One thing I look at it as the Cape is a pitcher's league, pitchers that go there are usually studs and hitters averages go down.
If your son did make it to Northwoods (from looking back at some of your previous post) there may be a more of a balance of pitcher strengths to hitting strengths. In many college games, coaches will adjust to hitters relativity fast as they get scouting reports from other teams and their previous experiences. I would not think the summer colligate leagues care that much.
The hitters also may just be stronger than what he is used to seeing.
One of my sons just came out of high school and is playing in a colligate league and he is doing really well against the pitchers he is seeing, but then again, they also don't know him and don't have scouting reports on him.
In terms of conditioning, my sons are on their own and it is up to them to hit the weights, get their running in, and their skill work in on their own, around the games. That is sometimes difficult given where they are playing and the distractions that are available, but if they have the desire to get better, they must put the time in on their own.
quote:The hitters also may just be stronger than what he is used to seeing.
No he has pitched well against Florida State, Unc SC, Citadel, college of Charleston, UNC Ashv, Savannah State, Brown, Costal Carolina, Winthrop VMI and a few other great programs.
I think he really needs a break. We actually didn't want him to play this summer.
This might be a stupid question to some but...
Bobble,
Don't players and/or parents have input as to what the player will do for the summer?
Like if you or your son feel as though it'd be better to rest rather then play, doesn't that factor in the decision of playing in a Summer League?
I can only speak from what goes on in my program. But if a player feels he needs a break from playing the Coach doesn't push him into a position that could possibly burn him out and be of no help to the program.
Bobble,
Don't players and/or parents have input as to what the player will do for the summer?
Like if you or your son feel as though it'd be better to rest rather then play, doesn't that factor in the decision of playing in a Summer League?
I can only speak from what goes on in my program. But if a player feels he needs a break from playing the Coach doesn't push him into a position that could possibly burn him out and be of no help to the program.
Did FSU play Charleston this year?
Is your son a starter this summer? Usually relievers become starters in the summer and it is much different preparation than they are used to.
Summer college leagues are an introduction to what minor league life is like, you show up for the game each day and pitchers for their pens. Even on your own, a two year college player should know what the expectations are for work outs and preparation everyday. Maybe he just needs to take off and concentrate on work outs and throwing for fall. Maybe he needs direction.
Maybe you both need a break.
JMO.
Is your son a starter this summer? Usually relievers become starters in the summer and it is much different preparation than they are used to.
Summer college leagues are an introduction to what minor league life is like, you show up for the game each day and pitchers for their pens. Even on your own, a two year college player should know what the expectations are for work outs and preparation everyday. Maybe he just needs to take off and concentrate on work outs and throwing for fall. Maybe he needs direction.
Maybe you both need a break.
JMO.
Doc we said no. Not because he was tired but because we wanted him home to play here relax and work out. His coach wanted him to fill in for an injured pitcher that dropped out. An athlete only needs a few days rest.
TPM no they didn't play FSU this year. He pitched against them as a Freshman. He was very upset they dropped a few top teams this year. As you may remember that was one of our reasons for going there. He wanted to face top teams.
This year he only got 2 starts. He won against The Citadel and lost to Savannah Stat. He picked up a save against College of Charleston. He has been told he is in the running for a starting position.
TPM no they didn't play FSU this year. He pitched against them as a Freshman. He was very upset they dropped a few top teams this year. As you may remember that was one of our reasons for going there. He wanted to face top teams.
This year he only got 2 starts. He won against The Citadel and lost to Savannah Stat. He picked up a save against College of Charleston. He has been told he is in the running for a starting position.
Mine is in Hawaii and loving it.
He has been mainly a starter in college, and is now closing. He threw 60+ innings this year, vs 90+ last year, and is enjoying Hawaii, throwing just a few innings per week.
He does throw bullpens, jogs or rides his newly aquired bicycle over to UH (less than 1/4 mile)to work out. He also does the 2 mile jog or bike to Waikiki beach. Then all the swimming, and snorkeling, he is getting a workout and having the time of his life!!
So I ask him to take pictures and send them, bring your camera to games, I want pic's of you.... so what do I get?
