities over the course of their high school careers. I know a young man personally who went to several (but ended up going to college for one red shirt season of volleyball). Yes, there may be situations where a high school baseball player can go in front of a MLB club, including area code tryouts and tourney, but the MLB does NOT pay for any travel to these try outs etc (as far as I know). So it seems that there are some advantages at least in regards to being made visible by the professional clubs themselves.

On another note FWIW (and please do not read this as anything racial or racist --- I personally wish that Major League Baseball would take half, if not all, of the money they spend IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES on baseball academies etc and put that money to work here in the good old U S of A inner city areas so that more of our American children could be introduced and groomed in the fine sport of baseball at an early age. Since money seems to be one of the key factors regarding the involvement of inner city youth and black youth in this sport, I think we should keep our money here and support our own youth.

We were fortunate enough to be able to afford the luxury of travel ball, equipment, even gasoline for the trips to and from the fall games with his AABC teams but I do know that there are many who are not in our shoes and just flat out cannot afford it.

JMHO FWIW
How many of you actually know a kid that wants to make baseball a priority, but there isn't anyone to help him out?

I'll go out on a limb and speculate that if a young man is totally committed to the baseball program and willing to do what it takes, there is assistance for him somewhere. He may have to be responsible for inquiring and doing the research/leg work, but I feel certain there are those willing to help.

How many have you already provided scholarships for on your summer teams? I would imagine if a child wants something badly enough, he will find a way to accomplish his goal.
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On another note FWIW (and please do not read this as anything racial or racist --- I personally wish that Major League Baseball would take half, if not all, of the money they spend IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES on baseball academies etc and put that money to work here in the good old U S of A inner city areas so that more of our American children could be introduced and groomed in the fine sport of baseball at an early age. Since money seems to be one of the key factors regarding the involvement of inner city youth and black youth in this sport, I think we should keep our money here and support our own youth.


Yeah me too!
Latin players come cheap though. I wonder if this where some corporations got their inspiration for outsourcing American jobs?
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I personally wish that Major League Baseball would take half, if not all, of the money they spend IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES on baseball academies etc and put that money to work here in the good old U S of A inner city areas so that more of our American children could be introduced and groomed in the fine sport of baseball at an early age.


With this I do agree! ALSO, I wish they would put in an international draft!
Well, I went to the source. I have 6 black guys in my last class. They all play another sport. We have plenty of great black athletes at a school that is 30% black. Back to back state champs in football, regional finals in basketball, and most likely will win the state track meet. So we have the kids that could help at a small, rural school, but out of the 30 players in our baseball program we have only one black kid.

The answers I got from the kids in class were.....
1. Don't have the time (or want to) to play three sports.

2. Do not want to be one of the few black guys out there (friends are running track).

3. Do not have the skills to excell at this level.
This story from the Buffalo paper matches the conditions here in Cleveland. Match a Cleveland city school against a suburban school in football or basketball and you most times have the Cleveland school winning. Same schools in baseball, no contest.

I am uncomfortable analyzing things by race however. I would love to see more KIDS interested in baseball. We don't seem to be asking the opposite question of why African Americans dominate football and basketball or conversely why whites are in the minority in those sports. It just might be a segment of our POPULATION is more interested in those other sports. Nothing at all wrong with that.

I think what disturbs many of us is that we know that most kids who are exposed to baseball at a young age fall in love with the game. If the solutions are about exposing more KIDS to baseball, I am all for it. If they are about making people feel comfortable with themselves or to remove some type of imagined guilt, then I think we are going down the wrong path.
Before we go and start playing arm chair psychiatrist, let’s take a look at the big picture for baseball. If we want to consider this great pastime and share the game as a country, does that picture represent all Americans? Do we want to be less inclusive when we represent our nation in international competition?

Society has its barriers, racial, economic, gender, etc., but sports have been (at least in recent years) a way past these barriers. Segregating our sports would be, well let’s not go there.

That's what Jackie Robinson Day was all about, remembering a man who broke the color barrier in baseball. Somebody tell me why that shouldn't be a big deal? Why shouldn’t we preserve that accomplishment?

Now it seems that a barrier is going back up, but this one is in some ways more difficult to figure out. Maybe we should be happy that black kids are playing other sports, because sports are inherently good. I happen to think that baseball is better than other sports, for many reasons, and I'll bet many here agree.

I grew up a baseball fan, a Giants fan, a kid who thought Willie Mays was the greatest baseball player who ever put on a uniform. I didn't idolize him for being black, I idolized him for being great! I respected his ethnicity, and what he brought to the game because of who he was.

My point is that I would love to see some of these outstanding athletes playing baseball. That’s it! I think it would continue to benefit the game to have all American’s represented, and the benefits to society would follow naturally. BTW, I'm not pointing fingers or laying blame for this on the MLB, but as FBM pointed out, they seem be in the best position to do something about it.


