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After reading several of the threads about how the new bats are performing, I started to wonder if this would significantly change the way Colleges started to recruit.

Here is a good take from one coach that say's it has changed how he recruits.



Size matters for U of M baseball

Weaker bats influence Schoenrock's recruiting
By Phil Stukenborg
Memphis Commercial Appeal


During his 25 years in the game, University of Memphis baseball coach Daron Schoenrock has sought varied attributes from a recruiting class. Sometimes the priority has been on pitching, other times on speed and defense.

As he received the final faxes a few weeks ago from his 10-member 2011 class, it was clear Schoenrock had taken into account a new NCAA standard regarding aluminum bats. The NCAA is reducing their power, a change that takes effect during the 2011 season and should make the aluminum models perform similarly to wood bats, which are not used in the college game.

The NCAA's Baseball Rules Committee wanted to eliminate the ''trampoline effect'' a batted ball possessed coming off an aluminum bat.

Schoenrock said the NCAA's decision affected his decisions. The recent signing class, which included local products Zac Carter and Craig Caulfield of Houston High and Tucker Tubbs from Collierville, is filled with players 6-2 or taller. Caulfield and Tubbs are 6-4. Carter is 6-3.

Among the others in the class are two left-handed-hitting catchers — Keaton Aldridge of Glenwood (Ala.) High and Carter White from Hoover, Ala. — and infielder Bryce Beeler, who hit 14 home runs and drove in a school-record 69 runs last season for Knoxville Halls. Aldridge and Beeler are 6-2.

''Our emphasis on size had partially to do with the scaled-down bats,'' said Schoenrock, whose signing class doesn't join the Tiger program until the 2011-12 school year. ''And now, looking around our league, we'll look more like what we see when we play Rice, East Carolina and Southern Miss.

''I've always been impressed by how big and physical their position players have been and by the fact they didn't run out of gas in May (toward the end of the regular season).''

Schoenrock, beginning his seventh season at the U of M, said the new NCAA bat performance standard is being implemented, in part, because of pressure from television, which wants to eliminate lengthy games with teams scoring in the teens.

''It was scaled down about three years ago and I thought that was fine,'' Schoenrock said. ''I think the consensus around college baseball was it was fine, too.

''This (recent) change is the biggest in my 25 years of coaching. They've tinkered with the size of the sweet spot and changed the exit velocity. Batted balls will have less carry than before. There'll be fewer jam jobs or flares dropping in (the outfield) with the smaller sweet spot. It will (perform) more like a wooden bat. When a pitcher (forces a batter to hit a ball off the handle), it'll be a pop up to short.''

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I think it will undoubtedly change the emphasis on recruiting. But I also believe that it will take a great deal of time to find out what that emphasis will be and create a consensus. While this particular coach views going big as the answer, another may favor speed and a smaller strike zone, emphasizing lower BA but higher OB% and small balling runs.

It'll take awhile...
I agree with CPLZ. I am surprised that U of Memphis is going bigger. Many of the big D1 programs have always recruited size and they are reporting that the homeruns are way, way, way, down this fall. I would think that coaches would recruit pitching, speed and defense regardless of size since very few homeruns will be hit. On base percentage and base-stealing ability will be high on the list to go along with good pitching and defense.
In my opinion, they will still be recruiting the same thing: talent.

You will have some that think speed and defense and others will think that if power is such a premium, I better get after the power guys.

I still think the 6'4 guy who runs a 6.9 60 will still go over the 5'11 guy that runs a 6.7 60....the bigger athletic frames have a much better chance to develop.

But, the early post was right....let's let these bats play for a year or two in the spring season and see what happens.
I wonder if this coach is fitting his comments to match the class he ended up with. I doubt that the recruiting plan he had to start with over 2 years ago to get these players was purely deceived on getting bigger athletes to be able to compensate for the new bats.

I also wonder how having players over 6’ will provide better conditioned athletes to keep them from running out of gas. Outside the rigors of the catcher position, I don’t think size is that big of an endurance factor for baseball players.

