With the signing the other day of veteran ELLIS BURKS the BOSOX may have slid the final piece into the 2004 pennant race puzzle.
I see him as a big plus for them as part time player/DH
Any thoughts////
TRhit
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I'm still recovering from the early morning events last October. I'd rather not think about "them" just yet. Flashbacks!
TR,
I think Burks will be a good compliment to Ortiz in the DH spot. I don't think he will see much playing time in the OF. I think the signing of Nixon was a good omen. He is the kind of player we need on this team. Reminds me of a Belichick kind of player. BD
I think Burks will be a good compliment to Ortiz in the DH spot. I don't think he will see much playing time in the OF. I think the signing of Nixon was a good omen. He is the kind of player we need on this team. Reminds me of a Belichick kind of player. BD
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Burks will be a nice bat off the bench and occasional starter at DH when a LHP is starting. He will also be a threat in late game situations and will make the opposing manager think twice about bringing in a lefty to face Ortiz. A good signing and for cheap money too.
Hey guys sorry to spoil the moment, but it looks like the Yanks just got A-Rod
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"I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player"- John Kruk
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It is not a done deal and don't be surpised if the Red Sox get back in the picture and sweeten the pot--AROD would much rather play short dontcha think ---
It will be interesting to see how it all, plays out
TRhit
It is not a done deal and don't be surpised if the Red Sox get back in the picture and sweeten the pot--AROD would much rather play short dontcha think ---
It will be interesting to see how it all, plays out
TRhit
Start spreadin' the news.....
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we had to respond after all the Sox got Ellis Burks..hahahahahahahaha
Sorry, I just can't help myself.
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Sorry, I just can't help myself.
Conserve fuel...starve a terrorist!
BTW, how are they feeling over at Shea right about now?
Conserve fuel...starve a terrorist!
Conserve fuel...starve a terrorist!
nj
Dont worry about over at Shea---they have very quietly been doing some nice things
TRhit
Dont worry about over at Shea---they have very quietly been doing some nice things
TRhit
TR:
Yeah I agree but they blew it when he was originally available...they should have bit the bullet and gave him the $18M he wanted...ticket sales would have offset a good portion of it. Now they are playing catch up and are very much viewed as the poor relations who happen to be in the same town.I predict they do less than 1.25M in attendance this year...in this town that ain't good.
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Yeah I agree but they blew it when he was originally available...they should have bit the bullet and gave him the $18M he wanted...ticket sales would have offset a good portion of it. Now they are playing catch up and are very much viewed as the poor relations who happen to be in the same town.I predict they do less than 1.25M in attendance this year...in this town that ain't good.
Conserve fuel...starve a terrorist!
The A-Rod deal is not done yet. Like TR said, the Sox will now get back into it. I'm sure A-Rosd wants to play short and not third. Nomar is still not signed yet and the Sox are not done with this yet. Watch...........
Do you think Jeter got an early start to his morning today and took a few extra groundballs?
Coach C
Did you read Fungo's great post Friday about
cheating and lying? From what I know....Jeter has been very successful at it for many, many years......
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Did you read Fungo's great post Friday about
cheating and lying? From what I know....Jeter has been very successful at it for many, many years......
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where was the post you are refering to?
Coach
It is in the general forum:
There must be 101 ways of cheating in baseball
started by Chapo
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It is in the general forum:
There must be 101 ways of cheating in baseball
started by Chapo
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I took a look at it and I really don't know how to respond.
Just like the best magicians, a great cheater never tells his tricks.
Sometimes cheating is only a matter of taking advantage of those who are simply unaware, for instance, the two man umpiring system.
I'm really having a good laugh thinking about all things to write, but in better judgement I'll just wear my grin rather than share it.
Back to the ARod deal. He may say he'll play thrid just to get the heck out of Dodge, but he's the best SS in the game and he knows it. he also loves the media attention. We'll see how well that friendship develops.
Who do think will be doing Mastercard commercials with the BOSS?
Just like the best magicians, a great cheater never tells his tricks.
Sometimes cheating is only a matter of taking advantage of those who are simply unaware, for instance, the two man umpiring system.
I'm really having a good laugh thinking about all things to write, but in better judgement I'll just wear my grin rather than share it.
Back to the ARod deal. He may say he'll play thrid just to get the heck out of Dodge, but he's the best SS in the game and he knows it. he also loves the media attention. We'll see how well that friendship develops.
Who do think will be doing Mastercard commercials with the BOSS?
I think you've missed my point.
I'll just grin, too
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I'll just grin, too
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Put yourself in A-Rod's shoes. Your friend Derek kids you about the number of world series rings he has. How can you top that? By going to Boston and being a big part of the team that breaks the most famous curse in sports. Winning the series with Boston would be worth more than anything the Yankees could give you. It would be epic.
