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ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
Here is a snippett from sebaseball.com:

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Some folks have cried about Mississippi State's "favorable treatment" in being awarded a host. Some have referenced Athletic Director Larry Templeton's position as chair of the NCAA Selection Committee as the reason there is baseball in Starkville instead of Clemson. Well, lets put down the X-Files season disk and bear with me for a minute. Neither team was a number one seed. Clemson has an RPI at #15 while Mississippi State's is at #19. Both teams finished fourth in their conference. Clemson's strength of schedule is 38 while Mississippi State's is 40. There is not much difference -- only a slight edge to Clemson. But lets look at some other factors: Mississippi State is capable of having a five-digit crowd for all three games. Clemson would draw well, but still come up substantially short. ESPN is televising these games and will certainly showcase the outfield scene unique to Dudy Noble. Then there is the novelty factor. Clemson hosted a Super last year. MSU has never hosted one and folks are genuinely excited (despite the 11 AM starts). Mississippi State also traveled to Clemson for a Regional a year ago. All of those factors point towards Starkville and heavily outweigh any resume advantage Clemson might have had. Forget conspiracy theories. Think bottom line in NCAA matters and you'll be right more often that not.
rz1rz15,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Bottom line, Mississippi outbid Clemson and stadium can hold more.

The almighty dollar won out for the NCAA.

TR is correct, no matter where you play you have to win.

This was a coin toss as far as the intagibles were concerned. Im glad TPM who has blood involved also sees it this way. The NCAA all about money, darn right, and why not, it's their party. I see this as the the ace in the hole for Clemson. Go to MSU and win is a great mental stepping stone to Omaha. It's all about momentum this time of the year.
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B BeenthereILHSBBWeb Old Timer
ClevelandDAd,

Thanks for the post and reference to the article.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, Starkville is the #1 place to play college baseball.

Anyone from Clemson that visits Starkville will soon understand why: 1) The program is successful; 2)If you play the game the way it is supposed to be played, you'll have MIssissippi State/Clemson fans in the stands (just ask Notre Dame and how they were welcomed to Starkville a few years ago); and, 3) The fans are as smart as any in the country.

It has been a while since the Bulldogs hosted a regional. Happy for them to get a super regional.

Congrats to Coach Polk and the Bulldogs. Congrats, too, to TPM and her son and the Tigers.
Dad04Dad045,000+ posts
I'm sure MSU home games are a blast. I certainly understand it helps determine the biggest one-sided crowd. How does being the "Best baseball atmosphere in the country" help determine who should go to CWS? Should they just send the top 8 in attendence, or just have a bar-b-que contest?
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by rz1:
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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Bottom line, Mississippi outbid Clemson and stadium can hold more.

The almighty dollar won out for the NCAA.

TR is correct, no matter where you play you have to win.

This was a coin toss as far as the intagibles were concerned. Im glad TPM who has blood involved also sees it this way. The NCAA all about money, darn right, and why not, it's their party. I see this as the the ace in the hole for Clemson. Go to MSU and win is a great mental stepping stone to Omaha. It's all about momentum this time of the year.


rz,
Never said I liked it. Frown

I understand about the $$ part, that's the way it is, but when an AD chairs a committee that decides, step away and not try to convince others it's a GREAT atmosphere for a super regional (so are many other schools) or it's not fair because the Bulldogs HAD to travel to Clemson last year.

I hope it gives the Tigers incentive to go in a kick some butt!
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by Dad04:
I'm sure MSU home games are a blast. I certainly understand it helps determine the biggest one-sided crowd. How does being the "Best baseball atmosphere in the country" help determine who should go to CWS? Should they just send the top 8 in attendence, or just have a bar-b-que contest?


Eek
rz1rz15,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
rz,
Never said I liked it. Frown

I understand about the $$ part, that's the way it is, but when an AD chairs a committee that decides, step away and not try to convince others it's a GREAT atmosphere for a super regional (so are many other schools) or it's not fair because the Bulldogs HAD to travel to Clemson last year.

I hope it gives the Tigers incentive to go in a kick some butt!


Someone has to wear the crown and with that goes a tie breaking vote and a little leverage if needed. The last thing that I would want to hear is Clemson crying foul if the series does not go their way. It's an honor to get this far, all the teams involved can hold their own on the road, and that the MSU decision is not at all far out of line. Bottom line "It's a what have you done lately" environment and MSU did beat a National seed on the road. That is what I feel is the deciding factor when everything else shook out rather evenly.
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B BeenthereILHSBBWeb Old Timer
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The last thing that I would want to hear is Clemson crying foul if the series does not go their way.


Sounds like exactly what has happened here (fans posturing and not the team, I mean) and the games haven't been played!
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Feel sorry for you Dad04...you just don't get it about MSU and the wonderful "atmosphere" for college baseball games.
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bkekcsbkekcs500+ posts
I don't have any special interest in either one of these teams. I want a western team to win the whole thing. One of the teams has to be the host. I haven't seen any convincing argument that one deserves to be the host over the other. I'm getting the idea here that the games being at MSU is unfair but if they were at Clemson they wouldn't be.
BeezerBeezer1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by justbaseball:

Given that I sat in a nearly empty Texas stadium last year for the regional championship game between NC State and Stanford...I doubt that will come soon enough.


Ummm...I think just about every game I watched on TV this year was 1/2 full at best....on average.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by bkekcs:
I haven't seen any convincing argument that one deserves to be the host over the other. I'm getting the idea here that the games being at MSU is unfair but if they were at Clemson they wouldn't be.


