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Good Day,
As a coach & Dad who seen so much of this garbage behavior over theyears as my son has grown and played ball (He is a sophomore in HS now) I sincerely hope that Delmon Young gets bounced for the remainder of this season. This is only the latest in long resume of inappropriate conduct on his part. His reputation for yelling at umpires and cursing at the fans is well known.
He typifies the spoiled athlete brat who believes none of the rules apply to him. From what I found on him, he has been compared to Albert Belle in regards to talent AND behavior.
It is way past time for the athletic community as a whole to say enough of this. It may not change Mr Young, but perhaps it will make younger players coming up think a bit more about how they conduct themselves.
Also I would like to congradulate BJ Upton on his swift repremand of his teammate. According to a report on WEEI in Boston, one of the clubhouse workers witnessed Upton getting all over Young after the game about the incident. If this is true, I would to say thank you to one young athlete who seems to understand "IT"
As a coach & Dad who seen so much of this garbage behavior over theyears as my son has grown and played ball (He is a sophomore in HS now) I sincerely hope that Delmon Young gets bounced for the remainder of this season. This is only the latest in long resume of inappropriate conduct on his part. His reputation for yelling at umpires and cursing at the fans is well known.
He typifies the spoiled athlete brat who believes none of the rules apply to him. From what I found on him, he has been compared to Albert Belle in regards to talent AND behavior.
It is way past time for the athletic community as a whole to say enough of this. It may not change Mr Young, but perhaps it will make younger players coming up think a bit more about how they conduct themselves.
Also I would like to congradulate BJ Upton on his swift repremand of his teammate. According to a report on WEEI in Boston, one of the clubhouse workers witnessed Upton getting all over Young after the game about the incident. If this is true, I would to say thank you to one young athlete who seems to understand "IT"
And Good Day to you also NHF,
You are so right with your post...and thanks for sharing the sidebar about BJ...He is setting a good example for the rest of us on how to deal with the jerks. Your advice NHF is excellent...BJ knows that!
You are so right with your post...and thanks for sharing the sidebar about BJ...He is setting a good example for the rest of us on how to deal with the jerks. Your advice NHF is excellent...BJ knows that!
And therein lies the difference between a winner and loser. By all accounts I've heard that both Upton boys are special players and special kids. I've heard nothing good about Young outside the lines. I say take your money and go home. Our game doesn't need you. I think Dmetri ought to hop a plane and give little brother a good ol' fashioned whoopin'.
PopTime,
I kind of forgot about that part of the puzzle. That's one big brother that I would want to stay on the good side of. But, then again I don't think Delmon has the smarts to even to figure that out.
I kind of forgot about that part of the puzzle. That's one big brother that I would want to stay on the good side of. But, then again I don't think Delmon has the smarts to even to figure that out.
Orlando:
Thanks for posting the video clip.
Oh my. If this was my son, he'd be grounded forever.
btw, pm to follow soon
Thanks for posting the video clip.
Oh my. If this was my son, he'd be grounded forever.
btw, pm to follow soon
Orlando:
It indeed still works...thank you so much Orlando!
I better wander over to the other thread on this topic and let Been know I've seen the clip.
quote:
It indeed still works...thank you so much Orlando!
I better wander over to the other thread on this topic and let Been know I've seen the clip.
Holy cow!....that bast wasn't tossed, it looked like it was shot out of a cannon!
What a jerk!
What a jerk!
Until I saw this clip, I was just picturing some sort of accidental-ish softly errantly 'let-go-of' bat -- man, he chucked that thing!!!
Besides the suspension, there should be mandatory therapy.......
Besides the suspension, there should be mandatory therapy.......
I had the exact same reaction Krak.
If that bat had hit the umpire at the wrong spot it may have killed him...that is serious!
On the flip side, as NHF said, BJ Upton did the right thing to chastise Delmon Young. BJ knows what this game is truly about. Good for him. Good for the game!
If that bat had hit the umpire at the wrong spot it may have killed him...that is serious!
