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Congratulations to both teams! It was a great series to watch. It's too bad that Flower Mound STILL can't win the right way. The same kid for last four years shows no respect for the game or his teammates.

Why does the FMHS coach allow him to repeatedly pull his stunts? I don't care how good you are or you think you are, Flower Mound doesn't know what sportsmanship is. For the last two years this team thinks they are above everyone else. They are a great team with great kids (i know 7 of them personally) but the greatness is ruined by the acts of one. I am surprised the new FMHS AD is OK with it.

The despicable act of sportsmanship at the end of the game by your player should not be tolerated. It all starts with the head coach and the values they teach or don't teach at FMHS.

RESPECT THE GAME FMHS!
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pulled his hands up from his side as six shooters with index fingers out and thumbs up and fired a few "shots" to the student crowd. ( like a Cowboy ) No middle finger as I'm sure that's what tranfer would like to think. I was watching REALLY close, Trust me. Deeeeeespicable!!! I won't mention the little stunt by the Coppell left fielder during hand shakes.
Really....for the record on the final out he walked towards our dugout and "fired shots" towards our bench AND student section and waived bye-bye to us after being eliminated.

The middle finger was not used but i am sure you recall he did that last summer towards the fans.

If I was his dad I would teach him to respect the game or someone else will. He is a talented young man but show some respect and act like youv'e been there before.

JetPack, the left fielder walked through the line and responded to the gesturing and antics of the flower mound player.
Is this the same kid that had all that power at the beginning of the year with that magical red bat? That has had no power numbers since the woodlans tournament. I wonder if the college he is going to knows of his antics. That team at FMHS is great program has been great since the school opened to bad one has to tarnish the the program that was built by Matlock, Stinson, and some great assistants.
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Originally posted by Rbi's up the middle:
Is this the same kid that had all that power at the beginning of the year with that magical red bat? That has had no power numbers since the woodlans tournament. I wonder if the college he is going to knows of his antics. That team at FMHS is great program has been great since the school opened to bad one has to tarnish the the program that was built by Matlock, Stinson, and some great assistants.

RBI
Aren't you one those "great" assistant coaches that got let go from the program about 4 years ago. You like to post just to try to bring the program down. havent heard from you for a couple of months. By the way, he is hitting around .480.
I know those assitants very well and I do believe two of the are head coaches and are doing very well one just one bi-district and the other is turning a program around in Garland and I believe the other is about to be a principal. I do know these men and the attitude or swaggger that the young man at flower mound showed they would not put up with. It was childissh and uncalled for act like you have been there before cause Fmhs has. It is really nice that he is hitting .480 but does not excuse his actions at all.
Fear Not! It will get fixed at the next level or the player will go away. Baseball never forgets and at the next level, EVERYBODY is Good! I saw it from the 4th inning on and it is difficult to watch, but Baseball never forgets. It's a shame, because there are players on both sides that I have coached and care about greatly.

It's time for us traditionalist to comprehend that players and young men have changed and we have to deal with it. Not like it, deal with it. It wasn't the only fiasco I witnessed this weekend in a playoff series. It is every where. I had a 16 year old short stop chirping at me last summer. Great Player, but chirping at the coach. Come on?? It is what it is. Entitlement at it's finest. That is a part of this generation. And oh by the way, it was created by the adults raising this generation (myself included).

Just remember, players don't get away with anything in this game. Baseball never forgets.
You know it is pretty bad when my phone is blowing up with text message saying hey check out hsbaseballweb, I think people are talking about you. So me being me I naturally go look and I want to get something straight my name is Brett Ray I have been in EOC testing since 6:45 this morning. I had some great times the two years I was at Flower Mound High School Coaching made alot of great friends and coached alot of great kids. I lost some great friends along the way and I am sorry for that JT I here the team up there is doing will and I am very happy for your little boy you have, you are very blessed. This is the last time you will here from me on this forum, keep my name or any mention of me and flower mound out of this. I hope they do well they have a good team. If you want to talk to me find out my opinions text me or call me @ 972-975-7865
Thanks
Brett Ray
It's funny how mad people get once someone wins. All you hatters only get mad once flower mound wins. And to say that flower mound is the unclassy team is absolutely false. During the whole game the hole coppell student section was saying things that were completely inappropriate. The flower mound student section is amazing. They don't say anything inappropriate they just let the pitcher know that he can't throw a strike. Oh yeah and at the end of the game the left fielder was to busy crying on the foul line and wouldn't shake any of the flower mound players hands. Maybe if I was his dad I would teach him how to respect the other team, maybe he needs to learn how accept that he got beat. Coppell was the only team that didn't show class, and the coppell student section was one of the worst ones ever, they should be embarrassed to that the flower mound student section was bigger and stood up the entire game.
RBI, you are correct the kid with the red bat. He knew it was wrong to use it. Your Flower mound program was much better with those coaches around who had character. DM was the best in HS baseball at the time.

