I'll just update now that summer is in full swing. I am very discourage with the HS program (I used to think differently, but I was comparing to other sports at the school). There was a little drama this year and some emails exchanged - with some valid points made. But now that summer ball is upon us, head coach has disappeared (lower level assistant runs the games). Missing a great opportunity to see what he has (or doesn't have) for next year. All of our opponents have their big time coaches out their coach the "new" kids. Going to be a long two years.
Golfman, why not organize a team, hire an ex-pro as coach, buy insurance,
call team and showcases, arrange travel to the games and hire umpires, rent fields. It will be fun, you can be a GM. "Exposure for everyone"
Bob
Golfman25 posted:I'll just update now that summer is in full swing. I am very discourage with the HS program (I used to think differently, but I was comparing to other sports at the school). There was a little drama this year and some emails exchanged - with some valid points made. But now that summer ball is upon us, head coach has disappeared (lower level assistant runs the games). Missing a great opportunity to see what he has (or doesn't have) for next year. All of our opponents have their big time coaches out their coach the "new" kids. Going to be a long two years.
Are you positive there isn't a reason behind that? GA has some weird rules, for example, for the ENTIRE week of July 4th it is a dead period. No practices or games are permitted, not even summer weight lifting for the football team, NOTHING.
Also, I can't find the rule at the moment but there is a rule that a high school head coach may not attend a practice of more than 3 kids out of season. Starting January 1st the head coach takes kids I think 3 at a time for "workouts" in the morning...but up until then it is prohibited for the head coach to have contact with the players.
Weird I know, but sometimes the school systems have rules that are weird.
Here in Ohio, a HS varsity coach can't coach in the summer...except for a very specific (and limited) time if he has more than 4 kids from the same school together. There's probably a reason your HC isn't coaching in the summer....and it may not be just because he doesn't think the team is good. Our HC wasn't allowed to coach, but he could go sit and watch just like any other fan....so that's what he did
Buckeye 2015 posted:Here in Ohio, a HS varsity coach can't coach in the summer...except for a very specific (and limited) time if he has more than 4 kids from the same school together. There's probably a reason your HC isn't coaching in the summer....and it may not be just because he doesn't think the team is good. Our HC wasn't allowed to coach, but he could go sit and watch just like any other fan....so that's what he did
In Illinois we have a sanctioned summer baseball season. Even ends with a tournament. All the other schools have their head coaches out there and I can see why some of these guys consistently win regionals and sectionals. One guy, coming off of two straight regional championships was out there in 90 degree heat coaching for 2-3 hours. He didn't shut up - but worked with every one of his players. If there was a double play ball to 2b, he would talk to his team on the bench about the good/bad on that play. Etc.
Not sure where the guy is, but given the amount of work we need to compete it would be nice if he was there taking control of his program.
Correct Golf, all the head coaches in the FVC are coaching their summer teams. There seems to be more to your suspicion, if he is not there.
CaCO3Girl posted:Are you positive there isn't a reason behind that? GA has some weird rules, for example, for the ENTIRE week of July 4th it is a dead period. No practices or games are permitted, not even summer weight lifting for the football team, NOTHING.
Also, I can't find the rule at the moment but there is a rule that a high school head coach may not attend a practice of more than 3 kids out of season. Starting January 1st the head coach takes kids I think 3 at a time for "workouts" in the morning...but up until then it is prohibited for the head coach to have contact with the players.
Weird I know, but sometimes the school systems have rules that are weird.
VHSL use to have a similar rule, but since it was generally impossible to enforce, they did away with it if my memory serves. Under the previous rules, a HS HC could coach a summer or fall team but at least one player could not be from "his" school. If only players he coached in spring showed up at summer or fall practice, then technically he wasn't suppose to lead the practice. In the local fall league they had for a number of years, the HC was often listed, but it was the assistants or Dad's that led the team practices and games.
That said, that fall league folded a few years ago (not sure why) and I rarely see HS HC coaches coaching teams outside of HS in our area.
Golfman25 posted:Buckeye 2015 posted:Here in Ohio, a HS varsity coach can't coach in the summer...except for a very specific (and limited) time if he has more than 4 kids from the same school together. There's probably a reason your HC isn't coaching in the summer....and it may not be just because he doesn't think the team is good. Our HC wasn't allowed to coach, but he could go sit and watch just like any other fan....so that's what he did
In Illinois we have a sanctioned summer baseball season. Even ends with a tournament. All the other schools have their head coaches out there and I can see why some of these guys consistently win regionals and sectionals. One guy, coming off of two straight regional championships was out there in 90 degree heat coaching for 2-3 hours. He didn't shut up - but worked with every one of his players. If there was a double play ball to 2b, he would talk to his team on the bench about the good/bad on that play. Etc.
Not sure where the guy is, but given the amount of work we need to compete it would be nice if he was there taking control of his program.
So now what. I am afraid for our program. Summer travel teams have been nixed, leaving many players scrambling for a team. Apparently there will be no fall workouts. Seems like our program is going downhill at the same time the conference gets small and tougher.
Why no fall workouts? What had they done in the fall in the past?
Well I for one am confused.
At my sons school in GA, a supposed baseball hotbed, there is no longer Fall baseball, there is no longer summer baseball with the high school team, they actually wrote a georgia high school sports law banning that practice. Kids tryout in January, high school team plays until April/May, then the kids join their travel summer team.
Is that pretty much what you have now?
