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Old rules stand:

Limit of 30 outs and 3 appearances in a calendar week, beginning Monday.  Re-entry into the same game after throwing a pitch counts as an appearance.  

New rules added:

1-30 pitches: 0 days rest required

31-50 pitches: 1 days rest required

51-75 pitches: 2 days rest required

76+ pitches: 3 days rest required

Freshman, F/S, J/V: 90 pitches max per contest

Varsity: 110 pitches max per contest

A.          A pitcher may finish the current batter if the Maximum Contest Pitch Limit is reached during that at-bat.
B.          Pitches thrown and appearances made in a no game (i.e., rainout, power failure, etc.) shall count toward the totals.
C.          At the end of each half inning, the head coaches will confirm and both team books will record the pitch count for all pitchers who threw a pitch in that half inning. In the case of a discrepancy, the home book is considered the official book.
D.          Each school must keep a record of all pitches thrown by each of their players in each game and make this available to their respective Section Office upon request.
E.          Any violation constitutes a forfeit of the contest.

Questions & Answers:

 Q: If a pitch count mechanism is used that is visible to both teams, do the coaches still need to confirm the pitch count every half inning?

A: No. If the mechanism (i.e. scoreboard add-on, flip chart behind home plate, etc.) can be seen by both teams, the coaches may use that as verification of the pitch count.

 Q: How is a day of rest defined?
A: A day of rest is defined as a calendar day. For example, if a pitcher throws 76 or more pitches in a Monday game thus requiring three-days rest before being allowed to pitch again, those days of rest would be Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday allowing that pitcher to pitch again on Friday.

Q: If a pitcher exceeds the maximum number of allowable pitches with respect to the required days of rest while finishing a batter, how are the required number of rest days calculated?
A: The required days of rest is determined by the actual number of pitches thrown. For example, if a pitcher starts a batter with 48 pitches, finishes the batter with 53 pitches and is then removed from the game, that pitcher would be required to rest for two days before making another appearance.

Q: What, if any role, do the umpires play in the confirmation and recording of the pitch count after each half inning?
A: The umpires are asked to ensure that the teams are exchanging the required information but the actual recording of the pitch count is up to the head coach from each school.

Q: If an intentional walk is issued to the batter and no pitches are delivered to home plate, are those pitches counted towards the pitcher’s total number?
A: No. Those pitches would not count towards the pitcher’s total number

Q: In the case of balk, when does a pitch count towards the pitcher’s total number?
A: A pitch would only count if the ball is delivered to the batter.

Q: If a batter is awarded timeout by the umpire but the pitcher still delivers the ball to the batter, does that pitch count towards the pitcher’s total number?
A: No. That pitch would not count towards the pitcher’s total number.

Q: Does the Pitch Count reset each Monday like the 30 Out Rule?
A: No. While the 30 Out Rule will reset each Monday, the Pitch Count Rule will not. For example, if a pitcher throws 76+ pitches in a game on Saturday, they would have to rest on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday before being eligible to pitch again on Wednesday.

Q: May the same pitcher appear in two different games on the same day?
A: Yes. However, they may only do so if they threw 30 pitches or less in the first game and are not required to rest. Also, they may not throw more than 110 pitches total for the day.

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hsbaseball101 posted:

Verbal/visual confirmation between coaches on pitch counts should suffice.  This can happen when a coach goes to the 3B box.  Records must be kept but only need be made available to the section office upon request, not to any team who wishes to have your records.  

I thought I saw in another thread about a Socal  section that the counts needed to be posted on MaxPreps?

If not it could create some interesting situations. Let's say you have coach in your league that you know is capable of skating on the rules. What if on Thursday he uses a pitcher in relief against another team, and he goes 31 pitches, and then coach puts the guy on the hill again against your team on Friday?   And you know it, because you're friends with the coach of the team he played Thursday.   Do you do right by the kid and stop the game before the violation occurs?  Or do you let him go, protest if you lose the game, and get the win by forfeit?

JCG posted:
hsbaseball101 posted:

Verbal/visual confirmation between coaches on pitch counts should suffice.  This can happen when a coach goes to the 3B box.  Records must be kept but only need be made available to the section office upon request, not to any team who wishes to have your records.  

I thought I saw in another thread about a Socal  section that the counts needed to be posted on MaxPreps?