Bball4 - regarding our student section...do you not believe the Big 12/SEC students will be much worse? Go watch a college game and see what awaits your alter boy.
Okay, let's see the whole situation from the audience now. Yes, The Coppell v Flower Mound baseball game the other night was won by the Jaguars. The endin result is Coppell being booted from the Texas Baseball Playoffs. Unfortunately, the Jaguars Are now being falsely accused after a great accOmplishment and the criticism is taking away from the win.

Durin the game, the Coppell student section chanted for there team, however there chants were aimed solely at the deprication of the Flower Mound baseball players. Tyler Pollok approached the plate an recieved such names as "Fatass" and "try Weight Watchers". These comments continued through out the game directed at almost every player. The Coppell section had no regard for anything others than cheering forth gain attention for themselves. On the flip side, the Flower Mound section cheered simple, old-school chants. "let's go jaguars" was the most common of all chants. The "ball four!" chant is potentially their most intense chant. The aim is for the pitcher to be distracted, unlike the Coppell approach to maliciously verbalize players to make them angry. So in whole, Coppell claims that Flower Mound is not classy or respectful all he while their own students make obscene remarks at the players. You decide who was being actual cheerleaders and fans, to me the evidence supplies the result of the non-classy fans.

Now, to move on to the game itself. The whole game was a constant battle for the Jaguars to remain ahead of the Cowboys. A rain delay stopped the game shortly and during this time, the Coppell student section moved spots to where the Jaguar fans were sitting before they were told to go to their cars for the duration o the delay. After the delay, the Coppell students refused to leave until their OWN assistant principles forced them to, showing no respect for the Flower Mound AP. the game continued and concluded the series with the Jaguars sweeping the Cowboys in two games. A member of the Cowboys dropped to all fours after the game ended and refused to get up and shake the hands of the Flower Mound team. This one moment is a lack of classic baseball etiquette. No matter the outcome of the game even in the severity of the stakes, all members of both teams line up to shake hands. This one member refuse to stand up even though his whole team was already shaking hands, this individual did not stand up. This act is selfish and shows that even though his team lost and shook hands, that his burden IN THE SAME LOSS was heavier than all the other players'. Another member of the team was on-deck and he too dropped to his knees, but he however stood up to shake the Jaguars' hands. So for the Coppell fans to hone in on the next conflict shows they have no actual clue of baseball etiquette. The hand ritual were almost complete when the crying player sprung to his legs ready to fight after a comment about shaking hands. Then, a Jaguar player did the six-shooter salute to the fans and continued on over to the dug-out. This salute is much like the claw/antlers for the Texas Rangers, it is a simple congratulations. There was no obscene finger gesture made the entire time. Once again, I ask what is the fault, a selfish act by a Coppell player, or a misunderstood post-game salute.