On the flip side, as NHF said, BJ Upton did the right thing to chastise Delmon Young. BJ knows what this game is truly about. Good for him. Good for the game!
Delmon's one of those "entitlement" guys. He doesn't have a bad track record, but-
his brother was a big leaguer before him; he was annointed as the next great thing back in high school; he was allowed to play in the Area Code games at 14 (contrary to what I believe is their own rules); he has whined about just being put in the "show" (forget the minors) since the day he signed.
He is the Frankenstein monster youth sports can create and has now acted out accordingly. The clip is terrifying.
his brother was a big leaguer before him; he was annointed as the next great thing back in high school; he was allowed to play in the Area Code games at 14 (contrary to what I believe is their own rules); he has whined about just being put in the "show" (forget the minors) since the day he signed.
He is the Frankenstein monster youth sports can create and has now acted out accordingly. The clip is terrifying.
HeyBatter:
Thanks for your thoughts from sunny Southern California. You are right on the mark.
Beenthere? HeyBatter's a SoCal guy...he's got it right!
Thanks for your thoughts from sunny Southern California. You are right on the mark.
Beenthere? HeyBatter's a SoCal guy...he's got it right!
quote:Besides the suspension, there should be mandatory therapy.......
Maybe Delmon Baby and Coach Bergman can get a group rate.............
If they could see the smile on a college player I know who is playing for free, well....
quote:He is the Frankenstein monster youth sports can create and has now acted out accordingly.
HeyBatter don't give this guy an excuse for his actions. His attitude borders on either being medicated or incarserated before he hurts someone outside the game. A classic example of a celebrity on the edge.
Group rate huh?...like "billing two curs with one groan."
Dad04,
I agree sounds like this Coach & this player would be a god match for each other....as long as we could keep them isolated in a room together. No sense letting them "infect" anyone else with there ideas of proper behavior.
I agree sounds like this Coach & this player would be a god match for each other....as long as we could keep them isolated in a room together. No sense letting them "infect" anyone else with there ideas of proper behavior.
For the record, I'm one of the few who've voted for a 1 Calendar Year Suspension so far. Like I mentioned elsewhere, I think there's a line where you need to stop treating athletes with kid gloves, and treat them like every day citizens. I think what this young man has done crossed that line and he should face a judge and jury, just like what would happen if somebody was charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
Is he a "good kid"? I don't know him.
Is this the first time something like this has happened with him? It doesn't sound like it.
Did he learn a lesson from this? Probably not if he only gets a slap on the wrist.
Is he a "good kid"? I don't know him.
Is this the first time something like this has happened with him? It doesn't sound like it.
Did he learn a lesson from this? Probably not if he only gets a slap on the wrist.
Throwing a bat and hitting the ump could have legal consequences.
Civil damages would not be beyond a reasonable outcome.
Civil damages would not be beyond a reasonable outcome.
Beezer,
I like him, he's a good kid. Unfortunately he did a BAD thing and needs to suffer the consequences.
We have known him since he was 13 and have not seen this kind of behavior. He screwed up in a big way, but I don't understand why everyone thinks he has a long history of being a jerk.
He has been a high profile guy for a long time. If he had a history of this kind of thing everyone in the world would have known about it. Sometimes nice kids do stupid things. I think he will pay dearly in many ways, including all the negative thoughts being expressed from coast to coast.
I'd like to see him get what he deserves for this mistake, but don't think he deserves to be labeled as having a history of causing trouble. The one past problem (bumping an umpire) happens nearly every day at some level of professional baseball. Many very nice people have "bumped" an umpire. Throwing a bat at one, now that's something different and it needs to be addressed!
I like him, he's a good kid. Unfortunately he did a BAD thing and needs to suffer the consequences.
We have known him since he was 13 and have not seen this kind of behavior. He screwed up in a big way, but I don't understand why everyone thinks he has a long history of being a jerk.