He has been mainly a starter in college, and is now closing. He threw 60+ innings this year, vs 90+ last year, and is enjoying Hawaii, throwing just a few innings per week.
He does throw bullpens, jogs or rides his newly aquired bicycle over to UH (less than 1/4 mile)to work out. He also does the 2 mile jog or bike to Waikiki beach. Then all the swimming, and snorkeling, he is getting a workout and having the time of his life!!
So I ask him to take pictures and send them, bring your camera to games, I want pic's of you.... so what do I get?
One of my son's teammates went to Hawaii Hilo for 2 years and he said it was great.
Island baseball is awesome!
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Doc we said no. Not because he was tired but because we wanted him home to play here relax and work out. His coach wanted him to fill in for an injured pitcher that dropped out. An athlete only needs a few days rest.
TPM no they didn't play FSU this year. He pitched against them as a Freshman. He was very upset they dropped a few top teams this year. As you may remember that was one of our reasons for going there. He wanted to face top teams.
This year he only got 2 starts. He won against The Citadel and lost to Savannah Stat. He picked up a save against College of Charleston. He has been told he is in the running for a starting position.
Has he put it together? Sometimes it is attitude and desire, unless it is of course physical.
My son is about to head off for his freshman year at college. After reading this thread I have a few questions regarding summer baseball next year. It appears players are selected or assigned pretty early - October of the prior year? Is this something the college coach handles or is this up to the player? And, since my son is a freshman how do the summer teams make decisions on who to take? I would imagine with older players they have stats and some history to go off of, with freshman they wouldn't have that. I guess I assumed we had until sometime next spring to figure this stuff out.....
Thanks for any feedback.
Thanks for any feedback.
quote:Has he put it together? Sometimes it is attitude and desire, unless it is of course physical.
HR04 sorry I haven't dhecked this thread for a couple weeks.
It is definetly attitude. He is a big city guy who likes a lot to do. The people he is with are wonderful but he is laying around with nothing to do. He has no car and is out in the country. He i9s a fish out of water. lack of practice and bull pen has hurt the team overall. He is not depressed or anything like that , just not used to not working hard on his BB. He says he has no intensity. I guess we could use the "not the right fit" comment here. He likes the coaches but they are too laid back. He needs someone barking at the team.
He has several coaches call asking if he is coming home and if he would sign with them but i told him he is going back to Charleston.
oach of the college team places the player. The CS teams are full of FR,Sophs and JRs. When your son gets to college the coaches ask around and send players to several leagues.
My son said no in his freshman year and again ln soph year. The coach had a guy drop out of a commitment and so he aked if he would fill the spot. He said no because he had to earn some money over the summer. Promises were made so he agreed to go.
There are some great summer teams out there but just make sure it is a great fit just like the college choice.
My son said no in his freshman year and again ln soph year. The coach had a guy drop out of a commitment and so he aked if he would fill the spot. He said no because he had to earn some money over the summer. Promises were made so he agreed to go.
There are some great summer teams out there but just make sure it is a great fit just like the college choice.
quote:It appears players are selected or assigned pretty early - October of the prior year? Is this something the college coach handles or is this up to the player? And, since my son is a freshman how do the summer teams make decisions on who to take? I would imagine with older players they have stats and some history to go off of, with freshman they wouldn't have that. I guess I assumed we had until sometime next spring to figure this stuff out.....
miken515 - I had these same exact questions when my son was a freshman. Welcome to the hsbbweb btw
Basically, the coaches place the players and some programs have more success at it than others. Placement is generally done in the fall. Often times it depends on the types of relationships coaches have with one or more summer teams and leagues. Sometimes the players can get themselves placed by some previous relationship with a team. Either way, getting placed is the important part.
I was told it is somewhat more difficult to place freshman for the reasons you mention but if your coach has a good track record of putting his players in the summer leagues, then I am guessing he will have no problem finding a home for your son. Nothing wrong with calling them and asking them what their procedure is for placing a kid. It is also good to express that desire so the coach knows he has a hungry kid who wants to improve his skills in the summer time.
CD is TB learning at his SC team? I have found with most players I talked to is that there is no development on their teams. We were told the team was a development team but haven't seen any where my guy is. They just show up and play.