So, if you take anything away from this, take this. FORGET YOUR BIAS, forget that Flower Mound won and Coppell lost, the evidence is clear that Coppell showed blatant disrespect for the players and the game of baseball. Why even post this if you don't know all the details. This post itself is one team being upset over a loss and instantly jumping to the conclusion that the other is at fault. Watch the online broadcast if your memory is some how fuzzy, you will see the same thing I'm telling you. Listen to the announcers praise the student section at Flower Mound, and listen to the disrespectful comments by Coppell. It is simple, this forum should now be over. Boom.
If you know religion and are a Christian there is nothing in the bible that says cursing is a sin it is only society that has ruled those words bad. And I thought this was about Andrew not his parents do not get them involved because this isn't about them. All Andrew said was Craig your team is over here because he was laying on the the ground while the rest of the Coppell team was respectively giving the flower mound team high fives. While Craig responded with multiple f u Andrew. Not to mention the police officer was pulling him off the field, yes Craig was being pulled off by a police officer because he charged Andrew. Andrew only responded the way he did because they way Craig acted and also by the way the Coppell student section was acting. I'm sure none of you would like to be continuously yelled at and called names. The game is over and you can't do anything to change the outcome or what happened. continuously going on and on about how two kids acted during a game isn't going to do anything but make people angry and have others involved.
And Cowboys 3, we are aware of cOllege games. That has nothing to do with the fact that fellow Coppell fans call us disrespectful and nonclassy. Open your eyes kid, quit being so concrete, you guys were blantanty disrespectful and harsh while all we did was cheer and win the game. Quit being sore, y'all have already lost and we are moving on, honestly there is no point to your arguments, so get off your high horse and take a look at the situation. We won you lost. The game is over and there is nothing that will change that outcome.
I will say this, I stood by the Flower Mound student section for an inning and they were not out of line with their support. Didn't hear any language or anything other than good old fashion ragging. It was a tremendous show of support. Can't speak to the Coppell students, didn't hear it.

I can't support the behavior on the field regardless of what is going on in the stands. Those players are better than that. No excuses, it was wrong and move on. Baseball will fix this as Cole Hamels found out yesterday. You just hope the players fix it before it gets someone hurt.

I do enjoy this rivalry between Coppell and Flower Mound that takes place every time they play. That's why I went over there the other night and it was an electric atmosphere. Both programs had tremendous support and it was a good series. I hate the fact that this board promotes lack of accountability from people who cast stones and hide behind a moniker.

Jeez, I wonder why our young men find it difficult to accept accountability? We now have interpretations of the Bible that allow F Bombs. Wow, am I out of touch.

Truth is, this is worse than in years past because their is no accountability. Used to be that if you popped off, there was a chance you would have to defend yourself from a beating. That thought, will keep a young man from getting stupid. Now, if that happens, then daddy hires a lawyer and sues for triple damages for pain and suffering. When in essence, the pain was deserved and the suffering was dessert.
*Jag4life

If you know religion and are a Christian there is nothing in the bible that says cursing is a sin it is only society that has ruled those words bad.*

Interesting comment! Why is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse? We should only allow good and positive things to come out of our mouths - things that will encourage other people (Ephesians 4:29). It is not right for praising and cursing to come out of the same mouth (James 3:9-12).  

Maybe a gray area for you on cursing being a sin. In the heat of battle I get it you can lose your cool. I'm gonna think the fm young man doesn't go dropping f bombs in church!
Quote: By the way, he is hitting around .480.

Kid is hitting .480 because of stat padding and recording errors as hits. Even making adjustments after originally recorded. This may happen in all programs but I know it happens at FM.

Class of program has been in decline ever since Matlock left as there is zero accountability for actions of a few and even less from their parents. Gets worse every year it seems.

I know several parents who had kids who went thru this program not that long ago, some who still have kids in the program, and some with kids still to go thru the program and all are in agreement.
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I can't support the behavior on the field regardless of what is going on in the stands. Those players are better than that. No excuses, it was wrong and move on. Baseball will fix this as Cole Hamels found out yesterday. You just hope the players fix it before it gets someone hurt.

Jeez, I wonder why our young men find it difficult to accept accountability? We now have interpretations of the Bible that allow F Bombs. Wow, am I out of touch.

Truth is, this is worse than in years past because their is no accountability. Used to be that if you popped off, there was a chance you would have to defend yourself from a beating. That thought, will keep a young man from getting stupid. Now, if that happens, then daddy hires a lawyer and sues for triple damages for pain and suffering. When in essence, the pain was deserved and the suffering was dessert.




Very Nice
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I read this **** and it just makes me shudder. I bunch of parents placing so much emphasis on HS baseball that they have resorted to this type of thread? And you wonder why some of the boys act the way they do on the field?

Look, every school has kids that cause problems in environments like this. The large majority of the kids are pretty good, but there are a few that take it too far...EVERYWHERE AT EVERY SCHOOL. It is absurd to say that one school has kids quoting scripture in the stands while the kids are sacrificing a baby calf in the other stands.