He has been a high profile guy for a long time. If he had a history of this kind of thing everyone in the world would have known about it. Sometimes nice kids do stupid things. I think he will pay dearly in many ways, including all the negative thoughts being expressed from coast to coast.
I'd like to see him get what he deserves for this mistake, but don't think he deserves to be labeled as having a history of causing trouble. The one past problem (bumping an umpire) happens nearly every day at some level of professional baseball. Many very nice people have "bumped" an umpire. Throwing a bat at one, now that's something different and it needs to be addressed!
Everyday citizens would not be treated so harshly as what is being advocated here. I just hope that none of you or your children encounter such harsh judgement when you find yourself in a situation -- even of your own creation -- where a little empathy and understanding is required.
I agree that Mr. Young must pay a price, but this is becoming ridiculous, as if the Gestapo has somehow been re-created. It was poor judgement, ill-advised, bad, whatever you want to say, but far worse happens everyday in America with far less harsh judgement so universally applied.
I agree that Mr. Young must pay a price, but this is becoming ridiculous, as if the Gestapo has somehow been re-created. It was poor judgement, ill-advised, bad, whatever you want to say, but far worse happens everyday in America with far less harsh judgement so universally applied.
jemaz:
Everyday citizens...on a street corner.
Say you and I are on that street corner and we get into an argument...then I do to you what Delmon did to the umpire...should I be facing any consequences for my actions?
Everyday citizens...on a street corner.
Say you and I are on that street corner and we get into an argument...then I do to you what Delmon did to the umpire...should I be facing any consequences for my actions?
I did not say he should not face consequences. What I am saying is that he should not be judged any more or less harshly than a normal citizen, and, the fact, is he is being judged far, far more harshly here and without a day in court or without representation, which not only is unfair but also is against the Bill of Rights. Moreover, if I did that to you on the street corner, in all probablility I would face probation and if I abided by the probabation, I would get on with my life. I can only imagine the transgressions of some of the posters here -- to say nothing of their progeny -- who take such a strong view against the kid.
He isn't a normal every day citizen. Just as he gets into clubs or bars without having to wait in line, eats at the best restaraunts without a reservation, probably drives a car that he doesn't have to pay for because some car dealer gave him a loaner,
He also is in the public eye. Therefore, his actions are not the same as yours or mine. He is the NUMBER ONE draft pick. There are huge consequences if he washes out. People will lose their jobs, the team will lose millions of dollars that they invested in him and future number one picks will have to go thru much more scrutiny than before.
His actions affect the lives of hundreds of people, and tens of thousands of fans. He wears his family name on the back of his jersey.
To me, he deserves a one year suspension. You send the message by punishing the number one guy, not releasing the 50th round pick because he threw a temper tantrum.
He should have known what was expected of him when he signed that multi million dollar contract.
He also is in the public eye. Therefore, his actions are not the same as yours or mine. He is the NUMBER ONE draft pick. There are huge consequences if he washes out. People will lose their jobs, the team will lose millions of dollars that they invested in him and future number one picks will have to go thru much more scrutiny than before.
His actions affect the lives of hundreds of people, and tens of thousands of fans. He wears his family name on the back of his jersey.
To me, he deserves a one year suspension. You send the message by punishing the number one guy, not releasing the 50th round pick because he threw a temper tantrum.
He should have known what was expected of him when he signed that multi million dollar contract.
Jemaz;
Your comment is totally correct. As you are aware, I have known Dimitri Young since 1989
[Area Code games and Goodwill Series Korea]
and Delmon Young [Area Code Games ages 13,14,15,16,17 and the Goodwill Series games with Japan and Australia at ages 15,16,17].
He was our coach at age 18 when we traveled to Australia in 2003.
Please allow the professional baseball people
to set the penalty.
Delmon will make the necessary adjustments to succeed in his career. Delmon is a friend and will continue to be a friend. He temporary lost his focus on his goals.
We have sufficient problems in the World [Iran] for which to focus.
