D3 Medical Redshirt

I think your son should talk to his coach about his thoughts on a Hardship Waiver immediately. His participation through the end of the season would impact his eligibility for the waiver. Basically, if he's played in more than 1/3 of the games, or has played in a game during the second 1/2 of the season, he is not eligible. See section 14.2.5 in the DIII manual.

I would reach out to Rick at Informed Athlete.  I don't think D3 has medical redshirts.  I believe you just have 10 semesters of eligibility.  See link for more information  https://informedathlete.com/nc...n-iii-redshirt-rule/

Talk to the coach.  The decision on to redshirt or not is not up to the athlete.  It's a decision only the coach can make.  

having done some research on this for my son, the way I understand it is.

You can practice with team until the first game, if you continue to practice with the team during the season but don't play it is a year of eligibility used. I found that somewhere on the NCAA site and I am only speaking from memory but I believe that is the case. 

If you stop practicing at the first game you keep the year for a future Grad season or whatever. 

Thanks for the information...looked on the NCAA website and saw the waiver calculation worksheet...looks to me to be at least 30% of scheduled official games played that is the magic number.  talked to my son and he is going to ask the coach.  Ultimately it is the coaches decision so we will see.

phillyinNJ posted:

Thanks for the information...looked on the NCAA website and saw the waiver calculation worksheet...looks to me to be at least 30% of scheduled official games played that is the magic number.  talked to my son and he is going to ask the coach.  Ultimately it is the coaches decision so we will see.

I think you're looking at the DI worksheet. DIII uses 1/3 of the season. In any event, yes, he should talk to the coach.

Here's a Medical Hardship waiver summary from Rick Allen's website:

https://informedathlete.com/medical-hardship-waiver-rules/

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

RJM posted:

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

Especially at D3.   The reason that there is no redshirting in D3 is because of the mix of schools that play D3.  Large cheap state universities and small, expensive private colleges.  When there was redshirting the large cheap state schools  in places like Wisconsin would stockpile talent.  the expensive small private universities could not do so, since hardly anybody was willing to shell out big bucks again for the privilege of playing another year.

RJM posted:

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

Because playing Baseball is incredibly fun for a lot of people.  And once they are done with College they may never play competitively again.

3and2Fastball posted:

RJM posted:

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

Because playing Baseball is incredibly fun for a lot of people.  And once they are done with College they may never play competitively again.

Dad, I need 15-60K for another year of baseball even though I graduated. 

Dad: Are are f’n nuts? Get a job! 

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To allow a kid to stay at college just to play baseball isn’t allowing the kid to grow up and grasp reality. It’s also a bad financial decision for a parent.

Personally I wouldn't pay for it.  The Kid would need to get financial aid/student loan money.  Bonus points if he was able to hook up some academic money, of course.  I hear ya RJM, however it'd be the Kid's choice, not mine...

RJM posted:

3and2Fastball posted:

RJM posted:

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

Because playing Baseball is incredibly fun for a lot of people.  And once they are done with College they may never play competitively again.

Dad, I need 15-60K for another year of baseball even though I graduated. 

Dad: Are are f’n nuts? Get a job! 

......................

To allow a kid to stay at college just to play baseball isn’t allowing the kid to grow up and grasp reality. It’s also a bad financial decision for a parent.

I'm with you on that, BUT...son was selected in a doctorate track program already (he is PT), so he will be there for 6 1/2 years anyways regardless if he has an extra year or not.

He would also still be 22 after the 5th year, so....lol

phillyinNJ posted:

RJM posted:

3and2Fastball posted:

RJM posted:

 

Dad, I need 15-60K for another year of baseball even though I graduated. 

Dad: Are are f’n nuts? Get a job! 

......................

To allow a kid to stay at college just to play baseball isn’t allowing the kid to grow up and grasp reality. It’s also a bad financial decision for a parent.

I'm with you on that, BUT...son was selected in a doctorate track program already (he is PT), so he will be there for 6 1/2 years anyways regardless if he has an extra year or not.

He would also still be 22 after the 5th year, so....lol

So you are saying that not every kid for whatever reason graduates in 4 years from an HA with 4.0 and awaits to get drafted? That is interesting, while I admit I am embellishing somewhat it seems that on this site that would not be the norm. 

Sarcasm warning if it doesn't come out clear enough via the type. College isn't always easy, baseball isn't always fun and not finishing in 4 years for various reasons regardless if they are self inflicted or not doesn't mean you are terrible parents, will be financially crippled or your kid will be janitor....

Signed 

Loser non college grad parent who has children that have struggled at times during the process but is still financially solvent and kids are growing up quite nicely. 

phillyinNJ posted:

RJM posted:

3and2Fastball posted:

RJM posted:

Unless a player has an educational reason to continue to be in college why would he medical redshirt in another year’s cost of college? If he’s a pro prospect he’s going to sign by age twenty-two at the latest.

