Differences in Bat Performance ... Your take?

I'd be the wrong guy to ask, since we mostly swing wood in Connie Mack games, even when our opponents swing metal. Of course, some of those wood bats are Louisville Sluggers

I've always thought the Nike bats were cr@p. We are mostly a TPX team. What Louisville product is your best seller... and I don't see this discussion as spam at all and I'm glad to be talking with you.

I do believe the bats help. The Louisville Slugger is not the bat of choice for our high school. But the bat can make a great difference in hitting.

Trojan-skipper,
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder because son just swithched to Nike bat as his future college team is sponsered by Nike. He seems to be doing fine with it and I give him alot of credit for trying something new at this point.

He has used Louisville Sluggers for years and the company has always stood behind it's warranty,
exchanging his dented bats for new ones. They'll probably save $ now that he's switched!

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I've always thought the Nike bats were cr@p. We are mostly a TPX team. What Louisville product is your best seller... and I don't see this discussion as spam at all and I'm glad to be talking with you.

TS - Best seller? I'll have to check, but will. And thanks for the non-spam recognition. Believe me, the last thing I want to do is not be welcome. Just here for discussion and appreciate your input.

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Originally posted by CaBB:
Trojan-skipper,
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder because son just swithched to Nike bat as his future college team is sponsered by Nike. He seems to be doing fine with it and I give him alot of credit for trying something new at this point.

He has used Louisville Sluggers for years and the company has always stood behind it's warranty,
exchanging his dented bats for new ones. They'll probably save $ now that he's switched!

CaBB -- It's safe to say we'd rather be switching out your son's bats. Heh.

Wondered if you or he are noticing any performance differences ... good or bad. Would love to hear more specifics on what you both think. We certainly hope he excels at the plate, whatever bat he's using.

I believe North Carolina uses Nike bats. Are they making the CWS in spite of the bats? Or are the bats the reason they haven't won the CWS? Yes this is sarcasm. Hitters drive balls, not bats.

Last year my son was playing 14U. He forgot his EXO for an out of town tournament. He borrowed a Nike Torque. He said it felt the same. He had his best tournament ever. He borrowed the Torque the next two weeks while he was hot. Then he went back to his EXO when his hitting leveled off. Once a player can hit the rest is between the ears.

It is true- it "is" all in the bat! This year my son bought two new composite bats- a louisville slugger and a demarini. At the first batting practice the sound of the louisville bat sounded great- just like a wood bat. After ten at bats of slow toss baseball he was semi satisfied with its performance. He then picked up the demarini and was just anhilating them- hitting way more consistant and had tons more pop. Bat had a much deeper sound- almost as if the demarini was under less stress.

Thinking he had just warmed up and was seeing the ball better he picked up the louisville bat again and hit again- this time he hit better but it just did not carry as far- a noticable difference. After about ten at balls we went to the dugout and that is when I noticed that the louisville bat had cracked completely in half at the start of the sweet spot. I wondered then at what point it cracked and broke and if it had anything to do with the notable difference in ball carry between the two bats.

Anyways, we sent the louisville back and got a replacement fairly fast. The bat now is in good shape- in fact it is as good as new. That is because it is sitting back seet to the demarini. He has played in a few games and has already hit two hr's. I am afraid that the louisville will stay in great all season as it will just be a bat bag warmer if you know what I mean- something to keep the demarini company.

My only wish- I should have bought two demarinis!!!

My son has always been a great hitter and he says his new Nike bat is as good as any he's used. I wonder if it has the same pop just based on recent game situations. He can be pretty stubborn but husband is going to suggest he test it more in batting practice. We'll see.......

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Originally posted by CaBB:
My son has always been a great hitter and he says his new Nike bat is as good as any he's used. I wonder if it has the same pop just based on recent game situations. He can be pretty stubborn but husband is going to suggest he test it more in batting practice. We'll see.......

arent all these minus 3 bats rated to have a maximum ball exit speed? in other words the only difference would be balance and the size of the sweet spot? NO bat could be HOTTER than another???? educate me.

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Originally posted by RJM:
I believe North Carolina uses Nike bats. Are they making the CWS in spite of the bats? Or are the bats the reason they haven't won the CWS? Yes this is sarcasm. Hitters drive balls, not bats.

I agree. I also agree with what Mike Epstein said, "It's the Indian not the arrow".

Our kids HS kids have swung about every bat out there and they each have their liking. Most of our kids have loved swinging the Nike Torque.

IMO, I think Coach Todd is just trying to find an excuse for his teams poor play.

As mentioned, North Carolina, Georgia, Miami (Fla.) all swing Nike bats exclusively and don't seem to be having any problems. All are in the top 10 in the Collegiate Baseball poll and UNC and Miami are #1 and #2.

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arent all these minus 3 bats rated to have a maximum ball exit speed? in other words the only difference would be balance and the size of the sweet spot? NO bat could be HOTTER than another???? educate me.

The test is flawed. It measures how hard a sixty mph fastball bounces off a stationary bat.

Sounds like Coach Todd wants out of his Nike contract.

I don't think there is a dime's difference in bat performance between today's LS & Easton bats. Some difference in "feel", sure.

No, the BESR test is not an exact duplication of HS/college ball. But it is probably adequate to ensure that any differences are negligible.

They are all using essentially the same group of alloys. They all have the same engineering tools with which to design & analyze.