The four oaths for our consideration:
1. never be late in respect to the way of the warrior
2. be useful to the lord
3. be respectful to your parents
4. Get beyond love and grief: exist for the good of man.
Bob Williams
Your comment is totally correct. As you are aware, I have known Dimitri Young since 1989
[Area Code games and Goodwill Series Korea]
and Delmon Young [Area Code Games ages 13,14,15,16,17 and the Goodwill Series games with Japan and Australia at ages 15,16,17].
He was our coach at age 18 when we traveled to Australia in 2003.
Please allow the professional baseball people
to set the penalty.
Delmon will make the necessary adjustments to succeed in his career. Delmon is a friend and will continue to be a friend. He temporary lost his focus on his goals.
We have sufficient problems in the World [Iran] for which to focus.
The four oaths for our consideration:
1. never be late in respect to the way of the warrior
2. be useful to the lord
3. be respectful to your parents
4. Get beyond love and grief: exist for the good of man.
Bob Williams
If this happened on a street corner, with the "average citizen" it would be (felony)assault with a deadly weapon. The bat wasn't just flipped or tossed. It came at violent velocity.
Just last year a pony league player in the Los Angeles area, nice kid by all accounts, momentarily lost it and clubbed another kid at the field to death.
Mr. Young is lucky this happened in a baseball game and in that privileged circumstance he will get privileged treatment. Hopefully he will learn his lesson.
There are many "nice guys" who make these isoloated "mistakes" and sometimes the results are devasating and irreversible.
Doc Gooden seems like a real nice guy. Darryl Strawberry too. Kenny Rogers seems like a decent sort. But those surrounded with the sense of privilege can act out like this with no sense of consequences... so I guess we'll see. Another "nice guy" unfortunately made his last mistake this morning..... Steve Howe dead today at 48 in a traffic accident.
Mistakes have consequence.
Just last year a pony league player in the Los Angeles area, nice kid by all accounts, momentarily lost it and clubbed another kid at the field to death.
Mr. Young is lucky this happened in a baseball game and in that privileged circumstance he will get privileged treatment. Hopefully he will learn his lesson.
There are many "nice guys" who make these isoloated "mistakes" and sometimes the results are devasating and irreversible.
Doc Gooden seems like a real nice guy. Darryl Strawberry too. Kenny Rogers seems like a decent sort. But those surrounded with the sense of privilege can act out like this with no sense of consequences... so I guess we'll see. Another "nice guy" unfortunately made his last mistake this morning..... Steve Howe dead today at 48 in a traffic accident.
Mistakes have consequence.
HeyBatter:
Don't you think the comparison with the clubbing is taking it a little far? Which, of course, is my point. It did not happen in the steet -- and if it had it would not be classified as you describe. It happened at a baseball game. It should not have happened and it ought to be dealt with promptly and appropriately, but there is no need to make more of it than it is.
Don't you think the comparison with the clubbing is taking it a little far? Which, of course, is my point. It did not happen in the steet -- and if it had it would not be classified as you describe. It happened at a baseball game. It should not have happened and it ought to be dealt with promptly and appropriately, but there is no need to make more of it than it is.
This kid was already suspended once for bumping an umpire. If he did what he did out "on the street" it is felony assualt. On the baseball field is it something less? IMO, no it is not, but, it is certainly treated as something less in that privileged forum.
A former UcLA football player was charged in Los Angeles two days ago with assualt with a deadly weapon and leathal force for hitting (one blow) another man with his hand in an argument. A bat is a deadly weapon.
He didn't like a call so he fires the bat at the umpire. Any t-baller knows better.
A former UcLA football player was charged in Los Angeles two days ago with assualt with a deadly weapon and leathal force for hitting (one blow) another man with his hand in an argument. A bat is a deadly weapon.
He didn't like a call so he fires the bat at the umpire. Any t-baller knows better.
If it happened on the street it would, indeed, be assault.
It happened, in fact, at his place of work.
