Pray for the victims both dead and injured.
Pray for our country.
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Originally Posted by TPM:
Pray for the victims both dead and injured.
Pray for our country.
+1!
Originally Posted by FoxDad:
Originally Posted by TPM:
Pray for the victims both dead and injured.
Pray for our country.
+1!
+2!!
My thoughts and prayers go to the victims specifically.
I'll probably be excoriated for this, but I thought the Department of Homeland Security was supposed to protect us from all this?
Given the current political climate and intelligentsia, all we need to do now is have a multi-billion dollar investigation into all this and create a new department to make sure the Department of Homeland Security never lets this happen again. That will fix it I am sure (sarcasm off).
In the mean time, if CNN is wondering why they have no viewers, perhaps they might want to consider (when speculating) that the likely culprits are Islamic terrorists rather than white supremacists or the aryan brotherhood or other politically correct groups that it deems OK to criticize.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
My thoughts and prayers go to the victims specifically.
I'll probably be excoriated for this, but I thought the Department of Homeland Security was supposed to protect us from all this?
Given the current political climate and intelligentsia, all we need to do now is have a multi-billion dollar investigation into all this and create a new department to make sure the Department of Homeland Security never lets this happen again. That will fix it I am sure (sarcasm off).
In the mean time, if CNN is wondering why they have no viewers, perhaps they might want to consider (when speculating) that the likely culprits are Islamic terrorists rather than white supremacists or the aryan brotherhood or other politically correct groups that it deems OK to criticize.
Inappropriate.
What's inappropriate? If all news would focus on reporting facts rather than speculating and trying to create news we would all be better served.
Originally Posted by Tx-Husker:
What's inappropriate? If all news would focus on reporting facts rather than speculating and trying to create news we would all be better served.
The political statement in the second paragraph and the incorrect (and hypocritic) statement in the third, of which the only substantive statement I will make regarding this is that there are no indicators consistent with Muslim extremist attacks. That is not a be-all, end-all statement, but the indicators as of now would lead elsewhere.
Nothing should be concluded or ruled out yet. People need to let the investigators do their job.
Originally Posted by Tx-Husker:
Nothing should be concluded or ruled out yet. People need to let the investigators do their job.
The media isn't concluding or ruling out anything.
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
It was political the moment the bombs went off. We've been lectured for the last 4+ years that more government is better. We spent 100's of billions of dollars creating a new security department and yet we just saw another 9/11 style attack. I want to know why our government can't keep our citizens safe? A rhetorical question that ought to answer itself for a reasonable person. The government can't provide security. An evil-doer can always find the holes in the system. Likewise, if people are concerned about their own personal security, the only protection they have is a gun. By the time the police show up, it's too late.
I apologize to the hsbbweb family for posting my honest feelings on this subject. The Boston bombing brings back all these feelings of rage that I've had ever since 9/11. I am not going to deny those feelings.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
It was political the moment the bombs went off. We've been lectured for the last 4+ years that more government is better. We spent 100's of billions of dollars creating a new security department and yet we just saw another 9/11 style attack. I want to know why our government can't keep our citizens safe? A rhetorical question that ought to answer itself for a reasonable person. The government can't provide security. An evil-doer can always find the holes in the system. Likewise, if people are concerned about their own personal security, the only protection they have is a gun. By the time the police show up, it's too late.
I apologize to the hsbbweb family for posting my honest feelings on this subject. The Boston bombing brings back all these feelings of rage that I've had ever since 9/11. I am not going to deny those feelings.
+1
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
It was political the moment the bombs went off. We've been lectured for the last 4+ years that more government is better. We spent 100's of billions of dollars creating a new security department and yet we just saw another 9/11 style attack. I want to know why our government can't keep our citizens safe? A rhetorical question that ought to answer itself for a reasonable person. The government can't provide security. An evil-doer can always find the holes in the system. Likewise, if people are concerned about their own personal security, the only protection they have is a gun. By the time the police show up, it's too late.