The problem is the guys are all over the place and no transportation. He has a great roommate who doesn't believe in working out.
His one friend has a 10:00pm curfew. Needless to say he is not a happy 20yo.
I talked to him last night and he is counting the days.
TJ is 50 min from the ball park.
His one friend has a 10:00pm curfew. Needless to say he is not a happy 20yo.
I talked to him last night and he is counting the days.
TJ is 50 min from the ball park.
There is basically no development in summer leagues. As CD says, it's usually show up and play even in the top leagues. Instruction is left for the instructors. Sometimes the older players will help out the younger guys.
One very good reason is that most college coaches don't want other coaches messing with anything they may have to undo in the fall. And summer coaches respect that. Sometimes a college coach may ask one of the coaches he has sent a player to work on skills.
ast summer our outfielder came back a pitcher.
One very good reason is that most college coaches don't want other coaches messing with anything they may have to undo in the fall. And summer coaches respect that. Sometimes a college coach may ask one of the coaches he has sent a player to work on skills.
ast summer our outfielder came back a pitcher.
miken515 -
CD has given a good detail of the process of summer ball. I'd do exactly as he says and have your son call the college coach.
How summer ball works varies greatly between college levels and then within each program. My son's JUCO coach had everyone placed that fall with some in the more prestigious summer ball programs and some in less known, but good leagues. A kid just had to sign their contract and that was that.
Now, at his NAIA, the coach doesn't place kids routinely in summer ball. They did have several placed in the Northwoods League this summer (all pitchers if I remember correctly).
Pitchers stand an easier chance of getting a spot for the summer. My son chose to stay home this summer and pitch for a team once a week about an hour and a half away. He got calls from a couple of other places simply because they needed pitching - he did nothing to "reach out". So, some of your son's options may depend on his position. If he's a pitcher, he'll have no problems finding a place if it's not done for him!
CD has given a good detail of the process of summer ball. I'd do exactly as he says and have your son call the college coach.
How summer ball works varies greatly between college levels and then within each program. My son's JUCO coach had everyone placed that fall with some in the more prestigious summer ball programs and some in less known, but good leagues. A kid just had to sign their contract and that was that.
Now, at his NAIA, the coach doesn't place kids routinely in summer ball. They did have several placed in the Northwoods League this summer (all pitchers if I remember correctly).
Pitchers stand an easier chance of getting a spot for the summer. My son chose to stay home this summer and pitch for a team once a week about an hour and a half away. He got calls from a couple of other places simply because they needed pitching - he did nothing to "reach out". So, some of your son's options may depend on his position. If he's a pitcher, he'll have no problems finding a place if it's not done for him!
Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences. I've been a lurker on this site for some time and have gained a lot of insight into this part of the game and credit HSBBW with helping my son move on to the next level. I will have him contact his coach and see about getting the ball rolling for next year. Thanks again.
As an incoming freshman I don't think,IMO, this is something that should be discussed before your son arrives at school.
Very few freshman actually do get assigned to summer college leagues in the fall, sometimes it depends on whether the coach thinks he needs it or not. Often times the top leagues do not want a freshman unless he has proven himself, as they are very competitive. Top recruits may get assigned but many of the new players don't even get assignments until the spring. Many freshman opt not to play colege summer leagues after a long year of adjustments. They may head home and play in a local league. It also depends on the coaches contacts and where he sends players and like everything else, team needs.
Mine opted to turn down his summer assignment first year. He was tired, needed a break. I think it proved more valuable for him to take a rest, begin working out before he returned to school and work on improving new habits. I am not sure what position your son plays, but IMO, most pitchers who put in significant work as freshman should take the summer off. As far as hitters, it's productive to get at bats if you have not your first year. Our first round pick in the 2006 draft didn't play on any top summer league, but opted to workout and work on his tools.
Just sit back and enjoy his first year and let the coaches decide where your son may or may not go next summer.
