Curve Balls...

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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One of the objectives is to pull the batter forward shifting his weight forward.....

Hitters should do this.....They should be taught to do it.....All MLB hitters do it....

Did all the MLB hitters do it BEFORE they got there???

I believe you let the pitcher do the work. Let him bring the ball to you.

Guys what I'll say is this.

Ty Cobbs quote was this "when a pitcher had a real good curveball. I always got as deep in the box as I can".

The secret to hitting a curveball is to hit it after it breaks. ML hitters have a knack of #1 guessing and when they guess CB they hit it hard. #2 They have a knack at slowing down the heel plant (sometimes) when they don't guess. When they don't slow the heel plant they tend to drift and not block their momentum and will look very bad in the box. Often times lunging. #3 They have a knack (sometimes) even when they do lung at keeping the hands back.

But staying back with the weight and keeping the pressure on the back foot and spinning will not work either sense this makes you vernable to the fastball.

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The secret to hitting a curveball is to hit it after it breaks.

Amazing....Some people say, stand up in the box and hit breaking balls before they break....And, some say stand back and hit them after they break.....

So, this means there is a point in time when a breaking ball goes straight through the hitting zone.........

I, now believe, people will believe anything...No doubt about it....

It's a wonderful thing for marketers the world over....

yeah a BAD curveball goes STRAIGHT through the hiting zone.

Most don't hit good breakers but good hitters do hit HANGERS they don't take them like every HS and college hitter in the country do now.

A "bad" curveball does not, all of a sudden, go straight........What actually happens is, the ball doesn't break alot early on out of the pitcher's hand and the location is more easily recognizable.....With less break during it's flight, the fallacy is, that it hangs.....In reality, the ball is simply a curveball without much curve.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
In reality, the ball is simply a curveball without much curve.....

Now there is a revelation.

LOL

A hanging curve ball is "simply a curveball without much curve".

Thank you for that Bluedog - your insight is laser-like.

dog...you been with the hit man?

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What actually happens is, the ball doesn't break alot early on out of the pitcher's hand and the location is more easily recognizable

NO....incorrect. What does happen is that the BALL DOES BREAK early out of hand and is easy to see. A hanging breaking ball can have a big break. A big up hill casted breaking ball would be a hanging breaking ball if the pitcher allows it to be in the center of the zone. Even a PLUS pitch that has good break can be a hanging breaker.

As the group Kansas used to sing--"it is just dust in the wind"--to paraphrase it nicely

I am just pleased to know I still have my fly fishing waders

Hit man...you get hit hard by rain and water? Hope everything is ok.

A hanging curveball has a big break?????

Seriously, you jest.....

YES..it sure can.

Interesting debate...

I understand Vance's position that if it's up in the zone its a hanging CB regardless of the amount of break but I tend to agree with BDog's logic that if it had plenty of break it wouldn't hang in the zone thus a hanging CB would be defined as one that lacks much bite.

Would like to see coaches chime in here.

Wasnt a curve ball just an illusion a day or two ago?

Now it isnt?

LOL

An incredible waterfall of nonsense IMO.

Everytime I read a thread that 'BlueDog' has posted in, his replies never make sense...

He always tries to make the counterargument and it is never a success...

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He always tries to make the counterargument and it is never a success...

Knock, I don't counter....I set the bar.....The rest argue about it......

Blue Dog

What bar are you setting? Limbo !!!!

You have never shown anyone any proof of baseball experience other than regurgitating cyperspace stuff for claymation sites

Funny how everyone but you knows what you are-- A SHAM -- and not the guy who had the hit record either--

TRHIT and you HAVE shown just how little you do know about baseball and how to play it. And your experience in the game is worthy of your remarks? NOT

Vance


50 plus years in the game--playing, coaching and instructing--running programs not only for myslef for for towns---that should suffice as if I have to explain to you anyway

Vance --you and other's who dont want to go public disturb me--- I am used to people being open---I can appreciatie people not wanting to go public but when asked for such info there are email and PM methods

You and Little Dog continue to be condescending to all as if you way is the only way--taint so pal regardless of what background may be--just because sdomeone does not agree with you does not make them wrong

I agree Tr HIT. but having 50 years in parks and rec doesn't mean you have ever seen the game from any other perspective but the one you drew.

I'm sure you would really enjoy it if you were to dive in.

VANCE

Who said parks and recs

What have you got to offer--I wear my heart on ymy sleeve--where is yours? Be a man and stand up

Gees VANCE, you seem to like putting words in other people's mouths to make you sound good...

Why can't you just disagree with TRhit instead of trying to prove he's a phony, which he isn't?

99

Thanx for the backup

It is appreciated

The theorist's, the Will Hunting's and the Trolls will continue to try and discredit any and all who haven't read or agreed with their theory's.
Tr is one of the ancient experienced one's and we here all know it.

99, to the contrary. TR Hit is the one always with the negative comments intially. He couldn't break a swing down if his home depended on it.

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I'm just wondering why Identity means everything to most people here. I'm a scout, get paid to do it full time. Played and coached and know the game pretty darn good. I know how pro ball works and college baseball to. Guess I have just bsuted the bubble of some on what they thought it really was.

Like everyone thinking and believeing scouts get a bonus for signing a player. Just not true. I am not here to critize but not knowing my name allows me to be honest about what really happens in pro ball and college ball and it allows me to be factual. Sorry if you have a hard time with that.

Just research what I say. If you disagree then at least you have done the research to draw your own conclusion. But, if your conclusion is just from what you think it is then I'm sure you'll keep right on wanting to know what my name is so you can then say without doing your own research that SO and So said this and he is a scout.

Vance

Let me say this to you--just being a paid scout doen't mean you know all the answers just as I know I do not have all the answers.

But it certainly seems many have seen thru you and Little Dog---


If you notice it is only you and Little Dog that I rag on--and that is because I think both of you are bogus and of no substance-- StatMan reads you well just as I do

It is your attitude that riles people--

I think it is time to say good nite to you--there is no need for me to keep defending myself to the likes of you---take care vance

TR HIT, Thank YOU. You Rag me and Dog becasue we DO know what we are talking about.

TR HIT, Should I post ALL the private messages I have recieved that say you are CLUELESS and have run many many people from this website.

Why don't you loose this website address and say by yourself?

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TR HIT, Should I post ALL the private messages I have recieved that say you are CLUELESS and have run many many people from this website.

I have a few, also, saying the same thing....

July 8 must be "GET TRHIT DAY" ---

Nice avatar Doggie-- cute

Yes it is. Your response to SS MOM on the tournament thread should get you fired!