Should my boss make a decision I disagree with, perhaps I'll pick up a random piece of office equipment and fling it at him. I'm sure there will be little in the way of repercussions because I'm good at my job and I'm very nice.
Or perhaps my son could try the bat throwing thing at a college game. He, too, is a good ballplayer and very nice. I'm sure his coach or the NCAA would offer anger management and understanding.
Ummmm.....no.
Young has been offered many priviledges because of his talent and work. With priviledge comes responsibility, not simply more priviledge.
An article on the MLB site said this was the SECOND bat throwing incident, in addition to the bumping. So apparently "everyone in the world" doesn't know. (I would suggest that few people, if anyone, outside of the US know doodly squat about Young --- Dimitri or Delmon, and only a limited percentage of those inside the US do.)
Too many fans are way too understanding of professional athletes' drug or violence habits.
Actions such as Young's compromise the integrity of the game. I don't care if Stevie Wonder was umpiring, Young has shown a complete lack of respect for the game and his team; don't expect this fan to respect him.
It happened, in fact, at his place of work.
Should my boss make a decision I disagree with, perhaps I'll pick up a random piece of office equipment and fling it at him. I'm sure there will be little in the way of repercussions because I'm good at my job and I'm very nice.
Or perhaps my son could try the bat throwing thing at a college game. He, too, is a good ballplayer and very nice. I'm sure his coach or the NCAA would offer anger management and understanding.
Ummmm.....no.
Young has been offered many priviledges because of his talent and work. With priviledge comes responsibility, not simply more priviledge.
An article on the MLB site said this was the SECOND bat throwing incident, in addition to the bumping. So apparently "everyone in the world" doesn't know. (I would suggest that few people, if anyone, outside of the US know doodly squat about Young --- Dimitri or Delmon, and only a limited percentage of those inside the US do.)
Too many fans are way too understanding of professional athletes' drug or violence habits.
Actions such as Young's compromise the integrity of the game. I don't care if Stevie Wonder was umpiring, Young has shown a complete lack of respect for the game and his team; don't expect this fan to respect him.
And if it happened in a hockey game, it would be a five-minute penalty. It is what it is, except, it seems, for here. The game will survive the poorly selected actions of a kid, albeit a rich one. Do you want him jailed or somehow permanently branded? I keep seeing here descriptions of a spoiled athlete from people who don't know him. I believe that in general that athletics instill positive traits and values. And why should I view Delmon Young any differently than I view the son of any of the posters here, who receive broad support from hundreds of people they will never know?
Many people make mistakes. This one might have been worse, but it wasn't. Thankfully, that won't change.
Many people make mistakes. This one might have been worse, but it wasn't. Thankfully, that won't change.
I don't think much of any player, at any age, getting upset and throwing equipment around and sulking afterward. Baseball is a team sport and for an individual player to act so selfishly is unfair to the team.
Never have I seen a display so disturbing and selfish in a baseball game as what I saw in that video clip. Again...I'm grateful it was caught on tape. There is absolutely no denying what he did.
The ball is in his court now. Will he do what it takes to restore our trust and respect? I'm open minded, but I have my doubts that Delmon will do what is necessary to repair the damage that he has done to himself.
Never have I seen a display so disturbing and selfish in a baseball game as what I saw in that video clip. Again...I'm grateful it was caught on tape. There is absolutely no denying what he did.
The ball is in his court now. Will he do what it takes to restore our trust and respect? I'm open minded, but I have my doubts that Delmon will do what is necessary to repair the damage that he has done to himself.
Could not agree more Orlando. With great respect to Mr. PGStaff, I know several top prospects, they know how to "make nice" in front of people. When you know them, they are not always what they appear to be. This, of course, happens every day, but when you are offered the privelege of playing professional baseball, you should be expected to rise up and honor the rules of your work place...not to mention common decency. MLB has a very unhealthy way of looking the other way when it comes to character values. Again,Well said Orlando.
jemaz, I don't see any evidence here of anyone asking for Young to be jailed. Or to employ Gestapo tactics (ah, yes, comparisons to Nazis, the last resort of the hyperbole-iac).