I bought Easton bats for Texan Son not because I thought they were a superior bat, but because Easton's warranty service was superior.

The real difference is the hitter holding the bat.

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Originally posted by RJM:
The test is flawed. It measures how hard a sixty mph fastball bounces off a stationary bat.

RJM, the bat is not stationary. No it is not an exact duplication, but all bats are tested the same way. Thus you will not see a significant difference in them.

I think a college coach blaming the loss on a bat is weak at best. If I was an AD there I'd be having a little talk with Mr Coach. I mean that really teaches his players doesn't it? D-1? Big 10? I think they need to get some real coaching.
The funny thing about the bats in my experience is that whether is a TPX or a Demarini, Easton whatever, some get better action than others and it varies. I've seen the whole gammet of pluses and minuses...hot and dead bats...usually it's the kid that sells the bat...If he hits with pop, the next kid wants "that bat".
As a coach I look for great warranty and representation. My son owns Slugger custom wood, both Maple and Ash. As a dad I'm sick of bats that I've got to take out a 2nd mortgage to purchase, it's worse than stinkin video game consoles. A racket...shame on em all. Tell me that $350 isn't nearly all profit.

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Originally posted by jdfromfla:
...usually it's the kid that sells the bat...If he hits with pop, the next kid wants "that bat".

Ain't that the truth!

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Originally posted by RJM:

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arent all these minus 3 bats rated to have a maximum ball exit speed? in other words the only difference would be balance and the size of the sweet spot? NO bat could be HOTTER than another???? educate me.

The test is flawed. It measures how hard a sixty mph fastball bounces off a stationary bat.

No it measures a ball speed of 70mph and a bat speed of 66mph. Exit speed is to not exceed what a quality wood bat would produce in this test. Which is 97mph or something close to that.

Yes it is insane to think that it's not almost all profit. I have a son in baseball and two daughters in softball and to pay three hundred plus for a bat and now some companys are bosting a $400.00 dollar bat. It is not the arrow it is the indian.

I like the Indian arrow quote.

I always say "It's not the bat, it's the man."

When I hit a ball with a 2008 Easton Stealth composite bat (CNT maybe?), it feels like I hit a concrete post.

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Originally posted by kbat2012:
Hi, Mr. Falls:
If I give a testimony of how great the TPX bats are, would you send me a new TPX EXO 33/30 for free?
We just love the TPX EXO, especialy it's
"sneakyness". Everytime you thought you hit a regular Pop-fly, and the out fielder also thought that's a Pop-fly, thus charge forward. But the ball just keep sailing up, it ends up flying over the OF's head, you got a 2B or 3B, and most of the time it's a homer. I don't know how you guys desgined the EXO, how do you hide the sound? The ball just pops out like crazy. thanks.

Thanks for the comments on the Exogrid. It is a great bat. We got a good chuckle out of your request for a free one. Certainly no offense, but if we gave one away every time we heard great feedback about the bat we'd be out of business. I'm pretty sure I can arrange for a Louisville Slugger cap, though. Send me a private message with your mailing address and I'll see what I can do.

FYI - Ion Sports named the Exogrid its 2007 Baseball Product of the year. The Sporting Goods Manufacturer's Association also informed
Louisville Slugger that retail sales records show Exogrid was the number
1 selling bat in 2007/2008.

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Originally posted by RJM:
The test is flawed. It measures how hard a sixty mph fastball bounces off a stationary bat.

Here’s the white paper for BESR. Where does it say the bat is stationary? The bat velocity is extremely important in the calculation of the formula.

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/sports_and_r...l/BESRWhitePaper.pdf

Quote From “What Is The Maximum Allowed Value For The BESR?” on page 6 of the paper.

When bats were first tested in 1999, an initial lot of baseballs was used. The tests were
conducted by using a pitch speed of 70 mph and a bat speed (at a point 6 inches from the
end of the barrel) of 66 mph. Under these conditions, the best major league wood bat
yielded a BESR of 0.728, which the NCAA then set to be the maximum allowed value.

Is BESR flawed? IMHO It sure is, but not because bat velocity is zero in their tests.

I personally think the best bat that Louisville has made to date was the Original Dynasty (The Blue one and that crazy "Yellow Mustard" colored-knobbed one ). That bat has the same ST+20 material that is currently in the EXO-GRID, and the H2, only it's throughout the ENTIRE bat!... Man, that bat still has incredible pop, and durability...

I think Louisville kinda said we finally made a bat way too good, and nobody's gonna want to buy another bat, so we gotta "tech it up" a bit to compete with the EASTON Stealth... Introducing the EXO-Grid... Taaa-Daaah!! The EXO-Grid is a GREAT bat too, but I just don't see the difference in performance with the "DIE-NASTY" (as my players call it...!

All kiddin' aside, Louisville should consider another rev of a 100% ST+20 bat...

The best bats IMO to come out in years is the Demarini Voodoo and CF3's.

The feel from handle to weight is head and shoulder above anything I have swung from Easton and Louisville.

Once again IMO.

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Originally posted by RJM:
I believe North Carolina uses Nike bats. Are they making the CWS in spite of the bats? Or are the bats the reason they haven't won the CWS? Yes this is sarcasm. Hitters drive balls, not bats.

Some around UGA thought it was the bat as well:

Interesting take on NIKE bats!

I totally agree with the original dynasty and i think the closest thing to it today is the new omaha...it is 100% st+20 if i'm not mistaken