If I were A-Rod I would try really hard to get to Boston.
If I were A-Rod I would try really hard to get to Boston.
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If I were A-Rod I would try really hard to get to Boston
You've got to be kidding.
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No Chill, I fully get your point. That was really a great post by Fungo. Extremely well thought out and even better written.
As much as I can despise the institution of the Yankees, I can not deny my admiration for Jeter. He really is a model for other pros.
I'm just very curious as to see how A-Rod handles the change. I'm sure Jeter could care less about who is in the commercials with the BOSS and who get's the most soundbites on ESPN. But what happens when Jeter remains NY's golden boy and A-Rod still has to play second fiddle over at the Hot Corner. How does A-Rod handle it all?
Will he suck it up all in the name of World Series ring?
To be continued on some late October night...
As much as I can despise the institution of the Yankees, I can not deny my admiration for Jeter. He really is a model for other pros.
I'm just very curious as to see how A-Rod handles the change. I'm sure Jeter could care less about who is in the commercials with the BOSS and who get's the most soundbites on ESPN. But what happens when Jeter remains NY's golden boy and A-Rod still has to play second fiddle over at the Hot Corner. How does A-Rod handle it all?
Will he suck it up all in the name of World Series ring?
To be continued on some late October night...
For the cost of your season tickets in Texas you could probably get two tickets in the bleachers for a weekend series at Fenway between the Sox and the Yankees.
Maybe you'd have enough left over for a 10 oz. water down draft too.
Maybe you'd have enough left over for a 10 oz. water down draft too.
Coach,Here is the 2004 Texas Rangers!!!
Come watch Kenny Rogers & Eric Young Argue over who's Wheelchair is Faster!
The 1st 10,000 Fans 40 and over will receive a Free Tryout With The Club and most likely a Roster Spot.....Chan Ho Spare
We have 16oz Plastic Bottle's Here............Yeaaa ahh
Coach i have been to Fenway,never to Yankee Stadium.
Down here it's all about Fun,nuthing wrong with that........
Come watch Kenny Rogers & Eric Young Argue over who's Wheelchair is Faster!
The 1st 10,000 Fans 40 and over will receive a Free Tryout With The Club and most likely a Roster Spot.....Chan Ho Spare
We have 16oz Plastic Bottle's Here............Yeaaa ahh
Coach i have been to Fenway,never to Yankee Stadium.
Down here it's all about Fun,nuthing wrong with that........
I am a big Boston fan and even a bigger Nomar fan. In my opinion, A-Rod would not have been a good fit at Boston. Nomar needed to stay at short, although, I think if A-Rod would have gone to Boston, Nomar would have moved without any argument. He does not have the ego A-rod and Jitter have. IF NY wins and wins big, sales tickets, Jitter and A-Rod will get along, If not, look for Jitter to be moved out by the end of year. A-Rod never fit at Texas, only money put him there. And money took him away. Nomar, in my opinion, is old school. Baseball first, he will re-sign with Sox.
He does not have the ego A-rod and Jitter have.....
Thanks for the chuckle...
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Thanks for the chuckle...
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AHSBB:
You are entitled to believe in or speculate on anything you desire. Jitter as you call him, may not be the best SS but in watching him over the past 7 years I dare say, no one not even the great Nomar is as good in the clutch nor more of a team player. All he does is win, yeah I know, the team is great, Steinbrenner, blah, blah...day in day out he hustles and plays to win.
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You are entitled to believe in or speculate on anything you desire. Jitter as you call him, may not be the best SS but in watching him over the past 7 years I dare say, no one not even the great Nomar is as good in the clutch nor more of a team player. All he does is win, yeah I know, the team is great, Steinbrenner, blah, blah...day in day out he hustles and plays to win.
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Because of my location, the middle of CT, I am able to see both Jeter and Nomar on a regular basis-- I won't include Arod in this comparison because I have not seen him as I have seen the other two.
Both Derek and Nomar hustle on every play; both are clutch players; both have great egos but are excellent leaders; both are excellent in the field.
I would take either one if they were offered to me as a coach.
Based on A-Rod's stats and history I think he is rates up there with them-- after this season and being able to see all three, especially during the EMPIRE vs Boston games we will see how A-Rod measures up and handles the pressure of the bright lights.
It will be interesting to see what happens and A-Rod, the married man, is seen out late with his buddy Derek. The Bachelor. The NY media will have a field day
The Bright Lights can be tough
Only time will tell
By the way I like the Red Sox to win the AL East--I think their pitching will be the difference and adding a Gold Glove at second base in Pokey is a great move.
TRhit
Both Derek and Nomar hustle on every play; both are clutch players; both have great egos but are excellent leaders; both are excellent in the field.
I would take either one if they were offered to me as a coach.