Because playing Baseball is incredibly fun for a lot of people.  And once they are done with College they may never play competitively again.

Dad, I need 15-60K for another year of baseball even though I graduated. 

Dad: Are are f’n nuts? Get a job! 

......................

To allow a kid to stay at college just to play baseball isn’t allowing the kid to grow up and grasp reality. It’s also a bad financial decision for a parent.

I'm with you on that, BUT...son was selected in a doctorate track program already (he is PT), so he will be there for 6 1/2 years anyways regardless if he has an extra year or not.

He would also still be 22 after the 5th year, so....lol

That would be the educational reason caveat I mentioned. 

old_school posted:

phillyinNJ posted:

RJM posted:

3and2Fastball posted:

RJM posted:

 

Dad, I need 15-60K for another year of baseball even though I graduated. 

Dad: Are are f’n nuts? Get a job! 

......................

To allow a kid to stay at college just to play baseball isn’t allowing the kid to grow up and grasp reality. It’s also a bad financial decision for a parent.

I'm with you on that, BUT...son was selected in a doctorate track program already (he is PT), so he will be there for 6 1/2 years anyways regardless if he has an extra year or not.

He would also still be 22 after the 5th year, so....lol

So you are saying that not every kid for whatever reason graduates in 4 years from an HA with 4.0 and awaits to get drafted? That is interesting, while I admit I am embellishing somewhat it seems that on this site that would not be the norm. 

Sarcasm warning if it doesn't come out clear enough via the type. College isn't always easy, baseball isn't always fun and not finishing in 4 years for various reasons regardless if they are self inflicted or not doesn't mean you are terrible parents, will be financially crippled or your kid will be janitor....

Signed 

Loser non college grad parent who has children that have struggled at times during the process but is still financially solvent and kids are growing up quite nicely. 

My son knew going in he had five years to play four. He was coming off an injury and wouldn’t be playing freshman year. I wouldn’t have paid for the fifth year had he not had an educational plan to make it work. 

His plan was to get his BA in three years. He did it. If he was drafted he had his degree. He stayed for the two remaining years of eligibility and got his MBA. The decision had a very positive professional and financial impact on the start of his career.

He got automatic acceptance to a quality B school and his MBA for 25% of what it would have cost. Or he didn’t have to do what I did; sacrifice nights and weekends while working to have my company pay for it. 

Like I stated, educational reasons. 

Same topic but D1.  Just curious about this:

I know of many guys who RS D1 and graduate from their D1, but with one year eligibility remaining go do a grad student year at another university.  They are listed as "Gr." as in Grad Student on roster in most cases at the 2nd school.

I just stumbled on a D1 player who is currently listed on a D-1 roster as a "RS-Sr, but was rostered 4-years at another D-1.  His freshman year at first school was a Med-RS year.  

Just curious about this?  I guess he could be a Grad Student at 2nd school as it is a university, and I'm assuming he graduated from other school.  Or not?  May have done 4-years there, no degree, now 5th year at 2nd D-1 to finally finish the undergrad degree and play 4th year. 

***Both his schools are mid-major HA privates.  Which also makes for a very unique path, especially in regards to expense.  

If there's no medical documentation to indicate that your son had a "season-ending injury" or was "shut down for the season" (two phrases common for a Medical Hardship Waiver), it's unlikely that he'll be able to get a "medical redshirt" for this season.  He'll be charged with a Season of Participation for D3 since he's continued practicing with the team beyond the first game if he doesn't have the type of medical documentation described.  

#1 Assistant Coach posted:

Same topic but D1.  Just curious about this:

I know of many guys who RS D1 and graduate from their D1, but with one year eligibility remaining go do a grad student year at another university.  They are listed as "Gr." as in Grad Student on roster in most cases at the 2nd school.

I just stumbled on a D1 player who is currently listed on a D-1 roster as a "RS-Sr, but was rostered 4-years at another D-1.  His freshman year at first school was a Med-RS year.  

Just curious about this?  I guess he could be a Grad Student at 2nd school as it is a university, and I'm assuming he graduated from other school.  Or not?  May have done 4-years there, no degree, now 5th year at 2nd D-1 to finally finish the undergrad degree and play 4th year. 

***Both his schools are mid-major HA privates.  Which also makes for a very unique path, especially in regards to expense. 

From what you've described about the player, it sounds like he used the Graduate Exception to avoid sitting out for a year. That means he would have had to graduate from the first school. Maybe he's just picking up a 2nd major at the second school since he's listed as a senior instead of a grad student. Or the listing just isn't accurate.

Regarding this D1 question, this player could have been immediately eligible at the second D1 if he was a non-recruited walk-on to the original D1 program.  In that scenario, the player can be immediately eligible without being required to sit for a year.