Class Average Metrics

57special posted:

The only kid on my son's HS team who went P5 ran a 7.2/60, and had an exit velo of 84. His arm was OK. 80 inf. He had a decent glove, but nothing special. All these measurables were taken when he was 16/17.

Why was he taken by this strong program? He can hit the ball a long way, was a HS star, and he played on a  good travel team for years, which allowed RC's to see if he could actually play baseball.

According to what I read at times on this site, he didn't have a chance to get on at a P5. 

Either all of you guys have some fantastically talented kids, or you are exaggerating your numbers. I just want to tell the Dad's who have sons that do not run 6.6 /60's, or throw high 80's across the diamond, have 90+ exit velo's(really?), or have sub 2.0 pop times(all by the age of 15 , no less), that there is still hope, especially if your boy is one of those who can actually play the game.

Do you all drive 300 yds. straight off the tee? Catch monster fish, too?

Those numbers are low, all of them. 83 Exit Velo is considered the average for the past 3 senior classes. So 84mph was most likely a low reading and not the actual velo of the hitter. We have a PO on our team who I'm not sure is capable of hitting a live baseball, but he hopped on a tee at Lake Point and hit 93. I think you need to hit a baseball 90mph for it to even go 320 ft if I'm correct. The 60 and the IF Velo tell me he is probably a 1B or 3B.

To the bolded point. The posters giving the advice have been thru it with kids/players already. Based on their experience, they know what numbers get you where and how to navigate around that. When I first found the site looking at a generic recruiting thread I saw the post of a parent looking for an agent with a full page of responses. Couldn't believe it. There are a lot of numbers/accolades on here that will be humbling. Just take the metrics as a general baseline and not the rule. 2019 was throwing 84 when he committed to his P5 school. He was a rare exception. When he joined his new team, bigger kids throwing in the low 90s were having trouble getting D1 coaches to respond to their emails. Not everything on here is gospel, but much of it is very good information. 

Go44dad posted:

57special posted:

The only kid on my son's HS team who went P5 ran a 7.2/60, and had an exit velo of 84. His arm was OK. 80 inf. He had a decent glove, but nothing special. All these measurables were taken when he was 16/17.

Why was he taken by this strong program? He can hit the ball a long way, was a HS star, and he played on a  good travel team for years, which allowed RC's to see if he could actually play baseball.

According to what I read at times on this site, he didn't have a chance to get on at a P5. 

Either all of you guys have some fantastically talented kids, or you are exaggerating your numbers. I just want to tell the Dad's who have sons that do not run 6.6 /60's, or throw high 80's across the diamond, have 90+ exit velo's(really?), or have sub 2.0 pop times(all by the age of 15 , no less), that there is still hope, especially if your boy is one of those who can actually play the game.

Do you all drive 300 yds. straight off the tee? Catch monster fish, too?

clearly plastic! Not real!

57special posted:

Go44dad posted:

57special posted:

The only kid on my son's HS team who went P5 ran a 7.2/60, and had an exit velo of 84. His arm was OK. 80 inf. He had a decent glove, but nothing special. All these measurables were taken when he was 16/17.

Why was he taken by this strong program? He can hit the ball a long way, was a HS star, and he played on a  good travel team for years, which allowed RC's to see if he could actually play baseball.

According to what I read at times on this site, he didn't have a chance to get on at a P5. 

Either all of you guys have some fantastically talented kids, or you are exaggerating your numbers. I just want to tell the Dad's who have sons that do not run 6.6 /60's, or throw high 80's across the diamond, have 90+ exit velo's(really?), or have sub 2.0 pop times(all by the age of 15 , no less), that there is still hope, especially if your boy is one of those who can actually play the game.

Do you all drive 300 yds. straight off the tee? Catch monster fish, too?

clearly plastic! Not real!

Yeah, I’ve had a little work done...

My 14 yo kid will be doing showcases this year against my advice. He will post numbers to show what a great 14 year old player he is and the money spent will advertise his "potential" to play in college and above. I blame myself for all this using those same very metrics into buying into a serious off season program. The fleas do come with the dog 

57,

Key: You gotta be seen. RC saw that kid on the field. Even with low metrics , the eyes tell them things metrics don’t.

Get on a Travel Ream that puts your player in the best position to BE SEEN.

Add targeted showcases and college camps, and you’re on your way

2022NYC posted:

My 14 yo kid will be doing showcases this year against my advice. He will post numbers to show what a great 14 year old player he is and the money spent will advertise his "potential" to play in college and above. I blame myself for all this using those same very metrics into buying into a serious off season program. The fleas do come with the dog 

I don't think there's anything wrong with one or two inexpensive showcases at 14. More than getting numbers to see what a "great 14-year-old player he is" my son did one showcase after his freshman year, and learned how far he had to go. Completely supercharged his work ethic. 

