Coaches/Educators

I know in many HS districts the the Teachers union requires that teachers get first shot at coaching positions, and that in my opinion thins the quality of the candidate pool.

With that said....I think the quote "that an "educator" is somehow a better or more qualified coach" is somewhat of a blind and ignorant thought that could be insulting to general population of non-teachers who are out there to make our kids better people. The best person for the job satisfies my thoughts. JMO

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Originally posted by legendscoach:
... the belief that any "coach" should also be an "educator". The meaning of educator in this case is that the coach has a teaching degree and along with being a coach, is also teaching math or history or whatever.

Pure bunk spouted by teachers unions. Never think for a moment that a teachers union has the best interest of anyone except the teachers in mind. That is their only job. That's not meant to vilify the union, but just understand that their motives, by definition, begin and end with promoting teachers only.

CPLZ,
How cynical can you get? Unfortunately you're right.

I think it is important that coaches understand that getting an education is a priority but one doesn't have to be a teacher to do that.

In my opinion....

There are too many teachers who can't coach who try and at times hurt the athlete. However there are also too many coaches (noneducators) who can't teach (fundementals, life lessons....) this is just as bad. Any great coach has to be able to teach but doesn't need to be a certified educator to do so.

I can only speak from direct experience. And in my direct experience...the best coaches my sons have had were also teachers at their schools.

This past season, our younger son's HS coach, who also teaches some of the highest levels of math at his HS, guided his team to a #1 national ranking by 3 separate organizations including Perfect Game. This teacher/coach was also selected as the head coach of the AFLAC All American West team.

Our older son's HS coach was also a math teacher at his HS...some of the more advanced classes in his case too.

BTW, both of these teacher/coaches played D1 college baseball.

Maybe a fortunate coincidence? Maybe not?

There are things you learn to become and teacher and as a teacher that can help you to 'teach' on the field well too...to mentor, to have patience, to adjust to skill levels, to motivate, to constructively solve problems, etc...

I also like the angle of having my sons' coaches on campus throughout the school day. They both know/knew a lot about my sons' behavior, academic progress, social issues...girlfriend issues. IMO, this 'insider' knowledge is/was valuable.

So while I know it doesn't always work out for the best...and I accept that we may have been fortunate...from our point of view, yes, I like the idea of the coach also being a teacher...especially at the same school.

Just an opinion from our own experiences, nothing more.

FED's philosophy is that "the playing field is an extension of the classroom." This doesn't mean all coaches need to be teachers. My union does not speak to that at all. Principals and AD's have the ability to hire non-district employees as coaches, provided they can pass the background check. (Some couldn't)

What FED is referring to is that the education process continues on the field. Coaches are expected to "teach" and to follow school and district policy in the management of students.

Some otherwise excellent coaches could not deal with players under a certain age and maturity. I know one who discovered that being an assistant coach in Double A in very much different from being an assistant coach for a high school varsity team. He resigned about a day before getting fired.

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Originally posted by shortnquick:
In my opinion....

Any great coach has to be able to teach but doesn't need to be a certified educator to do so.

High school baseball is part of extracurricular activities extended from school. Just like the band teacher or a HS cheerleading coach, they are certified educators and it has to stay that way. It's school and the educators run the schools. While teachers unions are too powerful for their own good and are not there for the children but rather the dues paying members, it is those who are employed by the BOE who should be coaching baseball or any other school activity.

Like any profession, you got good and bad coaches. There are many good teacher/coaches out there as well as bad ones. No different than any other profesion.

This isn't travel, little league baseball baseball that's run by parents or competitive all-star cheerleading that's run from a local gym by professional tumbling coaches, gymnastic coaches and dance choreographers.

The last thing you want is outsiders running after school activities, especially sports. Daddyball would be out of control in the school systems if they could be run this way. The whole thing would be a mess. High school sports is a whole different element from outside sports and it should be kept that way.

The problem is there are many schools at least around NC where you #1 Can not find enough teachers that want to coach. #2 Are qualified to coach.

The HS coach at many schools is responsible for:
Maintaining his own field which includes: Cutting the grass year round. Maintaining the playing surface year round. This includes edgeing , taking care of the home plate surface , mound and surrounding facilities such as bullpens , dug outs , batting cages , etc. Anyone who has ever had to maintain a baseball field understands the amount of time it takes to maintain a baseball field. He is responsible for the baseball budget and ordering for the upcoming season. He is responsible for taking care of the uniforms and practice gear. He is responsible for all the paperwork needed for each player. He is responsible for the off season program to include the fall hs program and any summer program that the HS runs. He is also in many cases in charge of the fund raising for the baseball program such as the booster club. And in most cases he oversees the JV program as well and all that this includes.

