listen to the players language in the dugout during a game--- f bommbs are nothing
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:quote:Originally posted by cabbagedad:
certainly, there are good coaches who effectively use, shall I say, "raising their voices" out on the fields when that would be something not tolerated in a classroom.
Would it be tolerated in the stands?
You'll have to come to one of our football games and then tell me what you think the answer is
Which brings up another aspect to this discussion... I find it very interesting how the tolerance level of yelling, screaming, getting in the grill and cussing varies significantly depending on the sport.
I get what you are saying, Antz and I 99% agree. Check my first post on this thread. I ride my players and we check each other on language. My main point was that it is not quite an apples and apples comparison when you are talking about classroom vs. ball field. If the boys are between drills and talking typical teen boy talk, it may get a pass at times when it wouldn't in the classroom. If a coach lets out an emotional slip in a game, it's not a good example to be setting but it may get a pass at times when it wouldn't in the classroom. That's all.
Cabbagedad, I like your math comparison 
Just like I enjoyed the comparison of the History teacher and the 4 of July....but... Yes Kids are required to go to school, and after school activities are optional...True! The thing you need to understand is that both on and off campus school functions carry the same rules. You are not allowed to smoke or Chew on school property, so that goes for the field, the bus... that goes for profanity as well... Most schools now a days have a code of conduct... get caught at a baseball game representing your school with a smoke in your hand... You will probably spend some time not doing the school function for a while... The school is suppose to be a safe haven for kids of all ages. A place they feel safe from anything, or anyone..... School rules are school rules on or off the field Period. This topic is about the coach using profanity way too often, calling the kids names, and talking about his *** life... He is suppose to be a Coach, a mentor, and a good role model, not a buddy to them. I came here looking for opinions to determine if the coaches behavior was common in high school, or if it was crossing the line... I think from the posts so far, I am convinced that the coach is crossing the line and is wrong and should be given the chance to change his ways.... The fear that most of the parents have here is.... He gets talked to about the vulgar language, He says he is sorry, and then he finds out who came forward... He will find a way to make life hell for them.. in the end the kid suffers again.....
1. Star Athlete, batting avg. highest on the team, Starting Pitcher throws 80 as a 10 grader... tells the coach his mouth is bad stop cussing so much.....
2. Avg. Player, second team...JV says the same thing.....
Could be the same if the parent came forward with the problem of each kid....
What happens if this situation happens? What does the coach do? Star keeps playing, and the avg. kid stays avg. never gets the chance to play....
If the kids are messing around..... YELL at them! Leave the Name calling out of it. Verbal abuse hurts as much as physical abuse! It is a form of Bullying and Bullying is not tolerated at the school, so it should also apply to the off campus school activity events as well.... Coaches should be held to a higher standard , and they should be held responsible for the behavior they demonstrate.
This post has had some really great information... We are moving in the right direction with the talks and hope to have the situation taken care of before it gets any worse...
Thanks again to all that have spoken up about the situation....
1. Star Athlete, batting avg. highest on the team, Starting Pitcher throws 80 as a 10 grader... tells the coach his mouth is bad stop cussing so much.....
2. Avg. Player, second team...JV says the same thing.....
Could be the same if the parent came forward with the problem of each kid....
What happens if this situation happens? What does the coach do? Star keeps playing, and the avg. kid stays avg. never gets the chance to play....
If the kids are messing around..... YELL at them! Leave the Name calling out of it. Verbal abuse hurts as much as physical abuse! It is a form of Bullying and Bullying is not tolerated at the school, so it should also apply to the off campus school activity events as well.... Coaches should be held to a higher standard , and they should be held responsible for the behavior they demonstrate.
This post has had some really great information... We are moving in the right direction with the talks and hope to have the situation taken care of before it gets any worse...
Thanks again to all that have spoken up about the situation....
quote:This topic is about the coach using profanity way too often, calling the kids names, and talking about his *** life...
As the HSBBW site evolves and more threads like this get started, invariably the information and facts get changed.
Now we introduce a new one.
Some profanity exists on a baseball diamond and in a dugout with some very good coaches.