Based on A-Rod's stats and history I think he is rates up there with them-- after this season and being able to see all three, especially during the EMPIRE vs Boston games we will see how A-Rod measures up and handles the pressure of the bright lights.
It will be interesting to see what happens and A-Rod, the married man, is seen out late with his buddy Derek. The Bachelor. The NY media will have a field day
The Bright Lights can be tough
Only time will tell
By the way I like the Red Sox to win the AL East--I think their pitching will be the difference and adding a Gold Glove at second base in Pokey is a great move.
TRhit
I do have to say that as I look across the majors a few teams have assmebled some very talented starting rotations.
Imagine rolling into Wrigley for a three game set and having to face Wood, Prior and Maddux
How about Houston?
I will say the Yankees have three very quality starters Mussina, Brown and Vasquez. I still think Brown has the best stuff in the majors and that Vasquez will establish himself this year as one the premier top 10 pitchers in the game.
But, I really think that if I had to come to Fenway for three games and face Martinez, Schilling and then Lowe, that one of two things would happen. My slump would continue or my hot streak would end.
That is a dominant three
Imagine rolling into Wrigley for a three game set and having to face Wood, Prior and Maddux
How about Houston?
I will say the Yankees have three very quality starters Mussina, Brown and Vasquez. I still think Brown has the best stuff in the majors and that Vasquez will establish himself this year as one the premier top 10 pitchers in the game.
But, I really think that if I had to come to Fenway for three games and face Martinez, Schilling and then Lowe, that one of two things would happen. My slump would continue or my hot streak would end.
That is a dominant three
Coach C
Looking at the Cubs move in Maddux I see a gain for their young arms--Prior, Wood, Clement and Zambrano-- that money cannot buy-- just having Maddux in the clubhouse and on the bench with them makes them better before they throw a pitch-- imagine the wealth of knowledge that Maddux has to impart to those young pitchers.
What do you think?
I also have to hold Brown as a question mark--only one solid year out of the last three and Vasquez has to show he can do it on the big stage
TRhit
Looking at the Cubs move in Maddux I see a gain for their young arms--Prior, Wood, Clement and Zambrano-- that money cannot buy-- just having Maddux in the clubhouse and on the bench with them makes them better before they throw a pitch-- imagine the wealth of knowledge that Maddux has to impart to those young pitchers.
What do you think?
I also have to hold Brown as a question mark--only one solid year out of the last three and Vasquez has to show he can do it on the big stage
TRhit
Sandpile Theory Prediction: Yankees will cave under their own mass this season. It will be one of the unhappiest locker rooms in the MLB.
"Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know."
"Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know."
TRhit- I have to argue with a couple comments you made about Nomar and Jeter. Jeter is absolutely a clutch player, and Nomar is not. The stretch run last year showed that. September was the worst month of his career offensively and he did nothing in the playoffs. A number of things, such as the upcoming marriage, may have affected him, but who knows.
Also, Nomar is not a leader in the clubhouse. He keeps to himself most of the time, and the only leading he does is on the field. There is nothing wrong with him keeping to himself in the clubhouse because hes not a natural leader. I am a diehard Red Sox fan and I love watching Nomar play. He hustles and opitimizes the way a player should play-100% effort all the time.
NHbaseball
Also, Nomar is not a leader in the clubhouse. He keeps to himself most of the time, and the only leading he does is on the field. There is nothing wrong with him keeping to himself in the clubhouse because hes not a natural leader. I am a diehard Red Sox fan and I love watching Nomar play. He hustles and opitimizes the way a player should play-100% effort all the time.
NHbaseball
Nomar, Jeter, A-Rod...
From a numbers and production standpoint, clearly A-Rod is the supreme player. And that's with not much else around him. Imgaine how many more RBI chances he'll have with NY?
But Jeter really does provide many intangibles on top of his fine offensive skill and very consistent defensive play.
Nomar is a fun player to watch. He does many exciting things, plays a great short. He may also be the best bad ball hitter in the game. He swings at more **** off the plate than anyone in the game, and yet still hits .320.
And while Jeter was out using his mastercard in clubs with the Boss, Nomar did marry Mia Hamm, that's got to give Nomar some points.
It is tough to argue with the fact that Jeter may be as big of a clutch player in the majors. His playoff and september numbers prove that when compared to Nomar. I'd like to compare them to A-rod's sept./playoff numbers but when you play for a team whose ERA is above 6.00 you're not going to have many playoff numbers.
As to whose the better player, we should be able to answer that in late October
From a numbers and production standpoint, clearly A-Rod is the supreme player. And that's with not much else around him. Imgaine how many more RBI chances he'll have with NY?
But Jeter really does provide many intangibles on top of his fine offensive skill and very consistent defensive play.