I was paid 4,200 dollars a year for being a HC at the High School level. And this when I was at the top of the pay rate. All this for spending at least four hours a day at the field six days a week from mid Feb to late May. From late May to mid Feb I would spend at least this amount of time working on the field. Maintaining the facilities. Running the summer work out programs. Running the fall workouts. And working with my players at their request anytime they called for extra time.

Now when you need something for the field or for your team and there is not enough money in the budget for it. How does that get taken care of? And believe me this situations arise very frequently. It comes out of that 4,200. The bottom line is it cost me thousands of dollars over the time I coached in HS to coach in HS. And I know other coaches who many times spend their own money to get things for their program.

If you add up the amount of time and work that the good HS coaches spend building their program and trying to give their kids a great HS baseball experience they lose money they dont make money. Anyone who is in the business of coaching HS sports for the money they get is a coach you dont want your kid to have.

The problem is you end up with a guy that is doing it for the 4,200 bucks. And that is exactly when the politics come into the situation. How many teachers are going to spend the entire day in class and then walk up to the field and spend four hours working with players. Spend their Saturday at the field working with players for three hours. Then spend another couple of hours cutting the grass. Do all of the things I mentioned above for 4,200 bucks? If they are doing it for the money? No, someone is going to work their way into the mix and "Help" out the coach. And we know who those people are in many cases. Not all some do it for the right reasons.

There are teachers who get into teaching because they also want to coach. These guys do a great job. But the fact is there are way more needed coaches at the HS level than there are guys like this. Way more. So you end up with some guy that simply takes the job for the extra cash and you end up with a pathetic hs baseball experience for the players.

In these situations why not go outside the school and find someone that really wants to do it and do it the right way? Someone that will give your child the best HS baseball experience he can have?

I have seen very good programs end up in shambles because the History teacher who wanted to supplement his income took the job for the money and ended up running the program into the ground. And we are not even talking about the type of baseball instruction they are getting or not getting. Maintaining discipline in a classroom and on a sports field of play is totally different. Teaching on the actually field of play and teaching in a classroom is totally different as well. Some great teachers would totally bomb on the field. And some coaches would bomb in the classroom.

If you got a qualified teacher great. If you dont find someone that can get the job done and wants to do it for the right reasons. The biggest problem we have are people doing it for all the wrong reasons. And those people are obvious when you play against them and see their field and the way their team is coached or not coached. JMO

Zomby

I think you are taking one line of my post and it sort of changes the meaning.

"Any great coach has to be able to teach but doesn't need to be a certified educator to do so."

I understand in most, not all, school settings teachers are given the coaching jobs. I don't believe all educators are bad coaches just like I don't believe all non educator coaches at high schools only run "Daddyball".

Look at my entire post for the meaning

" There are too many teachers who can't coach who try and at times hurt the athlete. However there are also too many coaches (noneducators) who can't teach (fundementals, life lessons....) this is just as bad. Any great coach has to be able to teach but doesn't need to be a certified educator to do so."

I think the original premise of the post was while we all know educators coach at high schools, the thought they are better coaches just because of that fact is arrogant.

I do not want to get into a, which is better arguement...HS coaches vs Travel. Or contractually who should get the job. None of this was the intent of my post. My post was just an opinion on the makeup of the best coaches .

I don't think you can be a good coach and not be a good teacher. And I don't think you can be a good teacher and not be a good coach. Its just a different type of coaching. A good coach can teach the game. And he can also coach the player and his team. A good teacher can teach the subject and he can coach his student as well. JMO

100% Agree Coach May. Hopefully what I posted reflects that.

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I think the original premise of the post was while we all know educators coach at high schools, the thought they are better coaches just because of that fact is arrogant.

I agree. If there are coaches who actually think they are better or more qualified just because they're educators, then that is arrogant.

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I do not want to get into a, which is better arguement...HS coaches vs Travel. Or contractually who should get the job. None of this was the intent of my post. My post was just an opinion on the makeup of the best coaches .

No. The comparison is not to draw lines on which is better. The comparison is just to draw the line on where non-educators belong in the grand scheme of coaching in the education system. Nothing at all to do with comparing travel vs HS coaches. Perhaps it just didn't translate that way.