I apologize to the hsbbweb family for posting my honest feelings on this subject. The Boston bombing brings back all these feelings of rage that I've had ever since 9/11. I am not going to deny those feelings.
This is nothing like 9/11.
I love how you look at one incident and immediately discount the thousands that have been averted because of improvements in this area.
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
It IS appropriate and some in the media ARE trying to lead us to a domestic terrorist. That may well be true but no one knows anything yet.
I watched coverage on ABC yesterday, when the event was only hours old, and they were doing this. And today on FOX News, they had a guy doing the same thing.
The day of the Ft. Hood shooting, a VP from the large company I work for sent a company-wide e-mail urging us to not jump to conclusions and how horrible it would be for us to discriminate against Muslims when we don't know what's going on yet.
She did not send an e-mail of apology when she was proven wrong. She should have been fired but these large companies are so politically correct it's disgusting.
I'm tired of posts with parents crying about how bad their HS coach is so I don't read them anymore. You can do the same thing here.
How was she wrong? She did the same thing you are, asking people not to react without facts. In fact, she is still right--there should not be discrimination against Muslims.
I finally decided to get out an do something. I chose the wrong event. I figured I could take the train to the Apple store then meet friends in front to watch runners. We were a block and a half away from the second explosion. We immediately decided to get off Boylston Street. I was supposed to have an appointment at Mass General with a cardiologist today. It was rescheduled since they took half the victims.
After 9/11 I thought these small bombs going off in public would become a way of life as it is in Israel and other areas of the Middle East.
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
It was political the moment the bombs went off. We've been lectured for the last 4+ years that more government is better. We spent 100's of billions of dollars creating a new security department and yet we just saw another 9/11 style attack. I want to know why our government can't keep our citizens safe? A rhetorical question that ought to answer itself for a reasonable person. The government can't provide security. An evil-doer can always find the holes in the system. Likewise, if people are concerned about their own personal security, the only protection they have is a gun. By the time the police show up, it's too late.
I apologize to the hsbbweb family for posting my honest feelings on this subject. The Boston bombing brings back all these feelings of rage that I've had ever since 9/11. I am not going to deny those feelings.
This is nothing like 9/11.
I love how you look at one incident and immediately discount the thousands that have been averted because of improvements in this area.
Thousands averted? Says who? Obama? Lets see your data on that assertion Matt?
More importantly, there are reports that at least 3 are dead and perhaps as many as 30 people are missing at least one arm or leg. At least 175 injured. Maybe that isn't that big a deal to a liberal/know-it-all like you Matt, but that seems pretty awful to me.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
1,000,000% appropriate.
There are separate fora for political topics.
It was political the moment the bombs went off. We've been lectured for the last 4+ years that more government is better. We spent 100's of billions of dollars creating a new security department and yet we just saw another 9/11 style attack. I want to know why our government can't keep our citizens safe? A rhetorical question that ought to answer itself for a reasonable person. The government can't provide security. An evil-doer can always find the holes in the system. Likewise, if people are concerned about their own personal security, the only protection they have is a gun. By the time the police show up, it's too late.
I apologize to the hsbbweb family for posting my honest feelings on this subject. The Boston bombing brings back all these feelings of rage that I've had ever since 9/11. I am not going to deny those feelings.
This is nothing like 9/11.
I love how you look at one incident and immediately discount the thousands that have been averted because of improvements in this area.
Thousands averted? Says who? Obama? Lets see your data on that assertion Matt?
More importantly, there are reports that at least 3 are dead and perhaps as many as 30 people are missing at least one arm or leg. At least 175 injured. Maybe that isn't that big a deal to a liberal/know-it-all like you Matt, but that seems pretty awful to me.
Again with the personal attacks.
I do this for a living, champ.
Your attacks are always personal Matt.
