BSF, bench, & pain

for the whole situation, what was in the e-mail you sent to the coach. Coaches worry a player will try to get out of work, he is likely coming in trying to change things a bit to make everyone better. He doesn't know who to push yet, he is still learning and feeling his players out as well. As far as the pain with the lifting, your son did good standing up for himself, don't worry to much about the coach pushing at this time, coaches do that. Seems like your son has a good head on his shoulders, but always remember after he shows coach he works hard, there always has to be a give and take. After coach gets to know the players things get better.

Thanks, Zeus. That does make me feel better. All I did in the email was apologize for not letting them know earlier. I didn't say anything about my concerns - didn't want to make things worse for my player. He did handle things fine and I'll just stay out of it. Thanks again.

PM me details and I can offer advice. Thanks!

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Originally posted by 2Bmom:
Hi, S&C folks. (original post edited for way too much information...you can pm me if you want to know the story)

Is it OK to max on bench press when you have elbow pain? Or, for that matter, max on squats if you have knee or back pain? Is it ever acceptable for coaches to pressure players to do so?

Thanks.

With all the machines that you have to work your legs on, I never understand why people risk injury working their legs with free weights. Even when they use the free weights they do the exercise improperly increasing the risk of injury. Too much weight, wrong technique, etc...

If you use the machines I feel you decrease the risk of injury significantly, but you still need to use the proper weight and technique with your leg action.

As for the bench press, the same thing goes. I'm a firm believer most injuries in the gym happen from poor form and overtraining.

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With all the machines that you have to work your legs on, I never understand why people risk injury working their legs with free weights. Even when they use the free weights they do the exercise improperly increasing the risk of injury. Too much weight, wrong technique, etc...

If you use the machines I feel you decrease the risk of injury significantly, but you still need to use the proper weight and technique with your leg action.

As for the bench press, the same thing goes. I'm a firm believer most injuries in the gym happen from poor form and overtraining.

And so castles made of sand, slips into the sea. Eventually.

I understand your point about poor technique, it's certainly a major issue, but machines are not safe by any means.

They promote improper movement patterns, neurological patterning, insufficient stabilizer recruitment and poor posture. This will lead to poor performance and increase chance of injury.

In addition they have very little carryover to sports.

The bottom line is learn proper technique of exercises and leave your ego at the door. 90% of injuries are simply putting too much weight on the bar.

Max lifts when experiencing pain is a bad idea. Max lifts, when healthy, serve a purpose of establishing a base level of strength and then retesting max strength at a later date to establish strength gains from ones training program.

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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:

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With all the machines that you have to work your legs on, I never understand why people risk injury working their legs with free weights. Even when they use the free weights they do the exercise improperly increasing the risk of injury. Too much weight, wrong technique, etc...

If you use the machines I feel you decrease the risk of injury significantly, but you still need to use the proper weight and technique with your leg action.

As for the bench press, the same thing goes. I'm a firm believer most injuries in the gym happen from poor form and overtraining.

And so castles made of sand, slips into the sea. Eventually.

I understand your point about poor technique, it's certainly a major issue, but machines are not safe by any means.

They promote improper movement patterns, neurological patterning, insufficient stabilizer recruitment and poor posture. This will lead to poor performance and increase chance of injury.

In addition they have very little carryover to sports.

The bottom line is learn proper technique of exercises and leave your ego at the door. 90% of injuries are simply putting too much weight on the bar.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't really mean machines, ie Nautilaus. I was taking about equipment that allows for the use of free weights. I sure you know I'm what I talking about exercises with these should be done properly to reduce injury and get the desired results, also. I agree you get more out of it for sports training with free weights and the bar or any movement for that matter.

I guess I get paranoid thinking that it's so much easier to injure your back, even if you're doing the exercise right. That's why I've always stuck with these type of workouts. Plus, cardio workouts seem to get my legs about where I need them at my age.

I suppose the point I was really trying to get across is (for me at least) if you're hurt, is use some type lifting other than free weights, so you won't have do all the stablizing. However, I hate to give injured people advice because that is not my field of expertise.

Agreed Jon, too many lifters try to compete in the gym. They pay for it later in life, IMO.

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I understand where you're coming from. I don't really mean machines, ie Nautilaus. I was taking about equipment that allows for the use of free weights. I sure you know I'm what I talking about exercises with these should be done properly to reduce injury and get the desired results, also. I agree you get more out of it for sports training with free weights and the bar or any movement for that matter.

I guess I get paranoid thinking that it's so much easier to injure your back, even if you're doing the exercise right. That's why I've always stuck with these type of workouts. Plus, cardio workouts seem to get my legs about where I need them at my age.

I suppose the point I was really trying to get across is (for me at least) if you're hurt, is use some type lifting other than free weights, so you won't have do all the stablizing. However, I hate to give injured people advice because that is not my field of expertise.

Agreed Jon, too many lifters try to compete in the gym. They pay for it later in life, IMO.

Jimi,

I agree that they certainly pay for it later in life!

Hi, guys. Thanks for this discussion. Just an update on the situation. New Coach and 2B seem to be getting along OK, and I am staying out of it. . He's just doing lower body and core work for now. He's maxing for the BFS baselines when coach asks him to, but on his own uses primarily free weights with the techniques that he learned in a baseball-specific program over the summer (concentrating on full range of motion and explosiveness). He and is scheduled to see the doc in early December to look at the arm, but it's already feeling better. 2B is used to earning his stripes on the field, rather than in the weight room, so it's been kind of awkward with the new coach not believing at first that he was hurt. But he handled it well, and it's a good learning experience for all of us. I'm hoping for the best in the spring.

Thanks again for your insights.