1. Number one criteria for a HS coach should be, and has been in the school districts I've worked, is he/she a good coach?

2. Folks are making big assumptions about the power unions have. In the three states in which I have taught, have not been a member of a teacher's union that has had any say in who could apply for or win a coaching position.

3. I worked in one district in which two high schools had non-teacher head coaches and one high school's coach taught at a competing high school.

Coach May I cannot tell you how much I agree with your first statement. I felt like you were describing my time as a head coach. You are 100% correct that if a guy is doing the job for the money then something bad is probably going to be going on. I actually got paid half of what you did when I was in KY. I'm still trying to figure out how to take those kids who I drove home and paid for meals on road games out on my taxes as dependants.

I think this is a tough topic because it's hard to put a specific definition onto a position. To me a teacher and coach are interchangeable definitions no matter if I'm in the classroom or if I'm on the baseball / football field or just the hallway between classes. Today (Tuesday) I spoke to my US History class about how they need to pick up their effort in preparation for the state mandated End of Course test that determines if they pass my class or not. To me that's coaching because I'm trying to motivate, come up with a plan to show them how tough the test is and then put it together. So to do all that I gave them the speech and gave them a practice End of Course test on laptops in class. I did not "teach" them one drop of history today but I still accomplished something that's going to help them be successful in their "game" at the end of the season / semester.

Everyday in practice I'm a teacher because I have to teach them new skills in doing something. For example I have to teach my catchers how to block pitches. So I have to find a way to get across to them what blocking is, we have to practice it, expand on it to include recover / throw and then test them on it so they can perform in a game.

There is no difference between a teacher and coach in my opinion.

There are fools out there who can't control a classroom let alone come up with a plan to teach something. There are fools out there that don't know which end of a fungo bat to hold and sadly there are those fools out there who do get both jobs teaching and coaching.

Let me explain it like this and I apologize if this comes across as arrogant. High school aged kids repsond to winners. Kids want to be lead by winners and that's what you have to be in order to be successful in the classroom or the baseball field or the football field or basketball court or the band field or academic team place. A teacher has to know their stuff and be able to communicate it to the kids and plan things to help get the stuff to them. If you can do that you will have almost no discipline problems and you will see success in the classroom because kids will try for those types. Same with athletics and every other thing a school has to offer.

Now go to the opposite end of the extreme and you have a person who doesn't know their stuff, can't communicate it and doesn't challenge the kids. Now you have the classrooms that when you walk by its loud, disorganized and chaos is king.

Kids want to be lead by strong people because it teaches them how to be strong people but they will go in the absolute opposite direction if there isn't structure and discipline.

Now every single teacher and coach fall somewhere in the range of those two extremes. You will find people who do amazing in the classroom and stink it up on the field for whatever reason and vice versa. Plus you have the situation where you have one kid who thinks you're a phenomenal teacher / coach and the kid sitting beside them who thinks you're the worst and you taught them both the same way. Sometimes a teaching / coaching style just doesn't match up with a kids learning style but if you got your stuff together that kid you don't match up with will still get something out of it because they respect you for having your stuff together.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

2. Folks are making big assumptions about the power unions have. In the three states in which I have taught, have not been a member of a teacher's union that has had any say in who could apply for or win a coaching position.

Mine is not assumption. Our district's teachers contract states that the teacher gets the job when candidates are equal. Our union here also has a history of filing grievances if a non union candidate is hired for a position where a union candidate has applied. It has come to the point, where the union makes so much trouble for the schools, that it's simply not worth it. The schools in our district have not hired a non union coach for a position where a union teacher has applied in many, many moons because of it.

It's a shame.

Just an FYI go to this link. It has a number of charts on it but scroll down to the bottom and there is a chart (I believe the third one) that shows what states require a teaching license to coach and which ones don't.


http://www.thesportjournal.org...ead-baseball-coaches

Every coach in the school system I work in is a teacher, although we would be better off in some cases allowing a non-certified teacher to be the head coach. Two non-faculty coaches are allowed as assistants.