Very few freshman actually do get assigned to summer college leagues in the fall, sometimes it depends on whether the coach thinks he needs it or not. Often times the top leagues do not want a freshman unless he has proven himself, as they are very competitive. Top recruits may get assigned but many of the new players don't even get assignments until the spring. Many freshman opt not to play colege summer leagues after a long year of adjustments. They may head home and play in a local league. It also depends on the coaches contacts and where he sends players and like everything else, team needs.
Mine opted to turn down his summer assignment first year. He was tired, needed a break. I think it proved more valuable for him to take a rest, begin working out before he returned to school and work on improving new habits. I am not sure what position your son plays, but IMO, most pitchers who put in significant work as freshman should take the summer off. As far as hitters, it's productive to get at bats if you have not your first year. Our first round pick in the 2006 draft didn't play on any top summer league, but opted to workout and work on his tools.
Just sit back and enjoy his first year and let the coaches decide where your son may or may not go next summer.
I would caution you to investigate the summer team just as you did the college.
Make sure it is what you are looking for. My son turned down an assigment as a freshman but was talked into it in his soph year. never again without some in depth investigation.
Make sure it is what you are looking for. My son turned down an assigment as a freshman but was talked into it in his soph year. never again without some in depth investigation.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
I would caution you to investigate the summer team just as you did the college.
Make sure it is what you are looking for. My son turned down an assigment as a freshman but was talked into it in his soph year. never again without some in depth investigation.
What league is he playing in?
This is a great thread...perhaps approaching "golden" status...as we approach our son's Soph year and hopeful placement in a league for Summer 08.
I think BobbleheadDoll nailed it in investigating the team and the league, for one thing I am beginning to sense (from reading this post and talking to some) is that POLITICS is a big part of summer ball, particularly if a league allows/invites D3 players. Those players in leagues such as the Valley and CPL (our part of the country) appear to be getting little looks at playing time, even if their talent level is on-par with the D1 players. It seems the teams do not want to lose the connection with the D1 schools...and I guess I can understand that. Thus, it seems that investigating the leagues and teams is even more important for those of us in the D3 bracket.
I think BobbleheadDoll nailed it in investigating the team and the league, for one thing I am beginning to sense (from reading this post and talking to some) is that POLITICS is a big part of summer ball, particularly if a league allows/invites D3 players. Those players in leagues such as the Valley and CPL (our part of the country) appear to be getting little looks at playing time, even if their talent level is on-par with the D1 players. It seems the teams do not want to lose the connection with the D1 schools...and I guess I can understand that. Thus, it seems that investigating the leagues and teams is even more important for those of us in the D3 bracket.
Good comments about summer placement!
At my son's school last year, the FR were told by upperclassmen that only the players with a future on the team got summer placements, which were handed out early in the fall. Imagine the stress many FR were feeling, seeing other players placed while they hadn't heard anything.
In the end, this may have been a bit of "hazing" by the older players! Everyone is playing somewhere and not everyone got their assignments in Oct. Coaches were very helpful in handing down assignments, but we didn't ask... just waited and it all worked out.
I guess I should be glad that my son has been placed with a host family that also is housing the pitching coach for the summer team. The boy is living and breathing baseball, both at the field and over the dinner table!
As far as working out in the summer, my son's college conditioning trainer sent everyone home with 8 weeks of workouts. The second 8 weeks arrived via email in mid-July. Players are working out on their own and the arrival of scholarship renewal notices seems to have motivated my son to apply himself more in the gym! Dollar signs are good motivation! However, with 10 road games in the next 6 days, it will be hard to workout while away from home. Sometimes they have access to a local college and get to use their gym. Running is always in style!
At my son's school last year, the FR were told by upperclassmen that only the players with a future on the team got summer placements, which were handed out early in the fall. Imagine the stress many FR were feeling, seeing other players placed while they hadn't heard anything.
In the end, this may have been a bit of "hazing" by the older players! Everyone is playing somewhere and not everyone got their assignments in Oct. Coaches were very helpful in handing down assignments, but we didn't ask... just waited and it all worked out.
I guess I should be glad that my son has been placed with a host family that also is housing the pitching coach for the summer team. The boy is living and breathing baseball, both at the field and over the dinner table!
