My 2017 is considering computer science or computer engineering as a major. Good to know that these skills are valued by at least one major league club.
(I guess I should say "allegedly".)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06...astros-fbi.html?_r=0
But seriously, really? I mean for starters, didn't they get the news that the Astros are in the AL now? Or that they stank for 99% of their years in the NL?
Replies sorted oldest to newest
Ahhh..those darn cardinals. that could explain the Cubbies years of losing records. Someone check the ivy for a different kind of "Bug.' 
did the Patriots buy the Cardinals recently?
If this is true, they need to put the hammer down. This is a complete joke, and I hope someone goes to jail...
"The Cardinal Way"
One really has to wonder what was going to be the accomplishment of doing what has been alleged.The cards have been a well run org. going back before any computer hacking.
So this guy Luhnow leaves the Cards in 2011 and they haven't won the World Series since meanwhile the Astros have gone from a 106 game loser to a up and coming contender with a stocked farm system.
Cards have been and continue to be a well run organization but if Mr. Luhnow was really good at his job, which it appears he is why would it be a surprise to find out that someone would try to get at his data/analysis.
I have often wondered how much of this cloak and dagger stuff goes on around draft time as teams try to get an idea on what other teams think of various prospects. Not just baseball but football as well. Basketball has less mystery to it than either of the other two. They are even making movies about it. When you consider the cost of a miss vs. a hit at the top of the draft the stakes are really high.
Imagine a world where Derek Jeter is drafted by the Expos at #3 rather than BJ Wallace 1992 instead of #6 by the Yanks. Is it possible the Nats don't exist? Yanks never have the late 90's dynasty?
What law was broken?
What law was broken?
Apparently it rained, the umpires wouldn't call strikes on the black, and the snackshack ran out of seeds.
...ooops. Wrong thread. My bad. Never mind.
What law was broken?
Apparently it rained, the umpires wouldn't call strikes on the black, and the snackshack ran out of seeds.
...ooops. Wrong thread. My bad. Never mind.
What law was broken?
From the article:
The attack would represent the first known case of corporate espionage in which a professional sports team hacked the network of another team. Illegal intrusions into companies’ networks have become commonplace, but they are generally conducted by hackers operating in foreign countries, like Russia and China, who steal large tranches of data or trade secrets for military equipment and electronics.
From Wikipedia on Corporate Espionage:
Criminalizes the misappropriation of trade secrets related to or included in a product that is produced for or placed in interstate (including international) commerce, with the knowledge or intent that the misappropriation will injure the owner of the trade secret. Penalties for violation of section 1832 are imprisonment for up to 10 years for individuals (no fines) and fines of up to US$5 million for organizations.
When the FBI is involved it is no joke, the Cardinals might actually have real problems with the law and MLB before this is over.
What law was broken?
The lying, cheating, stealing laws.
That shirt is a riot.
In the cardinal organization, all that glitters is not gold!
Nothing to see here unless you believe that the Cardinals went to an employee and asked him/her to commit a felony from their house and that employee said sure. More likely, this is an employee who go a hold of some of Luhnow's old passwords and for shoots and giggles decided to have some fun. In that case, the employee would be guilty of doing what the FBI does on a daily basis. LOL
I just stole this from another site (Not hacked)
Disabled list update:
A. Wainwright (achilles) M. Adams (quad) L. Lynn (forearm) M. Holliday (quad) Officer personnel (imprisonment)
I agree with you on this, its very disturbing. I don't think it is anything to poke fun at.
Actually, there is no real story yet as no one knows who did this breach, if any information was in fact taken, if anyone in the Cardinal's organization hierarchy had anything to do with this ... This could have been one or two employees hacking the Astros. The only tie to the Cardinals is that an employee formally lived in the house. So, everyone jumps to conclusions! Maybe it would be better to wait and see what the investigation really determines. I'll leave out all of the recent jumps to judgement that have proven incorrect recently in national news.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports...99-3373aada869b.html
Seems they tracked back to a house in Florida that Cardinals staff members have stayed at before during Spring Training. Could be a much stronger case if that house(?) is/was owned by the Cardinals. If it were a rental facility, it could lead to a lot of different possibilities as well.
Right now, it's alarming but I've said earlier today: At this point there's no need to defender the Cardinals because we don't know what really happened.
How's this for another take on it.... based on if they can track the timing of the "hack" could it be that some employee(s) were still employed by the Cardinals before moving to the Astros but started working for the Astros earlier? And they got caught, so now this is their attempt of hiding it?
There has been some reporting the lois leirner rents the house during the christmas holidays for last few years.
There has been some reporting the lois leirner rents the house during the christmas holidays for last few years.
Thanks for the laugh this morning. 
Actually, there is no real story yet as no one knows who did this breach, if any information was in fact taken, if anyone in the Cardinal's organization hierarchy had anything to do with this ... This could have been one or two employees hacking the Astros. The only tie to the Cardinals is that an employee formally lived in the house. So, everyone jumps to conclusions! Maybe it would be better to wait and see what the investigation really determines. I'll leave out all of the recent jumps to judgement that have proven incorrect recently in national news.