To All- I just wanted to express to each one of you that responded to my original post, how much I appreciate you taking the time and effort to give your thoughts and experiences.
I realize that there are many related issues to this topic such as, unions, contract issues, travel ball, daddy ball, quality of a coach, quality of a teacher(with a degree), money, time and effort, the ability to coach or teach, etc. How each of these relate to one another, or not, are certainly topics that could fill pages. The point is, all the related issues aside, a mentality that supports the theory that only "certifed educators" are qualified to be coaches, is not only arrogant, it's also ignorant.
By the way, although Iowa does not require HS and JHS level coaches to have a teaching degree, it does require all HS and JHS level coaches to have a current "coaching certification".

Legends - do you think that you might be looking a little too much into the qualified part?

When I read it I don't see them saying that qualified teachers are the ones who know the game the best. I see it as that the requirement to be the coach is that you hold a teaching certificate. It says nothing about having the ability to do the job. I don't think it's arrogance but I agree with the ignorant part. It's ignorant to believe that you will have a good program selecting JUST from certified teachers.

For every Coach May that is a great coach that teaches there are something like 15 unqualified guys who coach but have a teaching certificate.

Again, Coach May did a great job describing a hs coach. Texas requires coaches to be full time employees, but that is not done with the mind set that educators make better coaches....There are some advantages from an employee and employer stand point. Of course there will be a few cases where an non-school employee might be a better choice....but I think the odds of finding a quality, professional coach that will work a season for $4,500 would be rare.

Texas has no teacher unions which in turn causes our pay to be lower than the national avg., but even with that I was paid close to $30,000 for the coaching portion of my day.

There are loop holes around that law. One is being a retired teacher/coach. We currently have 3 coaches on our staff that are retired and they bring invaluable contributions to our school's program.

Dinosaur Time Again.

When I was in high school, there was a Physical Education Department. These employees taught gym classes, Drivers' Ed. , Health, Civics, First Aid and a few other classroom type subjects.

These were full time PE teachers and they also were the coaches of the various teams. There was a wrestling coach and team, a basketball coach and team, a baseball coach and team, a football coach and team, a swimming coach and team, a gymnastics coach and team, a tennis coach and team, as well as a track coach and team. Back then a sokkear coach and team was just added to the PE Department.

All PE staff had to have a degree in Physical Education and their teaching credentials were covered by the class study required to fulfill the PE program for graduation.

Has the PE staff been done away with or are they not required to be responsible for PE activities?

Coach2709- I do understand what you mean and appreciate your question.
The situation I was talking about was just simply with one "local" individual, who is an "educator" and who, over the years, has displayed a degree of arrogance. He recently had made some statements concerning the fact that he believed only "educators" should be in a coaching position at the HS level.
I thought the comment, and the concept, was a bit amusing. I did not want either myself, or anyone else for that matter, to read too far into it. With all the experience here at the HS Baseball web site I thought it might end up being a rather interesting "statement" to discuss and am delighted there has been so many thoughtful responses. Thanks.

Legends I gotcha now and yes that guy is a fool. I see now why you said it was an arrogant statement because it truly is. This guy needs to come back to reality.

Athletics in sports has evolved / changed over the years due to many reasons. At one point sports in school could be handled by almost anybody because there wasn't a huge emphasis placed upon it. Over time that has changed to where athletics are very important and driven by money. Sports cost money and they bring in money plus you factor in scholarship money athletes can get then just any ole Joe Schmoe won't suffice. The community wants a person who knows what's going on and the teacher's union want to protect their own. So now we got a problem - the community wants winners, the athletes want to get paid through scholarships, the schools want to make money, coaches want to win and unions want teachers to make as much money as they can get. Somehow these areas have to learn to co-exist.

This also gets us to another problem in that we have the "real" world of education facing off against the "theoretical" world of education. I might be the only one to think this but there is a huge problem when these two worlds collide. Real world you have to cut kids and limit rosters because people want wins. The theoretical world wants everyone to be happy so everyone gets a trophy, nobody gets cut and everyone gets fairly equal playing time. So which is it? People who are not in the trenches who have all the answers live in the theoretical world.

Let me put it another way - as a teacher I have to go to professional developments and I hate them because theoretical people tell me how to do my job. One example is that the theory people tell us that standardized, multiple choice tests should not be used for assesment. But the real world people gauge everything through standardized, multiple choice tests. Another example in the professional development is the theory people try to train us in that lecture is terrible and group work, cooperative learning, differentiated assignments are the way to go......but they "teach" us this through lecture. In 13 years of teaching and having to do PD's like this they don't practice what they teach. In the real world most kids actually don't like group work but will say they like it because it's like a day off. I stood in the hall the other day when a teacher put a group of four in the hall. They sat in the floor and just talked about everything under the sun except for what the assignment was about.