Nomar is a fun player to watch. He does many exciting things, plays a great short. He may also be the best bad ball hitter in the game. He swings at more **** off the plate than anyone in the game, and yet still hits .320.
And while Jeter was out using his mastercard in clubs with the Boss, Nomar did marry Mia Hamm, that's got to give Nomar some points.It is tough to argue with the fact that Jeter may be as big of a clutch player in the majors. His playoff and september numbers prove that when compared to Nomar. I'd like to compare them to A-rod's sept./playoff numbers but when you play for a team whose ERA is above 6.00 you're not going to have many playoff numbers.
As to whose the better player, we should be able to answer that in late October
I think we can safely say that if we were offered one of the three, we had no choice just given the player, we would gladly take any one of them to start a team.
I know I would be
TRhit
I know I would be
TRhit
I think the general concensus for some time is that Arod is perhaps the best...but he's been home on the couch in late October for the last 3 years.
I agree with TR....these 3 shortstops are fabulous. I'm not sure why we have the hang-up about who is best...All three bring alot to the table.
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I agree with TR....these 3 shortstops are fabulous. I'm not sure why we have the hang-up about who is best...All three bring alot to the table.
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Let me add:
Today's Sunday Globe article by Gord Edes is entertaining...
So far, I have heard that Sorianno will:
1. Play 2nd, Young moved to ss
2. Move to the outfield
3. Get traded to the Dodgers
4. Get traded to the Mets for Reyes
5. Play ss for Texas
What will it be?
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By the time you learn how to play the game...
You can't play it anymore ~ Frank Howard
Today's Sunday Globe article by Gord Edes is entertaining...
So far, I have heard that Sorianno will:
1. Play 2nd, Young moved to ss
2. Move to the outfield
3. Get traded to the Dodgers
4. Get traded to the Mets for Reyes
5. Play ss for Texas
What will it be?
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quote:
Originally posted by Chill:
Let me add:
Today's Sunday Globe article by Gord Edes is entertaining...
So far, I have heard that Sorianno will:
1. Play 2nd, Young moved to ss
2. Move to the outfield
3. Get traded to the Dodgers
4. Get traded to the Mets for Reyes
5. Play ss for Texas
What will it be?
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You can't play it anymore ~ Frank Howard
If the playoffs were any indication... the answer is...
Srike out on fastballs up in his eyes a lot
cong
"In baseball, you don't know nothing." - Yogi
Hey Cong
Lets look at Arod' and Sorianno's 2003 numbers:
Arod is 1
Soriano is 2
Games
1 161
2 156
At Bats
1 607
2 682
Runs
1 124
2 114
Hits
1 181
2 198
2B
1 30
2 36
3B
1 6
2 5
HR
1 47
2 38
RBI's
1 118
2 91
SB
1 17
2 35
Avg.
1 .298
2 .290
Slg.
1 .600
2 .525
OB%
1 .396
2 .338
Supposedly the best in baseball today...
vs. a kid who everybody wants to take shots at.
Give me a break.
Experience = mistakes.
He learns plate discipline in the next year or two<w/ more experience> and Texas wins with this trade.
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By the time you learn how to play the game...
You can't play it anymore ~ Frank Howard
Lets look at Arod' and Sorianno's 2003 numbers:
Arod is 1
Soriano is 2
Games
1 161
2 156
At Bats
1 607
2 682
Runs
1 124
2 114
Hits
1 181
2 198
2B
1 30
2 36
3B
1 6
2 5
HR
1 47
2 38
RBI's
1 118
2 91
SB
1 17
2 35
Avg.
1 .298
2 .290
Slg.
1 .600
2 .525
OB%
1 .396
2 .338
Supposedly the best in baseball today...
vs. a kid who everybody wants to take shots at.
Give me a break.
Experience = mistakes.
He learns plate discipline in the next year or two<w/ more experience> and Texas wins with this trade.
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Chill-
Those numbers are amazing.
Now, put salary figures next to each and ask yourself which player provides more value!
Wow.
Those numbers are amazing.
Now, put salary figures next to each and ask yourself which player provides more value!
Wow.
Chill,
Chill Note the emoticon at the end of my statement.... It means the statement is to be taken light heartedly
Soriano has the tools to be one of the great ones. Will he learn dicipline at the plate? I hope he does for his sake. But he is not the "kid" anymore, since it has been disclosed that he is actually 28, not 26.
cong
"In baseball, you don't know nothing." - Yogi
Chill
Note the emoticon at the end of my statement.... It means the statement is to be taken light heartedlySoriano has the tools to be one of the great ones. Will he learn dicipline at the plate? I hope he does for his sake. But he is not the "kid" anymore, since it has been disclosed that he is actually 28, not 26.
cong
"In baseball, you don't know nothing." - Yogi