Other types of profanity exists with very bad coaches.
Most players have heard all the words many, many times and more than a few use them regularly as do their parents.
The discussion last night with shortnquik seemed, to me at least, to highlight the chasm between the effort and intent to demean a player without much purpose and the effort to get more and more and more out of a player who doesn't appreciate his talent level, where a bond and relationship exists.
Now we introduce a new element...the coach discussing his *** life.
Why would you not put that in the first post?
That is not okay, ever, in HS.
FROM original post.... " In the past, this coach has talked to the kids about his old lady not taking care of his needs at home…." DID not want to just out and say SE@, It is in there.... 
Seems to me your biggest problem with the coach is that he has a foul mouth! Congratulations youve got it great. Ive got a masters degree and can use five dollar words all day during business meetings. When I leave the office ive got a real foul mouth and think nothing of it. Sit in the dugout or locker room for a few minutes, I guarantee those boys will make you blush.
golly gee wilakers Billy I would like to cordially invite you to please back up the third baseman at your earliest convenience, thusly preventing an errantly elevated baseball from going out of play due to a miscalulation in trajectory from the centerfielder. Pretty please with hugs and sprinkles on top.
golly gee wilakers Billy I would like to cordially invite you to please back up the third baseman at your earliest convenience, thusly preventing an errantly elevated baseball from going out of play due to a miscalulation in trajectory from the centerfielder. Pretty please with hugs and sprinkles on top.
Thanks for the educated input Seattle. I am sure everyone will value your opinion. Keep The educated input coming....
quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:
Thanks for the educated input Seattle. I am sure everyone will value your opinion. Keep The educated input coming....
+1!
quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:
FROM original post.... " In the past, this coach has talked to the kids about his old lady not taking care of his needs at home…." DID not want to just out and say SE@, It is in there....
A few years ago, "that's what she said" became so prolific on the bench that the coach's wife complained to the whole team that all she heard at home from her 3, 4 and 6 year-old boys, who were at every game, was... (guess)
I will go on record saying that I certainly don't like language that is largely profanity laced on any occasion, anywhere.
If you as a parent, and other parents hear this, in the stands, at practice and or at games, and are offended, then you, they, should schedule an appointment with the AD at the school and discuss your view. I would not take no for an answer.
As far as your High School playing son goes I'd advise him to take the high ground. He can't control the speech of others but he certainly doesn't have to like it or use it in his speech. This is the age where they need to learn how to handle these situations themselves, if they can.
If it becomes verbally abusive and directed to him and or other individuals rather than just too racy diaglogue, then I would want to hear about it and you can bet your bippie I would be requesting a meeting with both the Coach and his AD.
If you as a parent, and other parents hear this, in the stands, at practice and or at games, and are offended, then you, they, should schedule an appointment with the AD at the school and discuss your view. I would not take no for an answer.
As far as your High School playing son goes I'd advise him to take the high ground. He can't control the speech of others but he certainly doesn't have to like it or use it in his speech. This is the age where they need to learn how to handle these situations themselves, if they can.
If it becomes verbally abusive and directed to him and or other individuals rather than just too racy diaglogue, then I would want to hear about it and you can bet your bippie I would be requesting a meeting with both the Coach and his AD.
Heard that one a few times myself Antz! Thanks for the input Prime.... They are looking into it as of today... They received numerous letters, and that kind of got the ball rolling... Superintendant is aware and talking with the AD....
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And all these years I thought that wasn't allowed in Georgia!
"Didja' hear Prime 'bet his bippie' again?"...
..."Peachy keen...I think?"
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And all these years I thought that wasn't allowed in Georgia!
"Didja' hear Prime 'bet his bippie' again?"...
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I am with Prime. Some things you can control and some things you can't. If an adult coach cusses a lot, he will continue to cuss a lot. If he wins, there is nothing that you can do and if he loses he will be replaced. Either way, it is out of your control and you might as well not worry about it.
Bottom line is that if he is a good coach it doesn't matter how he communicates. And as a parent, you can only control how your son acts. Not how your coach acts.