Sorry for getting off topic but in my opinion that's where we're going is the world of theory is trying to muscle out the real world of how things are done. I truly believe that the people in power of schools (not necessarily principals but can be) are trying to phase out the competitiveness of sports. You see it in middle school already where kids aren't cut. This guy that Legends is talking about seems to be a theory guy and he's wrong.

Yeah I really got off topic and I apologize for it.

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I might be the only one to think this but there is a huge problem when these two worlds collide

You are not alone!

I have heard it said that, "Perception is reality".

That concept has never sat very well with me. Thanks coach2709 you hit the nail, right on the head.

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Originally posted by Quincy:

Has the PE staff been done away with or are they not required to be responsible for PE activities?

At my towns school Elementry, Middle school, and High School and only one PE teacher coaches and she coaches golf. In fact I know all of them well and none of them even played sports. All are out of shape and unathletic. I have no idea why any of them teach PE but it's basically a joke.

In every profession, you can find people outside of the discipline that, if given a chance, can do as well if not better than people in a given profession. I once tried to suppliment my income by selling jewelry. Everyone that worked full time schoffed at the idea. Then, I went on to become the #1 salesman in the U.S. for that company. Yes, there are people more qualified and possibly better equipped to be successful coaches than many educators. Read Coach May's 1st post. It isn't just about coaching. I wish it were. You have so many other criteria to worry about. Say Jon Jon is failing a class. I got the email. If Jon Jon was acting up, every teacher in the district expected me to punish Jon Jon. What about those departure times for the bus, getting kids out of class early to make it to games an hour or more away, knowing who the bus driver is and whether you want to try to get the district to get a different driver, ... All of that is taken care of in the school system itself. People who have lives to live, other jobs etc. often find it hard to fit within the constraits of the school system.

Well, I could go on and on. This coming week, I am going to interview to get back in the game. I wanted the school to find a qualified candidate so that my child didn't have to play for me. She doesn't deserve all of the negativity that comes with that. However, our school will stay within the district. In that case, I'm inteding to get the job because I know what I can do. I see both sides of the argument. Take care!

Darrel: Best wishes with that, they would do well to have you back in charge.

I agree and best of luck in getting the job.

The notion that high school baseball coaches do it for the money is just laughable! In my view, whether they are classroom teachers or not is irrelevant - they are ALL teachers.

My son's varsity head coach was a teacher at the high school. Every one of his assistants (the two varsity assistant coaches, the two JV coaches and the two freshman coaches, were not classroom teachers.

It mattered not a whit. They all made, I would guess, about $4.00 an hour for the time they put in helping kids learn and play the game of baseball.

If there was a rule that every single coach had to be a classroom teacher, it would no doubt have destroyed the baseball program. There is no such rule in Oregon, and Oregon is a very strong teachers union state.

My son was lucky to attend a school where there was a very strong baseball program. It was built by a man who cared about the game, the kids, and about building an institution that would outlast him.

He doesn't do it for the money, I can tell you that for sure. He has taught and helped dozens of HS baseball players over the years who have gone on to play college and professional ball.

He would be the first to tell you, as a certified teacher, that being a certified teacher has nothing to do with being a good baseball coach.

Thankfully that is one area in Oregon at least that the teachers unions have not tried to dominate.

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
The notion that high school baseball coaches do it for the money is just laughable!

Then you haven't seen the salaries or "going through the motions" coaches in my district or surrounding communities. It's not the majority by any means, but it's not laughable either.

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Hear, hear CPLZ! We definitely have the same problem down here closer to the city. Good coaching candidates passed over for an "in house" teacher with mediocre coaching skills. This happens too often.

Why? Seven to eight thousand dollar per season stipend for a head coach. This on top of a $120,000 or so per year salary with what now is considered very, very generous benefits. Not bad huh? Unfortunately not good for the student athletes. But it's not really about the kids, remember? It's about power...(hearty)clap, (vigorous)clap, (loyal)clap!

And how do the rest of us poor saps pay for all of this? We can't...and we won't. "Ladies and gentlemen...the money has left the wallet!"

People are figuring it out. They are. Hey...do you hear that music in the distance? It's getting louder. What's that tune?

Please don't get me wrong folks. I greatly admire good, competent, successful coaches. I just wish they had a fighting chance to coach!