And just curious, how can your kid do showcases against your advice. Don't you write the check?

My son did 1 showcase at 14 (national in FLA) so that he saw where he fit in. 

Once he saw that, we set up goals to meet before he would attend another one in Summer of 2019.  He did do some of the local "organizational" showcases to see how he was improving.  

Sort of like putting a carrot out in front of him.  Let him know that there WERE players that were better than him out there, and there WERE players that were close to him..........and if they WERE working, they could eventually pass him.

Can you son "read the bat"? can you son "slow the game down"? Does he have the "6th Tool"?

Bob

The kid did a showcase or two. Did a camp or two. But the main thing he did to get noticed and an offer was play baseball. It's not hard to see, if you are level headed, where your player stacks up against others. We knew by watching our kid he was in that top 10-20%. We knew he'd play DI but maybe the Vanderbilts of the world were a little out of reach. There were a couple of offers I would have liked to see him give more consideration too but all in all he ended up about were we expected.

Between DI, II, III, JUCO, and NAIA if a kid is a decent player and shows a desire to put in the effort he can find a place to play at the next level. 

Iowamom23 posted:

2022NYC posted:

My 14 yo kid will be doing showcases this year against my advice. He will post numbers to show what a great 14 year old player he is and the money spent will advertise his "potential" to play in college and above. I blame myself for all this using those same very metrics into buying into a serious off season program. The fleas do come with the dog 

I don't think there's anything wrong with one or two inexpensive showcases at 14. More than getting numbers to see what a "great 14-year-old player he is" my son did one showcase after his freshman year, and learned how far he had to go. Completely supercharged his work ethic. 

And just curious, how can your kid do showcases against your advice. Don't you write the check?

Maybe I am too corporate but I give him an annual budget of what I am willing to spend for his development. Last year he skipped fall ball and went to a trainer. He gained about 10 lbs of good weight and has much more explosive spped. This year his summer team is not a big name travel but a new local start up and he is using the cost savings on a couple of showcases one of them being PG, I was hoping more training.

Consultant posted:

Can you son "read the bat"? can you son "slow the game down"? Does he have the "6th Tool"?

Bob

Please elaborate on what is reading the bat?

2022NYC posted:

Consultant posted:

Can you son "read the bat"? can you son "slow the game down"? Does he have the "6th Tool"?

Bob

Please elaborate on what is reading the bat?

A fielder being able to tell by the swing and pitch location which direction the ball will come off the bat.

This?

http://www.baseballbytheyard.c...he-ball-off-the-bat/

Excellent, thanks!. Thought it was that, but as experience taught me about assuming...it is mostly me who is the hee-haw and rarely you.

2022NYC:

When Pedro Martinez was pitching for the Red Sox, he would watch the "on deck" hitter swing the warm up bat. Did he swing "up or down". He would then pitch to the weakness. Infielders and OF read the bat angle and "on the move" with quick feet before the ball is hit.

Question: is there a measurement for BASEBALL SENSE?  

BOB

Bob asked “Is there a measurement for BASEBALL SENSE?”

Seems not in this thread. Been pointed out time & time again and falls on deaf ears. 

Well said, Bob and Adbono! Can they play the game? Do they have the intangibles?

The year before the created the Area Code games, I was watching a College game at Sonoma State. Lloyd Christopher a former ML player and Pro scout was watching the game. I asked Lloyd who was he watching? He said the SSU pitcher. I asked what his eyes and mind look for?

He said "I am placing this pitcher 10 years from now in the ML World Series". If his SS makes an error will he "throw his glove" and lose his concentration.

This is a 6th Tool and CANNOT be measured. It is acquired thru strong competition by playing above your age.

Bob

I think this information is very helpful even if it isn't 100% accurate. Some of us need to see where other boys are and see where our sons measures up then our sons can set goals if they do want to play beyond HS. Better than letting them believe they are good and then when it comes time for them to show off their skills they fall flat on their face.

Practice pays off.

My son didn't start playing until 14, he had friends who encouraged him but also told him how great they were and that he had a LONG WAYS to go...after 1 season, my son went from batting 9th and playing RF to batting 3rd or 4th and being starting SS or Pitcher with ERAs in the 2s. And he didn't stop there. He just made his HS freshman team (very competitive) with 19 on the roster. He knows he has to work harder than ever to earn a spot on that field.

Our favorite saying is "Every ball is an opportunity, what you do with it is up to you" -Derek Jeter.