D1 vs JUCO

I am sure there are some, but personally I do not know of any. It would be very, very rare for anyone to get 100 percent in the ACC, SEC, Pac 12 or Big 12. If it were my son and he was not going to sign out of high school as a high draft pick (and if he were a reasonable student), I would send him to the best big-time Divison 1 program that had an interest in him. A junior college would not be a consideration at all. If, however, he was a lower-round draft pick and not a reasonable student, then I would think about a JC. The belief in our family is go to college, go to the best program/fit you can find and stay there regardless of the challenges. I know that approach does not work for everyone, but it has worked very, very well for us. A lot of it will depend on the choices at hand and not every player has all the choices he would prefer.

Thank you for you for your feedback, top offers were 90% to low 80's has a 3.5gpa class of 2015.If not accepted in the near future the closer you get to signing day at what point will that offer still be on the table? 

That's something you'd have to ask the coach.  If those offers are at a school he likes, I guess I would just consider taking it now and not worrying about how long the offer is good.  An offer that size is almost unheard of.  I assume your son is a top level 90+ LHP??   You don't hear numbers like that for anyone else.  I guess my thoughts are the same as the previous post?  Why consider a JUCO if he's capable of getting into the D1 school academically?  Paying 10-15% of the costs of a D1 isn't worth giving up to consider a JUCO unless grades are an issue....and even then, I think I'd consider giving it a shot....and worrying about it later if things don't work out.

Impossible for me to say, but offers typically do not last forever. I have seen players wait and have everything work out and I have seen them wait only to have the spot go to another player who was quicker making a decision. Or the offer could change. Again -- and this is only for our situation -- if my sons felt good about a school and an offer, they accepted without waiting (after what we considered a reasonable period of about two weeks). If there was doubt, they did not accept the offer. But, keep in mind, it is all about choices. They are not the same for everyone.

Thanks Buckeye, Wating on the one,a coaching change has kind of put it on hold.My friends Grandson had a 100% to Clemson but he went round 1 dont know many 100%s. JUCO is a option to be drafted each year (6'5" RHP low 90s) thats the goal. 

1515, 

 

The scholarship percentages you mentioned are at the extreme high end of baseball scholarship offers anywhere.  Usually, one hears about 100% only if there is an extreme talent mismatch (i.e., big time prospect signing with a lower tier D1) or if the player is expected to be a signing round pick.  

 

For students in your son's situation--underclassmen with solid academics and great baseball offers--the D1 options he has will offer better academics, baseball, facilities, and support than any JUCO,  The normal course would be to commit verbally to one of them sometime between now and the end of summer after he has done his homework and self-examination.  

 

The D1 vs. JUCO decision for high end talent with good academic credentials and strong major conference offers usually doesn't come into play unless the player isn't drafted where he hopes out of high school and isn't sure he wants to wait three more years to be drafted again.

 

 

Best wishes, 

 

 

 

 Thanks, Just think 3 years is a long time unless your D1 dream school comes through with a good offer. 

If your son believes that he will be a professional player and is a solid student, and with strong offers like that I would have to believe there is validity in that assessment, it is worthy of consideration how being drafted out of a top D1 program affects your draft bonus. If you are not drafted out of HS then I believe it would be historically accurate to say that the largest bonuses tend to go to top performers at top schools.

If your son has the ability to start early at a top D1 then that is where I would recommend. My son attended 2 JUCO's and a Top D2.

Any kid with a D1 offer has the ability to start early.  That's why they're offered.  If a kid goes D1 and doesn't play for three years I doubt he would have the ability to go pro anyways.  Having said that, I wish Bum, Jr. would have taken the offer from a nationally-ranked Juco and then played D1, rather than doing a D1 to D1 transfer which was a tough go.

Bum:

 

I understand your point, but I could list 100 players or more from ASU and other similar schools where that is not true, including some Major Leaguers. One, in particular, is Jake Elmore who virtually never played. He was behind Eric Sogard, also in the Big Leagues. So, I guess what I am saying is that ability does not equal opportunity and plenty of guys who sit the bench for a year or more (for whatever reason, including injury) get good chances later and do a lot with those chances, One from Texas Tech, by way of USC and South Mountain Community College, is Danny Coulombe, the best high school pitcher I ever saw, who is doing well in the Dodgers organization.