As far as working out in the summer, my son's college conditioning trainer sent everyone home with 8 weeks of workouts. The second 8 weeks arrived via email in mid-July. Players are working out on their own and the arrival of scholarship renewal notices seems to have motivated my son to apply himself more in the gym! Dollar signs are good motivation! However, with 10 road games in the next 6 days, it will be hard to workout while away from home. Sometimes they have access to a local college and get to use their gym. Running is always in style!
quote:At my son's school last year, the FR were told by upperclassmen that only the players with a future on the team got summer placements, which were handed out early in the fall.
Did the nice seniors ask the newbies to bring out the "batters box" and left-handed bats?
quote:think BobbleheadDoll nailed it in investigating the team and the league, for one thing I am beginning to sense (from reading this post and talking to some) is that POLITICS is a big part of summer ball, particularly if a league allows/invites D3 players. Those players in leagues such as the Valley and CPL (our part of the country) appear to be getting little looks at playing time, even if their talent level is on-par with the D1 players. It seems the teams do not want to lose the connection with the D1 schools...and I guess I can understand that. Thus, it seems that investigating the leagues and teams is even more important for those of us in the D3 bracket.
JT,
While it has been a few years since for us, I think the only place where DIII's have a very hard time getting a look is the Cape. Our son's college coach is extremely diligent in summer placements which include the NECBL, Texas Collegiate, and Coastal Plain, amongst others. His DIII players in those leagues have never had a problem with playing time. In fact, one Trinity pitcher this year is in the Texas Collegiate All Star game and one is the top pitcher for the Lowell/Mill City All Americans and should be an NECBL All Star.
From what I know, GM's/coaches in summer leagues really do want to win. While I know from one experience there can be some deference to a DI player from an SEC school compared with a DIII player, the best players will play. Might require the DIII to be a bit more versatile and change positions, but if he performs and produces, he will play.
To be honest, I am not sure there is a lot a parent can do to research or "influence" these type of choices and decisions. Team selection/placement is greatly influenced by the college coach, and his efforts credibility and relationships. I have said many times that this is something that is often overlooked in the college recruiting process/selection process but it is something every player and parent should discuss with a prospective college coach, before choosing a school/program.
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Really good advice to all...something we never did...
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quote:I have said many times that this is something that is often overlooked in the college recruiting process/selection process but it is something every player and parent should discuss with a prospective college coach, before choosing a school/program.
Really good advice to all...something we never did...
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Bobbleheaddad,
I am going to answer your post here so parents can understand what college summer leagues are about ,in my opinion.
First unless you are among league leaders, stats are meaningless. Being upset because someone is not keeping correct stats is meaningless and not a reason to find fault in summer programs. Obviously you are very hung up on stats, I have to tell you that in all 3 years son played in college, we never went back to check if someone made a mistake, not did we care. But I can assure you that if my son's living accomodations were not as expected, I would have spoken up (I guess mom's see things differently). Years ago many leagues had housing problems, I heard a story about one cape team (years ago) that had 4 boys sleeping in the basement on cots for one summer. This has changed significantly, as teams want the players to come and if bad vibes go back to coaches, they won't send players anymore. Workouts for my son were his own responsibility, he ran everyday and did his core exercises and went to the gym after he worked in the morning a few times a week. yes he had transportation, but if it wasn't available we would have asked that he be moved closer to town.
Summer leagues serve many purposes. First, in looking back at son's summer experience it is very much a mini introduction to pro ball. Play everyday, travel on the bus (on teh cape with traffic it's sometimes a long way on a hot bus), learn to use your off the field time wisely, and get in at bats and innings with woodbats. If your son was told it was a developmental league, your son's college coach should have spoken to the manager to alert him if he felt your son needed instruction. But as I stated before, most summer baseball managers do not instruct for reasons I stated before.
Great point was made about discussion with college coach about summer leagues during recruiting. Out of the two schools he had narrowed down, his coach guaranteed time at the cape, while the other high profile SEC school could not commit which league.
I am going to answer your post here so parents can understand what college summer leagues are about ,in my opinion.