It has been suggested that he be treated exactly as any other citizen who would be liable for assault charges. Or that he be suspended for an extended period of time commenserate with an act we haven't seen before in baseball, particularly as it isn't his first infraction.
He is an adult being paid for a job. Like all jobs, there are rules, ethics, and responsibilities which he has not lived up to.
Why would you suggest otherwise?
I may be alone, but there are any number of actions associated with hockey I would not want to see become part of baseball.
It has been suggested that he be treated exactly as any other citizen who would be liable for assault charges. Or that he be suspended for an extended period of time commenserate with an act we haven't seen before in baseball, particularly as it isn't his first infraction.
He is an adult being paid for a job. Like all jobs, there are rules, ethics, and responsibilities which he has not lived up to.
Why would you suggest otherwise?
I may be alone, but there are any number of actions associated with hockey I would not want to see become part of baseball.
Orlando:
You are definitely not alone in regards to keeping hockey and it's unruly reputation separate from baseball.
You are definitely not alone in regards to keeping hockey and it's unruly reputation separate from baseball.
Orlando:
Read what I have posted. He should be punished. He also should be treated fairly. That is not what I see here when I read what is written. Perhaps you read it differently. But what I see is conviction and judgements without his day of justice, with which I must disagree strongly.
Read what I have posted. He should be punished. He also should be treated fairly. That is not what I see here when I read what is written. Perhaps you read it differently. But what I see is conviction and judgements without his day of justice, with which I must disagree strongly.
jemaz
Day of Justice? The video clearly shows what he idid--there is no question regarding his actions
Day of Justice? The video clearly shows what he idid--there is no question regarding his actions
jemaz:
It's cut and dried...he threw a bat, forcefully and purposfully at an umpire.
Most people that have been offering comments here think that he should be punished commensurate with his very serious transgression.
Rehabilitation? Entirely in his court.
It's cut and dried...he threw a bat, forcefully and purposfully at an umpire.
Most people that have been offering comments here think that he should be punished commensurate with his very serious transgression.
Rehabilitation? Entirely in his court.
Precisely. The incident was recorded on video. I've provided a link to same. Whomever wrote the words, he has apologized; at a minimum he's aware he did it. He's convicted of throwing the bat, both by visual evidence and his own statement. The subject for discussion is the appropriate punishment.
As you've already invoked the Bill of Rights, I believe we're within our rights to have that discussion.
As you've already invoked the Bill of Rights, I believe we're within our rights to have that discussion.
Could you imagine if baseball allowed some of the things that hockey allows..... baseball cards would look like this!
jemaz,
If Young had thrown that bat into the crowd and hit someone and sent them to a hospital, would that change your view?
The whole point here is that it is time to stop making excuses for this kind of behavior. The point is not to throw him jail or or anything that severe. But obviously the 3 game suspension last year was not enough for him to get the message. The only real leverage that can be applied to him now is to remove his ability to play for a long enough time that he finally gets it. Certainly he has enough money to "survive". I am not sure of his contract situation, but im quite certain he got a large signing bonus, so he already has more money most every person on this website.
If you feel a season long suspension is too much, I would apreciate your telling us exactly what punishment he should endure as well as what kind of incident it would take for you to support a season long suspension.
If Young had thrown that bat into the crowd and hit someone and sent them to a hospital, would that change your view?
The whole point here is that it is time to stop making excuses for this kind of behavior. The point is not to throw him jail or or anything that severe. But obviously the 3 game suspension last year was not enough for him to get the message. The only real leverage that can be applied to him now is to remove his ability to play for a long enough time that he finally gets it. Certainly he has enough money to "survive". I am not sure of his contract situation, but im quite certain he got a large signing bonus, so he already has more money most every person on this website.
If you feel a season long suspension is too much, I would apreciate your telling us exactly what punishment he should endure as well as what kind of incident it would take for you to support a season long suspension.