Corrupt Coaches Arrested!

adbono posted:

luv baseball posted:

It is possible that rooting for the old State U might not be the same if the players make some money.  But I am thinking SEC football will still be SEC football on Saturday afternoons no matter what.  The games might be better too.  Players that are a notch below NFL and NBA level would stay on for a couple of more years.  Borderline players making a decent amount might not feel the need to prematurely head off for greener pastures.  

If you want to really get crazy - NBA and NFL teams could draft players after 4 years and leave them on the College team for 2 more seasons.  More of a football than basketball thing for sure though. 

I guess nobody was paying attention a few days ago when old school accurately stated that Title IX would prevent anything like this ever happening. All the dialogue since his comment is fantasy.  Think about it - the first time a male athlete got paid a female athlete would have to get paid too. And if it want the same amount there is your first grievance. So you can forget the notion of paying college athletes unless you can get Title IX repealed - and good luck with that ! 

I disagree with your premise. The first time male athletes are paid, they become employees of the school, and Title IX has no bearing on their employment. Title IX is an education law, not an employment law.

The world is changing faster than ever. I wouldn't be shocked if a group of schools left the NCAA and formed their own sports focused conference. They simply have to stop taking federal funds to avoid Title IX. For most schools that's giving up tens of millions for the opportunity to make hundreds of millions. And in order to attract the best talent, they will pay some players.

Payment would be in the form of a stipend. Once they become employees all athletes lose amatuer status.

TPM posted:

Payment would be in the form of a stipend. Once they become employees all athletes lose amatuer status.

Both (stipends and amateur status) as define by the NCAA, right? Again, things change. When something finally threatens the NCAA's revenue, they will adapt. I think that threat will come from an independent conference. Remember when Olympians were "amateurs"?

TPM posted:

Payment would be in the form of a stipend. Once they become employees all athletes lose amatuer status.

 

So then I would ask again how is this going to change anything? How is paying a kid X amount going to compel him to turn down XX or XXX amount? Unless because of dealing with labor laws he's be looking at charges.

This will change things in the fundamental way college sports are structured.  The Power 5 and may be a few others will break away from the NCAA and swallow up the majority of the revenue associated with College sports - TV Money for Football & Basketball and the conference TV affiliations.

Once that money is carved out the entire existence of mid major schools is threatened and that means they will probably recede to a status closer to DIV II or III in football.  Without March madness basketball also takes a hit.

The bigger implication is weather college sports can survive outside Football & Basketball.  Once they are outside the educational mission of the school - will schools fund wrestling, track, swimming and women's sports etc. Football is already an exception to Title IX -precisely because of the money it generates.  Once it becomes truly professional - why subsidize anything else?  This is where Title IX will probably save things - no reason to irritate the feds and have Warren or Gillibrand haul you into Senate hearings by killing everything.  The need for content to fill up Conference TV time might be a factor as well.  

As noted in recent posts - this is about money like everything else.  There is too much of it now for players not to get more of it than they do.  This string started with the corruption that is an open joke - much like sexual harrassment was for decades.  At some point something will trigger change - the current system is too rotten to last forever despite very powerful resistance to change by today's vested interests. 

We shall see what form the change takes - I favor paying players since they deserve it.  I could be wrong about what happens - but am confident about the probability that change occurs.

If the Basketball tournament disappears or is no longer run by the NCAA, the champonships in other sports and divisions may very well go away. The NCAA currently finds these through the money they make from March madness. 

I cannot see, that D3 paying for flights and venues through a big bump in member dues.