First unless you are among league leaders, stats are meaningless. Being upset because someone is not keeping correct stats is meaningless and not a reason to find fault in summer programs. Obviously you are very hung up on stats, I have to tell you that in all 3 years son played in college, we never went back to check if someone made a mistake, not did we care. But I can assure you that if my son's living accomodations were not as expected, I would have spoken up (I guess mom's see things differently). Years ago many leagues had housing problems, I heard a story about one cape team (years ago) that had 4 boys sleeping in the basement on cots for one summer. This has changed significantly, as teams want the players to come and if bad vibes go back to coaches, they won't send players anymore. Workouts for my son were his own responsibility, he ran everyday and did his core exercises and went to the gym after he worked in the morning a few times a week. yes he had transportation, but if it wasn't available we would have asked that he be moved closer to town.
Summer leagues serve many purposes. First, in looking back at son's summer experience it is very much a mini introduction to pro ball. Play everyday, travel on the bus (on teh cape with traffic it's sometimes a long way on a hot bus), learn to use your off the field time wisely, and get in at bats and innings with woodbats. If your son was told it was a developmental league, your son's college coach should have spoken to the manager to alert him if he felt your son needed instruction. But as I stated before, most summer baseball managers do not instruct for reasons I stated before.
Great point was made about discussion with college coach about summer leagues during recruiting. Out of the two schools he had narrowed down, his coach guaranteed time at the cape, while the other high profile SEC school could not commit which league.
First that was a private discussion and I don't appreciate you putting it on the forum. That is a 1st.
Secondly my son's host is the bright spot in all of this.They are lovely people and his accomodations are excellent.
I am complaining about my son's stats because he is being given ERs when he pictches scorless innings which you doubted my word. I gave you proof and I don't know if you have an answer for a guy getting a HR and no ER. This is blatant sloppy scorekeeping at best and a player deserves better.
2 runs on and 1 out and son goes in. The runs score and charged to my son.
TPM you are so perfect !!!
Secondly my son's host is the bright spot in all of this.They are lovely people and his accomodations are excellent.
I am complaining about my son's stats because he is being given ERs when he pictches scorless innings which you doubted my word. I gave you proof and I don't know if you have an answer for a guy getting a HR and no ER. This is blatant sloppy scorekeeping at best and a player deserves better.
2 runs on and 1 out and son goes in. The runs score and charged to my son.
TPM you are so perfect !!!
[QUOTE] TPM you are so perfect !!!
Really?
I am sorry, you have been putting a negative light on summer ball for parents wanting to know about the experience.
You have complained about poor stat keeping where your son goes to school. I am not doubting your word, you are just too hung up on it. It's just not important and lends nothing to the positives in the experience.
You mentioned here that your son was far from the field, no instruction, no conditioning, players disinterested he was disinterested. I never said anything negative about your son's host family, I was giving an example of what I feel are really bad experiences, but it's nice that you mentioned that to be positive about something.
Really?
I am sorry, you have been putting a negative light on summer ball for parents wanting to know about the experience.
You have complained about poor stat keeping where your son goes to school. I am not doubting your word, you are just too hung up on it. It's just not important and lends nothing to the positives in the experience.
You mentioned here that your son was far from the field, no instruction, no conditioning, players disinterested he was disinterested. I never said anything negative about your son's host family, I was giving an example of what I feel are really bad experiences, but it's nice that you mentioned that to be positive about something.
quote:Years ago many leagues had housing problems, I heard a story about one cape team (years ago) that had 4 boys sleeping in the basement on cots for one summer.
You really have a problem with the English language.
My complaints were well founded and you kept pressing for the team's name. I told you I had no intention of naming the team on here and my comments were cautionary in general and not realated to the team specicically.
I pointed out that promises were made and not kept such as a job. My son gave up summer emplayment based on their promises.
You just choise under theguise of helping parents to abuse a private discussion and that in my book is ignorant and rude. I have several people I PM (Private Message ) and I would never reveal anything they say to me.
I had no intention of embarrasing the team or the league.
quote:First unless you are among league leaders, stats are meaningless
This line is both arrogant and rude as well.
quote:I have to tell you that in all 3 years son played in college, we never went back to check if someone made a mistake, not did we care.
More arrogance.