You are the one discounting things and making assumptions. Who is to say thousands of attacks weren't being averted before the Department of Homeland Security was created? Two can play your game Matt. If you're saying that the thousands of attacks only stopped since then, why didn't we have thousands of attacks before then?
BTW - if this is your profession champ, why aren't you busy at work trying to find the ones who committed this attack? Maybe we need more government to watch whether or not people are doing their jobs.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Your attacks are always personal Matt.
Name one.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
You are the one discounting things and making assumptions. Who is to say thousands of attacks weren't being averted before the Department of Homeland Security was created? Two can play your game Matt. If you're saying that the thousands of attacks only stopped since then, why didn't we have thousands of attacks before then?
BTW - if this is your profession champ, why aren't you busy at work trying to find the ones who committed this attack? Maybe we need more government to watch whether or not people are doing their jobs.
BTW - if this is your profession champ, why aren't you busy at work trying to find the ones who committed this attack? Maybe we need more government to watch whether or not people are doing their jobs.
Not my jurisdiction.
Thoughts and prayers for all victims, their families and all those who may have been affected by the event yesterday.
Agree JH.
While there is no possible method to assess a difference in levels of loss or grief, the story of this marathon Father who arrived home last night having lost his 8 year old son, combined with his wife and young daughter being very, very severely injured, seems to be my way to somewhat grasp the losses and tragedy..Hopefully, the thoughts, efforts and support of millions might eventually lessen the heartbreak, at least slightly.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/...index.html?hpt=hp_t1
One of the local evening news anchors was near the finish line with her small children. Last night she said when the bombs went off she didn't consider herself a reporter for a second. She said she hit full mommy mode and got her kids out of there.
We are lucky that we live in a country where we can express our views openly and not be afraid to be punished.
My intent in this topic was not for political discussion, but rather to recognize and to acknowledge those that were killed, hurt or for those who lost loved ones in this horrible terror attack, regardless of WHO did it.
Thoughts and prayers to all the families and victims of this terrible tragedy. Hearing that one of the fatalities was an 8 year old boy was just sickening. So sad.
CD ... You will probably like this article ....
I had to go back into Boston to Mass General Hospital for a scheduled MRI. They were checking my head to see if there's anything there. Seriously, they're looking for stroke spots on my brain.
I took the train in town. At our suburban stop were state police, military and bomb diaposal. Rather than take three trains I took one and walked the last mile. I came above ground at Government Center. It's where city hall and a couple of federal buildings are located. For you tourists it's across from Quincy Market/Fanueil Hall. I never saw so many police (Boston, state and suburban) in my life. There were also SWAT teams and military. It's spooky to walk by soldiers with automatic weapons.
When I got to the hospital the scene was the same. There were more police, military and bomb disposal. When leaving I put down my iPad for a minute to adjust the music on my cell. A soldier with an automatic weapon told me to pick up my package/iPad and move along.
Its strange to see my city, which in this case is relatively safe even at night, armed like the military and ready to pounce.
Originally Posted by RJM:
CD ... You will probably like this article ....
My point exactly RJM.
When we got home I turned on the news. One of the first things I heard was a former Democrat appointee turned terrorist expert say, "It's probably a pro gun, right wing Constitutionalist who is upset about the upcoming vote."
It ticked me off to see an "expert" on tv in the middle of a disaster jumping to conclusions like that. Besides, I'm a pro gun, right wing Constitutionalist. As it turns out the bombing is right out of an al Qaeda magazine and has been done several times in the Miiddle East.
I told friends believe little of what you hear on the news for 24 hours. They would rather be first with a story than correct.
First arrest made ... May be more to follow ... FBI news conference coming
Arrest made in less than 48 hours doesn't exactly sound like epic intel failure to me. Sounds like some pretty good work.
Intel? A person carrying a bomb and shown placing it in a barrel was on a Lord & Taylor camera. He didn't wear a hood or a hat to conceal who he is. His face was in full view. Thankfully he's a moron. Unfortunately he's a murderer.