My apologies to those who missed my point, or think I'm belaboring it. I'll get off the soapbox now, but I’m not sorry I took a stand on the issue.
spizzle


You make a great point---I was lucky enough to see Willie Mays break in back in 1951 ---his talent was unmatched as far as I was concerned and mind you I came from a family of Joe DiMaggio fanatics but I don't recall it ever having anything to do with his "Color"---he was a baseball player of extreme ability

My Dad used to take me to Ebbets Field for Giant/Dodger games and you know what--color meant nothing--we sat with the Dodger fans, many of them of color in our section, and they bought this young kid and his dad sodas and hot dogs because we rooted for the player, even if he was on the other side----and the Dodgers had a pretty fair centerfielder themselves in Duke Snider


Boy have times changed !!!! That doesn't happen today

Asa closing note let me say I do not agree with the title of the article that began this thread---baseball is not all white---we have crossed so many barriers---the game is now all about talent be it--black, white, latino, Korean, Japanese , South American etc
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This subject has been discussed time and time again on this site and I personally think
it's an interesting subject to ponder but I also wonder why it is so difficult for many to discuss the obvious(and valid) point that Rob Kremer has brought up. I also know that
ORLANDO, FutureBback.Mom,and my own wife would take issue with Dads being the ones who taught the young ones the history and basics of baseball. They, along with many other ladies, are just as passionate (if not more so) than a lot of dads.
However, I have to reiterate what I've stated in past posts long ago that I honestly believe much is made ado about nothing. I would love for the people (with honest thoughts and beliefs, Im sure) who perceive the decline of blacks in baseball as a problem to please expand on that idea(why is it a problem?) and then please explain why
the decline of whites in basketball(also an American Tradition) and football(also and
American sport) is not of equal importance and worthy of national media attention? Yes,
I understand this is a baseball site but we have always opened up this forum for many, many different and diverse subjects.

In my opinion, Big Grin it's a lot of hot air being blown around just to keep the racial ill winds blowing.
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Having just attended RBI Tryouts over the weekend.
Staff was hoping for 60 players to come. They had 120 players attended from mostly inner city hs schools.


You know why, don't you? One of the next Urban League Academies that Major League Baseball has on the drawing board, is slated for Miami. Those participants are fighting for their place in the new facility coming to Miami Smile

Keep up the good work in the field Andy.

Shep Cares
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The world is getting much smaller. We’re all connected in business, sports, news, and everything else. The best that there are, regardless of color, are going to come here and play because the best play here. If our sons can compete with the best in the world then there’s certainly nothing to be concerned about. If they can not, you can still watch and love the game of baseball. Who cares what color the players are.
Every fall our roster looks like the United Nations---blacks,latinos, canadiens, jewish kids and oh yea white boys--- all that matters is that they can play and are good kids--- and you know what !! the kids all get along famously---bottom line is that they are team mates and all wear the same uniform
Dear old Dad

The toughest part is me having to relearn spanish and stay up to date with the kids lingo

We even have the kids who are into hip hop and salsa listening to country music when in my auto---they have no choice

We do have a lot of fun---it becomes like a family---we even had a young man with us last year who was of Polish/Jewish heritage and attending a Catholic High School--- even at my age of 65 I am getting an education as are my coaches and the staff cover nearly decades in age

The best part is the parents all become like the team--the parents hang out together--- we like to see the "family" come together--it makes it a load of fun and hopefully an experience the players will not forget
Jackie Robinson was initiated during a hateful, ugly, disgusting time of racial bigotry. His opportunity gave euphoric inspiration to the entire population of black americans and with the continuation of more particpants gaining entrance into the league the inspiration lasted for a few generations. They were moved to play because of the excitement and pride of being involved. My wife's late grandfather was interested in nothing but baseball and he was nearing 40 years of age when Robinson first began to play.

Fast forward to today and I think a major reason that black americans participate in fewer numbers at all ages of baseball including the Major Leagues is because it is by far one of the worst at Marketing itself. There is little done to make baseball special in the heart and minds of black families whom over the past 20 year period have been sold excitement by football and basketball.

A shoe company utilized the success of a black american basketball player to engendered an entire globe to want to be like Mike. Hype and Marketing made the pursuit of duplicating the success of a person who looks like myself and that the entire world embraces a real passion.

College baseball is played in obscurity. Top prospects matriculate from draft to exile in the minors. College football and basketball have nonstop pagentry and celebration on television pre, during, and post games. They present their respective drafts as though the individuals on stage have achieved world peace. They then sell, sell, sell, sell, until those players succeed or fail at the next level, but everything is made to be so very important and thus desired. Black americans are bombarded with images of themselves being pedastooled as sports successes in these two respective games thus they overwhelmingly prioritze the need to play them.

There are certainly other contributing factors to declining numbers, however I think in todays sports world the images of success that black americans view as tangable reside in other sports.

The establishment of facilities and programs to lend opportunity to more black americans is a step towards facilitating more involvement especially if they develope the idea of it making those that partcipate special and important, but I think that there potentially is a more profound opportunity in terms of creating excitement developing right now in Tampa Bay.