Can't be arrogant because son has never been a leader in any stat category, if that is what you were referring to. Never been an All American, never been nominated for anything. Never made any important list but the ACC ALL ACADEMIC honor role. In fact one time a webster thought he might be the ACC player of the week, missed by either an run or a hit, less strikouts, never bothered to check if someone goofed.
Hello, wake up I asked what league, NEVER what team, YOU said in a post here he was playing in the Northwoods League. But that isn't so, correct, if I really wanted to give away your pm (which you sent me) I could have mentioned that.
IT'S NOT IMPORTANT to the summer experience or IMO to the college experience as well. Players stats are only important if they show improvement from year to year in college or to be named as conference top players or school leaders. It doesn't prevent you from getting other opportunities in life.
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Hello, wake up I asked what league, NEVER what team, YOU said in a post here he was playing in the Northwoods League. But that isn't so, correct, if I really wanted to give away your pm (which you sent me) I could have mentioned that.
IT'S NOT IMPORTANT to the summer experience or IMO to the college experience as well. Players stats are only important if they show improvement from year to year in college or to be named as conference top players or school leaders. It doesn't prevent you from getting other opportunities in life.
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Geez you sure got me fooled.
Don't you think it is my business if I want to watch my son's stats ?
He is not upset with his stats. He only cares about college. We should have checked things out better and that was my purpose of the post. My son also likes the coaches but said they are too laid back. He is honoring his commitment regardless of his feelings. he was hoping to play more competetivelyand work towards getting stronger and better. It has been a wasted summer.
Don't you think it is my business if I want to watch my son's stats ?
He is not upset with his stats. He only cares about college. We should have checked things out better and that was my purpose of the post. My son also likes the coaches but said they are too laid back. He is honoring his commitment regardless of his feelings. he was hoping to play more competetivelyand work towards getting stronger and better. It has been a wasted summer.
There are several levels of collegiate summer leagues and teams.
Some leagues draw several hundreds and even thousands of fans to the games. Some play at noon and have very few if any fans attend. Some teams play in the desert, out side of corn fields (maybe fields of dreams), and some play on an island in the middle of the Pacific!
Some leagues and teams provide full support for the players to play in where housing is provided by host families, or team housing, where others do not provide housing at all.
Some teams play at very nice facilities and others play a run down high schools. Some have high school players and other have players who will be drafted high the next summer.
One thing for sure is the teams are doing their best to provide somewhere for college players to work on their skills over the summer. Some are just for the enjoyment of the owner of the teams and some are big business and the heart of the community.
Some have great web sites where stats are on line and kept up to date or even on line like game tracker and have the games broadcast over the radio and the internet. Other teams/leagues barely have a web site let alone rosters.
From what I see, in most cases it is up to the coaches to place their players, as previously stated it is from contacts that the coaches have or inquires that the coaches make. It appears that the coaches will send their top players to the top teams/leagues, where others are sent to less glamorous leagues with some time less talented players.
Some schools do not place their players on summer teams and want them to work over the summer to get stronger and possibly take summer school and others who don’t place their players and their players make their own contact to find somewhere to play over the summer.
It is up to the player to make the best of their situation, whether it is from a program given to them by the school to get better to working on their own to get better so they will go to the College World Series or so they will be able to compete in the fall for a position in the spring.
Bottom line the player needs to talk to their coaches about what level of summer ball they want to play or even at all, but reality is the top leagues/teams want the best players and it is not always up to the player or coach where they can find a right team to play for and what type of support the team provides.
Some leagues draw several hundreds and even thousands of fans to the games. Some play at noon and have very few if any fans attend. Some teams play in the desert, out side of corn fields (maybe fields of dreams), and some play on an island in the middle of the Pacific!
Some leagues and teams provide full support for the players to play in where housing is provided by host families, or team housing, where others do not provide housing at all.
Some teams play at very nice facilities and others play a run down high schools. Some have high school players and other have players who will be drafted high the next summer.
One thing for sure is the teams are doing their best to provide somewhere for college players to work on their skills over the summer. Some are just for the enjoyment of the owner of the teams and some are big business and the heart of the community.