       
       

Was he a resident of south carolina?
Jack doesn't give 100% baseball money.
Unless he knows the player will never show up.

jemaz, Danny Coulombe is son's very close friend and teammate at TTU.  Both LHP's in the starting rotation.  Bum, Jr. has stayed at his house and has been on "double dates" with him.  A great talent and a wonderful young man.  Went D1 to JC to D1. 

Really depends on his goals?  If he dreams of playing for xyz university then commit today for that money, it won't get any better.  If his dream is pro ball a juco is great leverage.  I haven't talked to anyone that went juco first and regretted it.  I have spoken to many that went D1 and regretted it.

 

Bump.  TPM - Those were the first things that crossed my mind too. 

he was a non resident,9th pick overall 2013 to the pirates, Thanks for your feedback.

 

 

What are your thoughts on Chipola JC kind of close to the program?

Chipola, Manatee, St. Pete, Santa Fe, are all excellent programs where he will play against top talent. Daytona is good for pitchers (not Hitters), Polk has a strong program led by former Florida Southern staff.

 

Stay away from Indian River, North Florida, South Florida, and St. Johns River. Unless someone has updated info on these programs. 

 

 

Thanks Floridafan very informative. In your opinion what are your top 10 programs for pitchers in the south.D1(MSU UVA VANDY)? Whats your background?

I am not qualified to answer that question. My son played JUCO & D2 in Florida, as a fielder primarily, although he was a starting pitcher at Polk.

 

Just a dad.

 

 

Thanks Floridafan good luck to you and your son,You seem to know your stuff.

You didn't answer my question, was it all baseball money? Jack Leggett does not give out 100% baseball money.  Clemson gives out big scholarships to keep out of state players from going to their home state programs, if they know the player will not sign, but it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to college, so the example you are using is, not realistic. JMO

 

Don't make a choice based upon coaching staff, SEC, ACC but rather how your son views the total college experience.

If a top pro prospect commits to JUCO above a 4 year program, IMO he has already devalued his worth in the draft.

If the player is being recruited by top 4 year programs, a good student, my very strong opinion is to commit, then if he is drafted he can weigh in on signing pro or JUCO later on.

Keep in mind that there are many things that can happen between now and then, no just change in coaching staff. What if he got injured? 

 

 

That's because they didn't belong there in the first place.

JMO

It sounds like you son is a special player...if the offers he has received are from top tier programs in the ACC/SEC then I would say you are getting top shelf offers. Others have already given you good input as to the reality of 100% offers so I will just add that signing with a top tier baseball/academic program can also provide leverage when it comes to the draft.  

 

Pro teams know it’s going to cost them more money to get someone to walk away from an elite program with an 80% to 90% offer.  Now that can work against you as well if you think your guy is a top draft pick and the clubs see you a bit lower they aren’t going to risk a pick like they did before the draft rule changes.   Also with a strong offer from a good academic school you can pretty much guarantee that the MLB Scholarship Fund offer will cover 100% of the cost of education (and then some if you ask for adjustment for inflation of college costs). Nothing against the JUCO route however a player at your son’s level would primarily only being doing that to be eligible for the draft again the next year, if he’s looking for leverage in the draft I’d say go with the top “name” D1 and if you decide to change your mind later its always an option (however probably frowned upon).

 

Good luck!

Thanks Jerseydad,Trying to get the most out of the process and do the right thing.

 

 

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The kid was probally not going to school anyway,not really sure about the fine print was told it was a 100% thats all I know I did not question it.  

Just to concur with the above again, If your son is getting top offers from top D1s, go that route. It will be very valuable come draft day. Either out of HS or after his Junior Year in College.

 

 

1515,

So that you understand in the future, there is only a certain amount of athletic money to go around, 11.7 to 27 players so 1 whole scholarship is pretty rare, even for the top guys.

People tell others 100%, now that could be a combination of athletic and academic, if the player qualifies.

So next time someone tells you that, just ask, was it all baseball?  You might be surprised at the real answer to your question.