I don't think I said that. I never even said that Clemson was a better place for a super, it was Mr. Beenthere done that who made the statement there is no better place for baseball than MSU.

What is not right, IMO, is the committee chair (MSU AD) being in the room making his case for MSU. I don't think I am the only one thinking that either.

I don't doubt that MSU is a wonderful atmosphere for ANY game, and games are determined on the field, not who is cooking what for BBQ. Smile
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TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
How hard would it be to get a handful of neutral sites, minor league cities/stadiums and have a number of teams play there and make the travel equi-distant for all involved ?---I don't think it takes too much to make that happen and the dollars can be taken care of I am sure


Example---Michigan had to be in TN this past weekend---and where are they this weekend--in Oregon---ASU is at home again


I am sure with a little thought on the part of the NCAA, neutral sites could happen very easily---we do our events in minor league stadiums so I am pretty much aware of the costs involved and we have no gate or concessions involved to get additional revenue


And then it would be off to Omaha for the finals--I woudl bet that many teams/cities would bid to get the super regionals just on the basis of the revenue it brings to the city for the weekend---it is all additional money in the team/city coffers
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
TR,
I don't deny that your idea is good BUT, teams place bids for sites (I think the national seeds do not have to pay), minimum bid is 35K that goes to the NCAA. Gate fees (I think some goes back into the NCAA's pocket), food sales, souvenier sales is money that goes back into support schools programs and pay for the bid. The NCAA makes a lot more money that it has to give out for the road to Omaha, and won't shell out for neutral sites.
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FungoFungoHighly Regarded and Beloved Old Timer
Even though my son’s Auburn was ranked #1 college facility by Baseball America I gotta go with BeenthereIl on this one. Just the experience of college baseball at Dudy Noble field ----- win or lose you will enjoy the experience and be able to count yourself amongst those that have played at one of the best college baseball settings in the US.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
my last post on this one for obvious reasons.

Fungo,
I am not denying that the experience at Dudy Noble is not a great one, but super regional sites should not be given out just because it's a better place to play (as stated by the schools's AD). There's a lot at stake, the biggest becoming the visiting team. MSU is whining they deserved the super because they haven't had one in years, that was a large part of it all. IMO it came down to money, and that's ok if the NCAA plays by those rules.

Now here is a good one. Michigan beat the number one seed twice, had a higher seeding than OSU. Michigan seats more than OSU.Michigan did not bid, they did not have the money and afraid they would not make it up in ticket sales, the super went to OSU. Michigan should have been awarded home team, JMO. A school is being penalized because THEY could not afford it.

I am sorry if I appear to be whining, Clemson travels well, I would imagine half those seats they bought. Big Grin But I still believe, money or no money, better records, RPI, fans, gate whatever, the AD should have removed himself from the picture, that's my issue.

For the person to suggest that Clemson would cry foul if things don't go their way, you know NOTHING about our program, our athletic department, players or coaching staff.
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justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
Who was Dudy Noble? What a great name!

TPM, et al. Putting the MSU/Clemson series aside....money should not play into it, I agree...unfortunately it does. Its just the way it is.

I never understood why the NCAA puts ADs in charge of these things whether it be basketball, baseball, whatever. Heck, for baseball, I think WE (the hsbaseballweb) should be in charge. We could do it!
Rob KremerRob Kremer1,000+ posts
The reason that Michigan isn't hosting the super regional is because they didn't bid for it!

Apparently they are doing a bunch of remodeling on the stadium, and it is a mess. So they didn't put a bid in. Had they submitted a bid, they would be playing at home.

Everyone involved at OSU were completely surprised 9and delighted!) Not only did Michigan take out Vanderbilt, so OSU didn't have to go through the #1 national seed, but the Beavers get to play at home.

Talk about lucky!
justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
Rob - Sometimes it pays to be lucky. But I'm not so sure its all luck.

Last weekend my son was interviewed on ESPN radio. Late in the interview, the host asked him who he thought (out of the Pac-10) had the best chance to win it...he responded, "Oregon State."

He faced every team in the Pac-10 this year...lets see if he has a future as a baseball prognosticator. Roll Eyes
B BeenthereILHSBBWeb Old Timer
Fungo...Nice post...I agree with you 150%.

just....here you go:http://www.mstateathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=-1&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=6065&change_well_id=2


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For the person to suggest that Clemson would cry foul if things don't go their way, you know NOTHING about our program, our athletic department, players or coaching staff.


TPM...Let the best team win this weekend.

While I certainly don't know as much about the current Clemson team and program, TPM, I know plenty about school, the team and the program from years past.

Go back to the "whiners" from Clemson when they played the regional in Starkville in 1992-1993, when George Angel was their ace. Seems like SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.

And let's not go to the matchups between the Tigers and South Carolina each year.
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infielddadinfielddad10,000+ posts
What in the heck relevence is anything that occurred in a regional in 1992-93 to one being played in June, 2007. The coaches are different, the players are different, the fans are different(well maybe not in Starkville Wink) and the situations are different--super regionals didn't exist in 1993.
TPM and others are discussing a point that has been raised on BA, CSTV and others. Why in the heck is the AD from Miss St in the room when this decision is made. WRONG.
The only thing about "whining" I read in this thread, until the last one, was the humor introduced by Dad04 and Gotwood.
Bottom line is that Clemson will have to overcome the home field advantage which sounds formidable. If they do, they will be a huge force in Omaha. If they lose, they go home.
The decision has been made and the only thing to do is to either make changes in the rules, or change the people making the rules so an AD does not do what was done here.
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