I reserve the right to not put my head in the sand. They're guilty. If the employee(s) worked for the Cardinals, they should be penalized, and I believe they will be.
As CoachB25 states jumping to conclusions would be premature...BUT.....I sure hope the FBI would have avoided involvement without something solid to get them to spend resources on something like this.
If nothing else this is a great reminder to use nothing but STRONG passwords, change them regularly, and particularly after folks who know your passwords move on. (it's speculated in the NYT story that old passwords were the entry point)
Here's a good place to generate them: https://identitysafe.norton.com/password-generator/
A side benefit -- for those of us who are 50+, learning new, complicated info, like a foreign language or strong passwords, is supposed to help keep your mind nimble.
If nothing else this is a great reminder to use nothing but STRONG passwords, change them regularly, and particularly after folks who know your passwords move on. (it's speculated in the NYT story that old passwords were the entry point)
In this case, wouldn't it be more about not using the same passwords you used at your previous place of employment? Sounds like Mr. Luhnow used the same User ID/password info for his "new" database as he did for his previous database and his old staff knew them.
Heck, he may have even copied the entire database from StL and brought it with him to Houston. If he didn't have permission to remove that program, he may have some explaining of his own to do. In most corporate settings, anything created/utilized while in their employ would be company property (unless you had an agreement otherwise).
"Investigators believe that Cardinals personnel, concerned that Mr. Luhnow had taken their idea and proprietary baseball information to the Astros, examined a master list of passwords used by Mr. Luhnow and the other officials when they worked for the Cardinals. The Cardinals employees are believed to have used those passwords to gain access to the Astros’ network, law enforcement officials said."
- nytimes
I'm not at all surprised in a $9B+ business. Let's see where this thing goes when the facts are in.
Nope, I'm serious. Seriously serious.
Astros fault for not disabling logins from their system once the employee(s) leave their business.
Anyone that commits corporate cyber espionage from an ip address
that can be traced to then is stupid.
I would like to think if a MLB club was to try this the would hire someone
that knew what the hell they are doing!
Actually, there is no real story yet as no one knows who did this breach, if any information was in fact taken, if anyone in the Cardinal's organization hierarchy had anything to do with this ... This could have been one or two employees hacking the Astros. The only tie to the Cardinals is that an employee formally lived in the house. So, everyone jumps to conclusions! Maybe it would be better to wait and see what the investigation really determines. I'll leave out all of the recent jumps to judgement that have proven incorrect recently in national news.
I reserve the right to not put my head in the sand. They're guilty. If the employee(s) worked for the Cardinals, they should be penalized, and I believe they will be.
Ryno, so every employer is guilty of any crimes employees commit?
If nothing else this is a great reminder to use nothing but STRONG passwords, change them regularly, and particularly after folks who know your passwords move on. (it's speculated in the NYT story that old passwords were the entry point)
In this case, wouldn't it be more about not using the same passwords you used at your previous place of employment? Sounds like Mr. Luhnow used the same User ID/password info for his "new" database as he did for his previous database and his old staff knew them.
Heck, he may have even copied the entire database from StL and brought it with him to Houston. If he didn't have permission to remove that program, he may have some explaining of his own to do. In most corporate settings, anything created/utilized while in their employ would be company property (unless you had an agreement otherwise).
That is what happens in most businesses. When I worked for a Department of Defense contractor, it was made clear that I would sign a document stating that I am not taking any information with me when I left the job AND that I had not invented nor sought patents of any products during that time and for some length of time afterwards. That included any patents that had nothing to do with the company.
When I left my last teaching job 17 years ago, they tried to confiscate my computer, (Old Apple II) my TV, VCR and Desk. They said that if it was used in an educational setting at that school, regardless of whether I owned it or not, it now belonged to the school.
Jump to conclusions is a euphemism for convict them before the process plays out, no more, no less.
As for the FBI engaging my thought is still the same which is that since they chose to engage I hope (and expect) there is something substantive there. The details released thus far, assuming they are factual would give a rational person a reasonable belief that the Cards are in a place that has some potentially serious consequences.
The other interesting point raised is if Mr. Luhnow will find himself on the flip side of a legal issue for stealing proprietary information/tools from the Cards. Now we could be talking about employment agreements etc.
You guys make me laugh.
You are actually suggesting that Luhnow and Sig Mejdal (former NASA engineer who was hired to apply work he had done at NASA to help draft players) decided to keep the same passwords they used in STL? 
Someone wanted into Houstons data base, for reasons unknown, but I suspect that the drafting of players for the cardinals is not as successful as it has been since Luhnow was employed there.
It could be that cardinal paranoia thought that Luhnow had taken THEIR info, but regardless, what was done is really really disturbing.
This wasnt just info on drafting, but personal info on players, trade info and also medical records. This is extremely disturbing.
Its already been determined that STL front office people are involved, yet people are faulting the Astros? The Cardinals are in the hot seat, lets see what they come up with.
TPM, between the two of us, one is a network administrator with decades of experience in this sort of thing.
The other one is you.
I have seen some very smart people do some very stupid things on the network--on MANY occasions.