Bottom line is that if he is a good coach it doesn't matter how he communicates. And as a parent, you can only control how your son acts. Not how your coach acts.
quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
Bottom line is that if he is a good coach it doesn't matter how he communicates. And as a parent, you can only control how your son acts. Not how your coach acts.
By the time our kids reach High School I am not sure we can really control how they act. At this point you hope the values you have modeled and instilled have more weight than those around him. For years I have been warning my kids that one day the opinions of their friends will be more important than mine. (A little reverse psychology) Even though they still won't admit it I see it happening. i.e. a huge mouthful of sunflower seeds to make it look like he's chewing tobacco and yes a little language here and there.
quote:Originally posted by mcmmccm:quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
Bottom line is that if he is a good coach it doesn't matter how he communicates. And as a parent, you can only control how your son acts. Not how your coach acts.
By the time our kids reach High School I am not sure we can really control how they act. At this point you hope the values you have modeled and instilled have more weight than those around him. .
MC.. I would have to respectfully but strongly disagree with you there. When the kids are in HS, yes we are going through the process of loosening the ropes but they are still very much in the formative stages and perhaps need our parenting guidance more than ever as they deal with new, more serious issues and become more aware of themselves as they grow quickly toward adulthood.
quote:Originally posted by PantherPride:
....The thing you need to understand is that both on and off campus school functions carry the same rules....
...This topic is about the coach using profanity way too often, calling the kids names, and talking about his *** life...
Panther..
Please see my first post back on page 2 which addressed your OP topic. The purpose of my second and third post was to address the comparison between how a classroom teacher interacts with students vs how a coach interacts with players. I am very aware that there are rules and codes of conduct that apply to both and that both are school functions but, in reality, there ARE differences and they vary quite a bit from school to school, coach to coach, and from sport to sport. Again, I am not condoning the actions of the coach you are dealing with. Sorry we veered a bit from the OP. That definitely happens here from time to time.
Glad to hear there is progress being made with your situation.
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That is a mystery to me!
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- "Sorry we veered a bit from the OP. That definitely happens here from time to time."
That is a mystery to me!
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quote:Originally posted by cabbagedad:
MC.. I would have to respectfully but strongly disagree with you there. When the kids are in HS, yes we are going through the process of loosening the ropes but they are still very much in the formative stages and perhaps need our parenting guidance more than ever as they deal with new, more serious issues and become more aware of themselves as they grow quickly toward adulthood.
I do agree that parenting is a life-long process and that these HS years are very critical. However, when your HS'ler look you in the eye and respectfully says, "I know what you're saying dad, but the bottom line is... if I want to do something I'll find a way to do it." It's at that point you realize your days dictating are effectively over and you had better learn to be their coach.
Thanks Cabbage.... Sometimes it helps to read the entire post over again... I appreciate the informtion you and the rest of the posters have provided me... Deep down inside, We know that we are doing the right thing here, and that we are not in the wrong with our thinking. We will continue to raise our 15 yr. old the best we can so that when he leaves this house, He will know what is right from what is wrong, and he will know how to stand up for what he believes...
Pantherpride, you are doing the right thing, please don't ever doubt that. Someone made the comment that what happens after school is different than in the classroom because it isn't required but it isn't. Coaches are held to the same standards as teachers, as they should be, but unfortunately due to the nature of the activities it is often harder to regulate. If an adult wants to go act like a jack*** and be immature, talking about his wife, using profanity, etc...(which honestly is just a way to boost his own ego in my opinion) then he can go coach in a club or independent league. But when you apply and are hired as an employee of a public school district you have to act in a certain way and using profanity is not acceptable. It doesn't matter what the other coaches may do, what people that work in other professions may do, what language the kids hear every day at school or from their parents. All irrelevant. As a condition of your employment, you are a role model, period. I bet any of you that in the contract this man signed it read similarly.
Thank you for the post Speakup... I felt the same way about the post you mentioned... I will keep everyone up to speed on the outcome... We know the AD is going to talk to the Coach and we will see where this all goes...