Originally Posted by RJM:
I finally decided to get out an do something. I chose the wrong event. I figured I could take the train to the Apple store then meet friends in front to watch runners. We were a block and a half away from the second explosion. We immediately decided to get off Boylston Street. I was supposed to have an appointment at Mass General with a cardiologist today. It was rescheduled since they took half the victims.
After 9/11 I thought these small bombs going off in public would become a way of life as it is in Israel and other areas of the Middle East.
Very glad to hear that you are ok. A couple of my close friends were there as well. Thankfully they're ok, but one of their friends was hit when the explosions went off. He's had a few surgeries and is still in serious condition.
The article from the American Thinker blamed intel for having a "wide open" case 36 hours after the event. Now there's an arrest (but reports seem to dispute that now). Doesn't quite seem right to me to blame intel for lack of an arrest but not give it credit for an arrest...not exactly an abject failure.
It doesn't take intel to see a person stupid enough to be on film and not disguised. The Boston police are saying there isn't an arrest. But a federal organization can take a foreign terrorist into custody without an arrest. So, who knows. There were bomb threats today at Brigham-Deaconess Hospital and the federal court house.
Update for Matt13 - it appears two brothers from Chechnya are the prime suspects and one of them has been shot dead. The region in Chechnya has strong ties to Al Qaeda in case you were unaware Matt. Moreover, this is an area where they can recruit Islamic terrorists who look more like Europeans than middle-easterners which is the next logical step for Al Qaeda. The brothers were wearing backwards baseball caps so they would look like the typical American teenager. Looks, like Al Qaeda, smells like Al Qaeda, walks like Al Qaeda. The attack was launched on Patriots day at an event designed to cause maximum terror across America. Sounds like a 9/11 style attack to me.
You keep looking for those right-wingers who are opposed to paying taxes in your "district" Matt. Keep us all safe that way.
Lets wait for details. If there was a terrorist backing they would not have been robbing a 7/11 for funds.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Update for Matt13 - it appears two brothers from Chechnya are the prime suspects and one of them has been shot dead. The region in Chechnya has strong ties to Al Qaeda in case you were unaware Matt. Moreover, this is an area where they can recruit Islamic terrorists who look more like Europeans than middle-easterners which is the next logical step for Al Qaeda. The brothers were wearing backwards baseball caps so they would look like the typical American teenager. Looks, like Al Qaeda, smells like Al Qaeda, walks like Al Qaeda. The attack was launched on Patriots day at an event designed to cause maximum terror across America. Sounds like a 9/11 style attack to me.
You keep looking for those right-wingers who are opposed to paying taxes in your "district" Matt. Keep us all safe that way.
Immaturity and ignorance strike again.
Did you see that the mother of the suspects was arrested for shoplifting $1200 worth of clothing from Lord & Taylor about a year ago? And it was a Lord & Taylor street camera that caught the suspects on video!
I though that was an interesting, but meaningless tidbit.
It is a perverse world we live in where the media trots out "expert" after "expert" to allude to the likelihood that some conservative constitutionalist, who is not happy we have a black president and is of course a republican and racist, would likely be the culprit in the Boston Marathon attack. Slate magazine openly wished that the perpetrator would be a conservative white male. CNN yesterday said it was probably a white conservative marking Hitler's birthday.
I can not help but note the scripture that proclaims that "in those days people will call evil good and good will be known as evil".
I had to return to the hospital yesterday. I was held overnight for observation. At 8am I was told I could go home as soon as the release paperwork is done. The problem is the hospital is in lockdown. No one is being released and allowed to leave. My roommates wife came in this morning. She isnt allowed to leave. Even if I could leave train service is suspended and cabs aren't allowed to pick up fares.
RJM:
Hope you are ok and are released soon. 4thGen's school is on lockdown and their ball game this afternoon has been postponed. No word yet on their DH tomorrow.