I really wish you guys would just enjoy your kids playing and quit trying to parent for everyone else. Handle your own business...my guess is it needs some attention...I know mine does.

This stuff is going to be over soon and I guarantee you that you will wish you had enjoyed it more and spent less time arguing about stuff like this.

Good luck to all win or lose!
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Originally posted by iluvgoodbaseball:
Quote: By the way, he is hitting around .480.

Kid is hitting .480 because of stat padding and recording errors as hits. Even making adjustments after originally recorded. This may happen in all programs but I know it happens at FM.

Class of program has been in decline ever since Matlock left as there is zero accountability for actions of a few and even less from their parents. Gets worse every year it seems.
I know several parents who had kids who went thru this program not that long ago, some who still have kids in the program, and some with kids still to go thru the program and all are in agreement.


Hey luvgoodbaseball, thanks for being at all the FM games and keeping the scorebook! Luv the way you take one comment and create a new way to bash FM.
Priceless.
I did see BigTrain there and he started it all by throwing a hotdog with mustard, no chili or cheese but it did have onions at the announcer. The annoumcer then mispronounced a kid from coppell's name which made his parent mad. The parent got the coppell students to start a satanic chant and tried to put a curse on fm. The fm player that has a finger six shooter did quickley sacrifice the baby lamb just in time to ward of the curse. Man I wish my kid played in that district, our games are boring.
Let's take out the students, parents, religion, past coaches, and focus on the real issue at hand...a certain Flower Mound baseball player always thinks he is better than everyone. His actions were an embarassment to the entire team last Friday night in Coppell.

Why is it Flower Mound has kids that think they are above the game? It all starts with leadership. Take a close look Flower Mound cause everyone is watching.
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Quote: Hey luvgoodbaseball, thanks for being at all the FM games and keeping the scorebook! Luv the way you take one comment and create a new way to bash FM.
Priceless.

I am more familiar with the keepings of the scorebook and other things going on at FM than you might think. Just stating the facts, not bashing. Nothing would make me happier than for FM to regain the respect they had during and for a couple of years after the Matlock days.

That would be priceless.
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Originally posted by transfer:
Let's take out the students, parents, religion, past coaches, and focus on the real issue at hand...a certain Flower Mound baseball player always thinks he is better than everyone. His actions were an embarassment to the entire team last Friday night in Coppell.

Why is it Flower Mound has kids that think they are above the game? It all starts with leadership. Take a close look Flower Mound cause everyone is watching.

Not sure why you are so intent on calling out my kid. Call me at 214-906-4666 and talk to me directly, man to man.
I loved watching my son play. His high school career is now officially over. Quite frankly, I was a little ashamed of myself this year because I really got to serious about what was going on. I probably did not enjoy it as much as I should have because I became way to critical. He actually had a great time. I have always prided myself on being removed and calm during his playing years. This year I failed him, myself and his team.

None of us are perfect. Our kids play a game built on imperfection. In fact it is based on failure. All of us parents should stop and reflect on how we have conducted ourselves. None of us are in a position to throw stones because we all live in glass houses. Lets just step back and be thankful that our children are healthy and have had the opportunity to play this great game. For those parents, including me and those kids who play the game, lets take the time to forgive them and ourselves for not living up to the standard that we have set for out kids and ourselves. Going forward, lets all try to conduct ourselves in a manner that we can be proud of. I know that I have alot of imperfections that I need to work on. I just hope that my son forgives me for my out of the ordinary conduct this past season and not emulate the worst of me.
It truly is disappointing, the fact that one person claims that one member of the team is an instigator and is the only one causing problems. This post was good or the first sentence, an then it turned in to a constant bash. The real disappointment comes with the members of either side...this is not debate team, you will not sway anybody's opinion. My last post was to show facts and now others are posting statistics claiming that there is fabrications. There were two specific times where it was questionable for a hit or error so for one to jump to a generalization is absurd. So enough with trying to justify sadness or bring down other players. THEY ARE HIGH SCHOOLERS, flip the situation and imagine your kids in this situation. I'm sure all parents of both teams have mixed feelings, so why create more drama. Just let this chill, no need for phone numbers and no need for belittling people's kids. Let's grow up and play Americas Pastime while we can, we never truly know when we our last game will be.

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