We have fall baseball here in NorCal. I'm not sure exactly what the rules are but there are only maybe 10-12 games, all played as scrimmages with no score and everybody getting playing time (except one double-header in NV where the home team acts like they're playing in the CWS). They do just 2 practices per week, with weights, yoga, etc. on other days. Some schools don't play, so sometimes schools will pick up a few players from other league teams, particularly pitchers. Other players from those schools will sometimes play on 18u travel teams or scout teams.
ironhorse posted:Why no fall workouts? What had they done in the fall in the past?
Fall was usually 2 on field practices run by the seniors (and observed by the coach so nobody gets hurt). Then a day or two of speed/agility type workouts. This would lead into winter with throwing and weight lifting. Due to association rules, it's all "off the books" meaning it's "optional", open to anyone, and no specific coaching. Just give the kids the opportunity to work on their game. But it was something. A for a program that needs the work, imo, essential.
That sucks. We have a baseball class at my district in Texas, and then on field optional work after school. I complain we don't have enough time, but I guess we have it good compared to some.
Did the coach just decide to stop the workouts? Or was he assigned other duties that made him not able to?
Our HS doesn't do anything in the fall. There is a fall league that takes kids from about a 60 mile radius and forms 8-10 teams that will play 6-8 games in the fall....but that's it. No practice...just show up for a DH on Saturday or Sunday. Heck, we hardly had winter workouts....they were mostly run by the seniors and whoever showed up showed up. We start practice about 3 weeks before the season, then once the season ends, that's the last our kids will see of our HC until practice the next spring. Sad thing is, our teams are usually pretty good. If he'd put in a little time with them, we could be really competitive. We have a pretty good youth program, but we lose so many kids to other sports because they hear so many bad things about the HS coach that a lot just give up baseball after 8th grade. We did just get a new AD....and I think he's putting a little pressure on the HC to do more.
One of the top local players in my area played for a horrible high school team. He was the starting SS and #1 pitcher on the worst team in the conference. He started there all four years and was by far their best player when he showed up as a freshman. He was a dominating pitcher during his time there as well as a top hitter. He hit 90mph by his junior year and was low 90's as a senior.
He would have been the best player on the top teams in the conference as an infielder, pitcher and as a hitter. He was just that good. If he pitched, they still lost a lot of games due to a lack of run support and numerous defensive errors. Of course, if he was pitching, then the best defensive player was on the mound. When he didn't pitch, they had no shot. When they did win, he had to completely shut down the other team, and score/drive in the runs, and hope there weren't too many errors behind him.
Because it was a split conference, his team got an automatic birth to the state playoffs. In his senior season, they were a bottom seed playing against a top seed that was loaded and had lost only a few games the whole season. He shut them down, scored or drove in the runs, and won a first round playoff game 2-1 by himself.
This kid did play showcase ball and was easily noticed and committed to a D1. However, he was drafted and is currently in the minors.
The key thing is that he endured four years of playing for a bad team. Most kids would have switched schools, and he could have, but didn't.
Nothing here for fall baseball either.Last year seniors put together a get things in shape program starting @ 1st of dec. .....Until BBHC got wind of it then the whole operation was shutdown.The AD was pushed/forced into doing the dirty work for HC telling the kids "No More"
CaCO3Girl posted:Well I for one am confused.
At my sons school in GA, a supposed baseball hotbed, there is no longer Fall baseball, there is no longer summer baseball with the high school team, they actually wrote a georgia high school sports law banning that practice. Kids tryout in January, high school team plays until April/May, then the kids join their travel summer team.
Is that pretty much what you have now?
Not true.
Cobb County HS teams are playing fall schedules as I type this. Also, there are summer HS teams.
The GHSA calendar must be followed which limit contact months, so typically the summer teams will be coached through June with HS coach and the summer is finished with a volunteer coach (typically a former college player associated with the school). Likewise for fall. Various experienced former players, pro scouts, or long time travel coaches with some connection to the school will coach.
Now whether schools choose to field summer or fall teams is another matter, but no rule banning the practice.
Nuke83 posted:CaCO3Girl posted:Well I for one am confused.
At my sons school in GA, a supposed baseball hotbed, there is no longer Fall baseball, there is no longer summer baseball with the high school team, they actually wrote a georgia high school sports law banning that practice. Kids tryout in January, high school team plays until April/May, then the kids join their travel summer team.
Is that pretty much what you have now?
Not true.
Cobb County HS teams are playing fall schedules as I type this. Also, there are summer HS teams.
The GHSA calendar must be followed which limit contact months, so typically the summer teams will be coached through June with HS coach and the summer is finished with a volunteer coach (typically a former college player associated with the school). Likewise for fall. Various experienced former players, pro scouts, or long time travel coaches with some connection to the school will coach.
Now whether schools choose to field summer or fall teams is another matter, but no rule banning the practice.
Sorry, not the same in Cherokee for Fall. They stopped that a few years ago. As for summer teams I believe the rule says something like the coach can have one but no player will be compelled to play on it. If a coach is found to be pressuring players to be on a summer team there are pretty bad consequences.
CaCO3Girl posted:Well I for one am confused.
At my sons school in GA, a supposed baseball hotbed, there is no longer Fall baseball, there is no longer summer baseball with the high school team, they actually wrote a georgia high school sports law banning that practice. Kids tryout in January, high school team plays until April/May, then the kids join their travel summer team.
Is that pretty much what you have now?
Been this way in Ohio for awhile.