I also believe that high average hitters may adapt better to the new bats than the big bashers, as hitters will be valued more than ever to advance runners, hit the opposite field, and make things happen without the long ball. This has little to do with the size of the hitter, as there are many very good hitters below 6’. I think if this coach believes that the homerun will play a big time factor with the BBCOR bats (even recruiting the huge guys he has) then he may be in for an awakening.

He does go on later in the article to discuss speed and better defense will be needed in the game – Quote from article not posted above: Speed, defense and pitching may gain an even greater emphasis. Schoenrock said ''if you don't give any runs away, it's going to be hard to lose.''
All of these things are true, but remember not a single thing has changed with the pitchers/defense....

So, if a guy was fast and could steal bases why didn't he last year?

If a guy couldn't hit for a high average with a "loaded bat" why do you think he'll be able to with a lesser one?

If a guy couldn't handle good pitching last year, how will he this year?

I think most of the pundits have it backwards, this will hurt the smaller "slap" player than the bigger more physical player.
Great points on all sides.

BTW, I found another article that I think is a great read.

This is more in line with what I was thinking...speed rules. The last paragraph nets it out although I don't totally agree with the writers fan assessment.

http://www.baseballscoutz.com/...05?referrer_id=77074

Like I said, I just thought it was interesting to see how the new bats could potentially change how colleges recruit, if at all.
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Originally posted by bsballfan:
All of these things are true, but remember not a single thing has changed with the pitchers/defense....

So, if a guy was fast and could steal bases why didn't he last year?

If a guy couldn't hit for a high average with a "loaded bat" why do you think he'll be able to with a lesser one?

If a guy couldn't handle good pitching last year, how will he this year?

I think most of the pundits have it backwards, this will hurt the smaller "slap" player than the bigger more physical player.


IMO..
If far more balls are staying in the yard and less fisted balls are finding the outfield grass, then the trickle down effect is...

-lower scoring games with fewer HR’s, thus putting more emphasis on small ball
-more need for quicker OF’s (and IF's for that matter) to track those additional balls staying in the yard

I do think there will be some coaches who take the opposite approach and go after even more big boppers to overcome the bat characteristics but that will not be the norm.

So, yes, Bsblfan and Prime9, something has changed. Not the abilities of smaller, quicker players but more strategic need to use them.
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quote:
Originally posted by bsballfan:
All of these things are true, but remember not a single thing has changed with the pitchers/defense....

So, if a guy was fast and could steal bases why didn't he last year?

If a guy couldn't hit for a high average with a "loaded bat" why do you think he'll be able to with a lesser one?

If a guy couldn't handle good pitching last year, how will he this year?

I think most of the pundits have it backwards, this will hurt the smaller "slap" player than the bigger more physical player.


While I am not going to prognosticate about who benefits from the change, there are some logical answers to your well thought out questions.

The reason a fast kid might not have stolen bases last year, was because he was on the bench, in favor of thumpers. Those thumpers may soon find the bench if their previous homeruns are now can o corn flyouts.

The kid may not have hit for avg, but he may have a great eye, smaller and more disciplined strike zone, and a good OB%. Combine that OB% with a fast kid that can steal, and some coach may find a place for him in the lineup now.

No right or wrong here, just pointing out the "other" side of how some coaches may think it out.

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Originally posted by fillsfan:
I also agree with bsballfan. If the cheap home run is made less prevalent then there should be a premium for legit power hitters.


While you are probably right, the problem becomes, how many legit power hitters are there to spread around? I think in college baseball, that number would be quite few considering the 300 D1 teams to spread them across.
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Coaches will covet what they don't have, plain and simple. Pitching and defense wins championships. I don't think the ban on steroids in the MLB or composite bats in College/High School will impact that. Speed doesn't slump and is always high on the list of desirable skills.

What everyone will want is what there will be less of; hitters with bat speed who barrel the ball consistently, that can drive the ball into the gaps or over the heads of the outfielders. The guys that can do that will have a leg up over the position players who cannot! Average hitters, no matter their physical size, will find they will have mucho competition from relatively equals on defense but who have more "pop" in their bat.

Without bats providing high exit speeds, there is MORE time on defense to make plays. I want hitters that can get the ball through the holes and into gaps, guys that have quick hands, generate bat speed, and if they have size and speed to boot ... all the better!

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