Some have great web sites where stats are on line and kept up to date or even on line like game tracker and have the games broadcast over the radio and the internet. Other teams/leagues barely have a web site let alone rosters.
From what I see, in most cases it is up to the coaches to place their players, as previously stated it is from contacts that the coaches have or inquires that the coaches make. It appears that the coaches will send their top players to the top teams/leagues, where others are sent to less glamorous leagues with some time less talented players.
Some schools do not place their players on summer teams and want them to work over the summer to get stronger and possibly take summer school and others who don’t place their players and their players make their own contact to find somewhere to play over the summer.
It is up to the player to make the best of their situation, whether it is from a program given to them by the school to get better to working on their own to get better so they will go to the College World Series or so they will be able to compete in the fall for a position in the spring.
Bottom line the player needs to talk to their coaches about what level of summer ball they want to play or even at all, but reality is the top leagues/teams want the best players and it is not always up to the player or coach where they can find a right team to play for and what type of support the team provides.
quote:it only binding in holding you to that particular league or team?
quote:What if he gets burned out this next year and doesn't want to play next summer?
He will be in an internship program for a career.
If he gets burned out or doesn't want to work next summer, he'll probably need to change career paths........
The contract is binding only if the player decides NOT to play any ball at all in the summer. Some of the stronger leagues will allow you to break teh contract and play for smaller leagues closer to home.
It more or less prevents players from committing to one and playing for others, sort of like a summer league NLI.
It more or less prevents players from committing to one and playing for others, sort of like a summer league NLI.
As always, FO... thank you for assisting me along this path. I love your response as far as looking at it as a summer internship program.
AND, TPM... thank you as well for taking your time out (again) to help someone a bit behind you in this process.
Next question... cost involved?
AND, TPM... thank you as well for taking your time out (again) to help someone a bit behind you in this process.
Next question... cost involved?
Costs depend on the league.
I can only go by my son's experience. 50 dollars a week to host family. On teh cape most of teh host families just turn around and give it back to teh team as a donation. NCAA rules prohibit free room and board.
Transportation was paid for (miledge) and son worked a few hours a day which essentially paid for his lodging. he ate out after games but his host family provided breakfast and lunch and snacks and everything else you could find at your own home. My son had a truck so gas was an expense.
All leagues are run differently.
FYI, my son signed a contract but after a long freshman season, as a pitcher he took off the summer and was released. He was sort of burned out, but I don't think he really ever considered any other profession.
I can only go by my son's experience. 50 dollars a week to host family. On teh cape most of teh host families just turn around and give it back to teh team as a donation. NCAA rules prohibit free room and board.
Transportation was paid for (miledge) and son worked a few hours a day which essentially paid for his lodging. he ate out after games but his host family provided breakfast and lunch and snacks and everything else you could find at your own home. My son had a truck so gas was an expense.
All leagues are run differently.
FYI, my son signed a contract but after a long freshman season, as a pitcher he took off the summer and was released. He was sort of burned out, but I don't think he really ever considered any other profession.
My son was fortunate to play in the Texas Collegeiate League for two summers.
He was able to stay with a very good host family.
They use wood.
Stay with host families.
Play about 60 games in sixty days.
Ride buses.
Get no money.
With my son now having almost 60 days of minor league baseball under his belt, I can give you some comparisons.
They use wood.
Stay with host families.
Play about 60 games in sixty days. (Short season)
Ride buses.
Get money.
There's more for scouts to observe in the summer collegeiate league internship than hitting, fielding, pitching, and running bases.
There is a grind to playing everyday.
That internship is very important.
Until recently, the summer collegiate leagues were funded by MLB through the NCAA....................
He was able to stay with a very good host family.
They use wood.
Stay with host families.
Play about 60 games in sixty days.
Ride buses.
Get no money.
With my son now having almost 60 days of minor league baseball under his belt, I can give you some comparisons.
They use wood.
Stay with host families.
Play about 60 games in sixty days. (Short season)
Ride buses.
Get money.
There's more for scouts to observe in the summer collegeiate league internship than hitting, fielding, pitching, and running bases.
There is a grind to playing everyday.
That internship is very important.
Until recently, the summer collegiate leagues were funded by MLB through the NCAA....................