If not it could create some interesting situations. Let's say you have coach in your league that you know is capable of skating on the rules. What if on Thursday he uses a pitcher in relief against another team, and he goes 31 pitches, and then coach puts the guy on the hill again against your team on Friday?   And you know it, because you're friends with the coach of the team he played Thursday.   Do you do right by the kid and stop the game before the violation occurs?  Or do you let him go, protest if you lose the game, and get the win by forfeit?

There's nothing written down that I've seen that says you have to enter pitch counts into maxpreps, although it might be in a coach's handout from CIF.  I don't get the e-mails since I'm a volunteer coach, but I've heard from last year that you're requested/required to enter stats.  

JCG posted:
hsbaseball101 posted:

Verbal/visual confirmation between coaches on pitch counts should suffice.  This can happen when a coach goes to the 3B box.  Records must be kept but only need be made available to the section office upon request, not to any team who wishes to have your records.  

I thought I saw in another thread about a Socal  section that the counts needed to be posted on MaxPreps?

If not it could create some interesting situations. Let's say you have coach in your league that you know is capable of skating on the rules. What if on Thursday he uses a pitcher in relief against another team, and he goes 31 pitches, and then coach puts the guy on the hill again against your team on Friday?   And you know it, because you're friends with the coach of the team he played Thursday.   Do you do right by the kid and stop the game before the violation occurs?  Or do you let him go, protest if you lose the game, and get the win by forfeit?

I would think few coaches would want to be thought of as the coach who wins like that, however if it was an important game perhaps??? Framing it as "protecting the player" is never going to be warmly received by the team whose player you are protecting...especially by the opponent!

JCG posted:
hsbaseball101 posted:

Verbal/visual confirmation between coaches on pitch counts should suffice.  This can happen when a coach goes to the 3B box.  Records must be kept but only need be made available to the section office upon request, not to any team who wishes to have your records.  

I thought I saw in another thread about a Socal  section that the counts needed to be posted on MaxPreps?

If not it could create some interesting situations. Let's say you have coach in your league that you know is capable of skating on the rules. What if on Thursday he uses a pitcher in relief against another team, and he goes 31 pitches, and then coach puts the guy on the hill again against your team on Friday?   And you know it, because you're friends with the coach of the team he played Thursday.   Do you do right by the kid and stop the game before the violation occurs?  Or do you let him go, protest if you lose the game, and get the win by forfeit?

Depends on how good the kid is.  The rules are also to make games more competitive.  If the kid is throwing 90 I'll speak up before game.  If he's throwing 60 we'll play it through and protest if we lose.  

JCG posted:

I thought I saw in another thread about a Socal  section that the counts needed to be posted on MaxPreps?

 

People not familiar with Ca may not understand that there are 10 sections. Each section is obligated to follow the CIF Constitution and Bylaws, but each has very wide power to modify them. They can add requirements but not take them away, and to some degree the same goes for leagues. So, it is very possible a section or league may require posting the numbers on MaxPreps while other sections or leagues don’t. Our league has posted stats for at least 10 years and most of the 160+ teams in the section do as well.

 

If not it could create some interesting situations. Let's say you have coach in your league that you know is capable of skating on the rules. What if on Thursday he uses a pitcher in relief against another team, and he goes 31 pitches, and then coach puts the guy on the hill again against your team on Friday?   And you know it, because you're friends with the coach of the team he played Thursday.   Do you do right by the kid and stop the game before the violation occurs?  Or do you let him go, protest if you lose the game, and get the win by forfeit?

 

I’ve still not been given the rule or how it was going to be applied, but here’s what I’m guessing I’ll be doing as the team SK. I already pull the team stats from MP for every team we play that posts them, which is all but 1 or 2 every season. So for me it’s not gonna take more than a minutes to get the date and # of pitches for every pitcher on the team, and I’ll immediately notify our coach if/when I see a violation and he can deal with it however he pleases.

 

Also, since I know most of the coaches of all the teams we play and am on pretty good terms with them, I’ll be e-mailing them at least the day before with a list of all our pitchers, the last date they pitched, and the # of pitches.

 

Is there gonna be problems? I’m sure there will, but my guess is if there’s a problem it’s not gonna be intentional. The main reason for that is we’ve had the most restrictive pitcher limits (30 outs per calendar week) for well over a decade, and most people are used to keeping overuse/abuse to a minimum.

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