The Devil Rays have Crawford, Young, Upton and Dukes. Major League Baseball should MAKE every opportunity and spend, spend and spend to market this quartet of young SPECTACULAR players in such a fashion that black families all across the country are aware and await hearing about what they accomplish. Marketing will be the key to developing larger numbers. Make the game important because you hype personalities and their play. Make people talk about baseball. In the black community it is not even a whisper.
Why do we NEED more blacks in baseball? That in itself sounds like a racist agenda to me. Are we so caught up in this that we should separate the population into different segments, targeting people within those segments, and then attempt to manipulate them into doing as WE (ever who we is) think they should? Marketing to the black population for the sake of manipulating the racial balance is unfair and would never fly in corporate America. Corporations invest marketing dollars for financial gains not to alleviate some skewed perception by a portion of our society. However if someone sees a financial advantage in marketing baseball to blacks then they will do so. Knowing that blacks are proclaiming that baseball is far too expensive for them and they have been "forced" out by the white population I wouldn't look for any big marketing campaign. Baseball is one of many recreational sport and participants should be free to choose one sport over another. If someone chooses to play hockey, basketball, scuba diving, video games, frisbee golf, grappling for catfish or bass fishing so be it. Let them choose! I’ve been through this with my wife. Opening day of squirrel season would fall on the Ole Miss – University of Memphis football game. Big event for her but opening day of squirrel season was much bigger to me. You guessed it --- she would go to the game (with tears in her eyes) and I would go hunting. You can call in Rev Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to protest all you want but I’m still going to participate in MY sport!
Fungo
Major League Baseball is certainly part of the big business of sports entertainment and developing marketing programs to produce greater revenue generation through a wider fan base is good business. Developing a larger interest for the game in the Black household or any other demographic serves a better business model. Rather than Sharpton or Jackson might I bring in Mr. Robert Johnson or Earl Graves to speak to the business side this issue.
Love this site, let me chime in on this one......

If you look at where most of the black kids playing Baseball are drafted from, it's the warm weather states, Florida, California, Texas, Arizona. I have wondered about the black atheletes exodus from Baseball over the past 20 years and this is what I have observed (By the way I'm a black dude if this helps)

The problem stemmed from the scouts not looking in their own back yards for talent. I grew up in Detroit and played Baseball in the Public School League at Chadsey High School which had one of the better Baseball programs in the city. By my Senior year of High School (1986) you could see the decline in interest among the kids, within 3 years this is what was going on...

1. Everybody wanted to be like Mike: Football and Basketball became the way out of the "hood" Baseball became a secondary sport for most kids, or a way to stay in shape "year-round"

2. Lack of funding for the sport: City baseball programs averaged a $500 operating budget when I was in High School.

3. Coaches that could not teach the game, many of the good coaches left the Public Schools to teach and coach in the suburbs or retired. (Standout coaches in Detroit at the time were Ron Teasley at Northwestern, Larry Krueger at Chadsey, Ron Syme at Finney, John Wilson at King, John Spivey, Vic Bechard and Morris Blackwell at Cass Tech, Bill Marrs at Cooley and Ignacio Gonzales at Western High School all of this coaching talent left the Public Schools before or within a 10 year period after I graduated High School.)

Last year I was on leave and I went up to Osborn High School on the East Side of Detroit to watch practice, there was a kid playing 2b with a catchers mitt, and no one attempted to correct the young man until I said something. The coach asked me if I had some baseball background, I told him I did, and he let me work with the kids with fundamentals and straighten out his catchers throwing mechanics.

4. Kids learning the game at the 9th Grade level in High School at the earliest, there were some kids that were juniors and seniors who were coming out for baseball for the 1st time.

You are always going to have black athletes in the sport but they do not speak on these issues frankly because they dont relate to the kid in the inner-city programs (Griffey, Bonds, Upton, Wells, Willis) Sabathia was just trying to get some attention, I'll know he's serious when he goes over to East Tech or Glenville High School in Cleveland and donate some time.

Detroit has not produced a major-league player from the Public Schools since Todd Cruz played for the Orioles in the early 80's, the Public Schools had produced Hal Newhouser, Milt Pappas, Willie Horton, Alex Johnson, Bob Owchinko, Ted Sizemore, John Mayberry etc.....

Chicago? Kirby Puckett and Cliff Floyd, and Curtis Granderson came out of the suburbs of Chicago.

Philadelphia? Bobby Higginson?

Washington D.C. ? Maury Wills was probably the last one.

New York City? Shawon Dunston, Alex Arias and Manny Ramirez, a city of 8 million can only produce this?

There are Baseball players black and white in the inner cities. The scouts are not looking for kids in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Boston, St. Louis or even New York City (Find me a current Major Leaguer that came out of any of those city league H.S. programs), but they will go to the suburbs in a heartbeat. ESPN should go to one of these cities and do a "Behind The Lines" about the lack of city programs producing major league baseball players.

Scouts stopped going into the cities because they feared for their safety, (Kirby Puckett) once they turned their backs on the talent in the inner city the kids turned their backs on the game and looked to other sports.

Currently coaching at an inner city school in Chicago, only one black player on my team and the rest are Hispanic. The rest of the black kids are basketball players. I am the only black coach in the school.........ironic huh?

Thoughts?
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