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Down South in the Land of Lincoln, I will make a hefty $70,000 this year with coaching, class sponsor, security at football games, ... figured in. I forget what Champions.org has for me but it still has me coaching multiple sports and so is not accurate in the least. If I get the softball job, I'll make approximately $3,000 more. The $3,000 would be nice since we took a pay freeze for teacher's salary and the coaches took a pay cut. I knew we should have gone north. BTW, our Superintendent doesn't make much more than the salary you quoted for coaches.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
Why? Seven to eight thousand dollar per season stipend for a head coach.

The assistant coaches in my district start at $6,000.

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I appreciate what you have said Coach. You know I think you're a keeper...the chili, of course, just seals the deal!

Although you may not be totally satisfied with the amount of your compensation your's seems to be much more in line with reality than what is happening up here.

Let me once more give the example from our suburban Chicago little School District...

Schools within School District: four little elementary schools and one middle school.
Total enrollment for School District: About 1400 or so.
Superintendent: retiring in 2013 @ age 58.
Superintendent's annual final salary alone (doesn't include generous benefits):$336,000.
Superintendent's annual pension based on average of final four years of salary (I think he will receive 80%): Approx. $250,000/year.
School Board allowed this to happen (actually orchestrated it) and who is angry?: taxpayers (both liberal and conservative).
Response from School Board following the community's urging to rescind this pension padding salary boost: "Bend over!"
Our ability to pay for this nonsense: Virtually none.
Sentiment in our village towards the district and the School Board: disgusted and feeling abused.
Solution: an election with informed, motivated, and unforgiving voters.

This, of course, is just a local issue. But in reality this example is what is often happening all over our country at all levels of government. Does anyone in Illinois really think that our newly elected Governor Quinn, on a short leash held by Michael Madigan, will be able to lead us out of the swirling drain, up and over the strainer, and then up the slippery sides of the mop sink to the relative freedom and calm of the countertop? Honestly...it's not going to happen. Washington D.C., much to the dissatisfaction of our hungry state legislators, can't bail the Land of Lincoln out. The Republicans in the U.S.House are going to turn off the spigot. The Gravy Train has been switched off onto a remote siding and the switch has been locked. Illinois, and other states which are economically crippled, need a skipper like New Jersey's Governor Christie. He makes no bones about it. His state needs help and focused leadership. He's rolling his sleeves up and getting it done. Good for him...he should start teaching a course-"How to Save a State...Don't Speak So Softly and Carry a Big Stick".





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I have absolutely no idea how much I made "per hour" in the time I have been coaching. It's nice when the check shows up, but if was about the money, most of us would probably choose not to do it. I guess thats the point!. It should'nt be about money and it should'nt be about a degree. It's supposed to be about helping to develop these young people, in not only baseball skills, but in life skills also. Both can be challenging enough by themselves, for sure.

"gotwood4sale" I agree 100%!

Somewhat as a side not. I do not apologize for not knowing what I make "per hour" and I do not apologize for not having a teaching degree. I would do it for absolutely nothing because there are some things that are more valuable than gold.

"CoachB25"- I love your quote. I'm glad God has a sense of humor.

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"The assistant coaches in my district start at $6,000."

I stand corrected. Our High School District's head coaching stipend is between $8,000 and $9,000 and the assistant coach's stipend is between $6,000 and $7,000.

A small upside to all of this? I've been asked to bend over so many times I can now actually touch my toes and even recognize the one who went "wee, wee, wee all the way home!"




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gotwood, I never complain about what I make. I made the choice to do what I do. I walked away from a sales job that would have paid me considerably more. I get up every morning knowing that I am blessed to get to do what I do. It is true that coaches don't coach for the money. I have alread told my wife that if I get the job, we have a lot of equipment to buy.

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That's a good attitude!



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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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"The assistant coaches in my district start at $6,000."

I stand corrected. Our High School District's head coaching stipend is between $8,000 and $9,000 and the assistant coach's stipend is between $6,000 and $7,000.

A small upside to all of this? I've been asked to bend over so many times I can now actually touch my toes and even recognize the one who went "wee, wee, wee all the way home!"




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That is crazy...I coach in the biggest classification in Missouri. Get 38,000 for teaching (frozen past 2 years) and 5,000 for head baseball. Assistants make 3,000.

There are other schools in our area that have successful programs and make 3,000 to be a head coach in the highest classification.