HS sports is taken so seriously these days. My school was always in the running in D1 CIF-SS but we didn't have year-round basketball or travel baseball. Back then every 3-sport star was in the running for scholarships. Now coaches want kids to specialize early so that they can get good asap.
This thread has morphed somewhat into a behavioral conversation. When my kids were little I allowed them to make decisions that would affect them. They weren't decisions that would have difficult consequences. Just impact they would notice. It allowed them to understand decisions have consequences.
An example was when my son was five. He would bug me for a second ice cream every time the truck came by. It drove me crazy. I decided to give him a weekly allowance for the ice cream truck. He did exactly as I expected. He went through the money in three days. For the next four days he had to sit and watch his friends eat ice cream. He learned his decisions have consequences. He learned a real lesson without harm to his life.
RJM posted:I decided to give him a weekly allowance
RJM, come on, you 'gave' your kid money? What happened to working? He was 5 already, he could have shoveled coal, or sanded floors or something 
Ice cream truck came seven days a week? Ice cream every day? Starting to sound like a cushy life the kid had. I'm hoping my kid would have started loan sharking early in the week to help pay for those last four days.
FoxDad posted:RJM posted:What you're going to see in high school is the parents of recent 14u studs miffed their son didn't make varsity. Practice you're "uh huhs." And plan your escape route when you arrive at the park.
That's not a problem at our local HS. The current varsity coach doesn't even consider freshman for varsity. If you're a freshman you'll be on the JV team if you survive tryouts.
We knew of one that actually transferred to another school because he didn't make varsity as a freshman. The transfer was contested and he sat for most of his sophomore year while it was settled.
My son became the first opening day soph in six years. A teammate became the first opening day freshman that year. He's still the only one five years later. But it doesn't stop the 14u parents from complaining.
In softball freshman starters are more commonplace. Girls mature physically sooner. Five freshman started my daughter's freshman year. The team went from 4-18 to conference champions. In this case it was upperclass parents of replaced starters who had to be tuned out. It was freshman parents who spent the season going "uh huh" and walking away. The following year three more freshmen started (future D2/3). Due to this freak two year period in following years the parents of 14u studdettes expected their girls to start. **
** A few of us planned for this. The high school was a perennial bottom feeder. The 4-18 team was part of a 32 game losing streak. We all pulled our girls from rec. We created a 12u travel team when the girls were ten and eleven. By high school the girls were dispersed on several elite teams.
CaCO3Girl posted:hshuler posted:Agreed! Personally, I try to show my son examples of good and not so good decision-making. The point that I really try to drive home is that ALL (not most) of your decisions should line up with you desired outcome(s) in life...and one bad decision can overtake a whole lots of good ones. But at the end of the day, I can't choose for him and I am at peace with that...and most importantly, the fact that the Good Lord will hear my fatherly prayers as well.
You are a better person than I will ever be. I grudgingly accept that in the end it is my children's choices that will turn them into the adults they are going to be...I don't have to like it or be at peace with it.
A promising young local athlete had a scholarship lined up to a dream school and it all ended because he thought it would be hilarious to ask a girl to the prom by hanging a sign around a goats head that said "Will you GOAT with me to the prom?"...the owner of the goat didn't appreciate the goat being "borrowed" for the night. Raise your hand if this sounds like something your kid might consider as funny, harmless, and would never for one moment think it would cost him his future?
That is more of the problem with the over reaction of authority. 30 years ago I couldn't see that happening.
lionbaseball posted:CaCO3Girl posted:hshuler posted:Agreed! Personally, I try to show my son examples of good and not so good decision-making. The point that I really try to drive home is that ALL (not most) of your decisions should line up with you desired outcome(s) in life...and one bad decision can overtake a whole lots of good ones. But at the end of the day, I can't choose for him and I am at peace with that...and most importantly, the fact that the Good Lord will hear my fatherly prayers as well.
You are a better person than I will ever be. I grudgingly accept that in the end it is my children's choices that will turn them into the adults they are going to be...I don't have to like it or be at peace with it.
A promising young local athlete had a scholarship lined up to a dream school and it all ended because he thought it would be hilarious to ask a girl to the prom by hanging a sign around a goats head that said "Will you GOAT with me to the prom?"...the owner of the goat didn't appreciate the goat being "borrowed" for the night. Raise your hand if this sounds like something your kid might consider as funny, harmless, and would never for one moment think it would cost him his future?
That is more of the problem with the over reaction of authority. 30 years ago I couldn't see that happening.
I would agree, but it still cost the kid his scholarship and his spot on a national 17u travel team. The rules are beyond silly right now but they are the rules that can change a kids life.
Case in point. In October, during a pep rally my 8th grader was eavesdropping on the conversation in front of him, the other 8th grader boy (who was sitting next to his girlfriend) decided to stand up, scream at my son, shove him, flip his shirt over his head and pummel him. I get a call from the police to say they are reviewing the tapes to see if they are arresting him.
Unfortunately/Fortunetly my son never got off a single jab at the guy. The other boy was arrested and charged with simple battery against my son, 6 months probation, and fines. I was told if he had touched the boy to even shove him back my son would have also been arrested.
The days of a common boy fight in school not having long lasting repercussions are over!
lionbaseball posted:CaCO3Girl posted:hshuler posted:Agreed! Personally, I try to show my son examples of good and not so good decision-making. The point that I really try to drive home is that ALL (not most) of your decisions should line up with you desired outcome(s) in life...and one bad decision can overtake a whole lots of good ones. But at the end of the day, I can't choose for him and I am at peace with that...and most importantly, the fact that the Good Lord will hear my fatherly prayers as well.
You are a better person than I will ever be. I grudgingly accept that in the end it is my children's choices that will turn them into the adults they are going to be...I don't have to like it or be at peace with it.
A promising young local athlete had a scholarship lined up to a dream school and it all ended because he thought it would be hilarious to ask a girl to the prom by hanging a sign around a goats head that said "Will you GOAT with me to the prom?"...the owner of the goat didn't appreciate the goat being "borrowed" for the night. Raise your hand if this sounds like something your kid might consider as funny, harmless, and would never for one moment think it would cost him his future?
That is more of the problem with the over reaction of authority. 30 years ago I couldn't see that happening.
Hard to blame law enforcement. What are they supposed to do? If the goat owner doesn't want to let it go, they can't refuse to enforce laws against theft. Now, I sort of blame the college. No one forced them to pull his scholly.
That kid's prank involved going onto private property, taking the goat, putting him in a truck, and driving off with him. If you think that it's overreaction by the authorities to respond to the landowner's complaint, investigate, and make an arrest, well I hope you don't call the police if anybody steals your stuff.
JCG posted:That kid's prank involved going onto private property, taking the goat, putting him in a truck, and driving off with him. If you think that it's overreaction by the authorities to respond to the landowner's complaint, investigate, and make an arrest, well I hope you don't call the police if anybody steals your stuff.
It was a goat, it was borrowed, it wasn't harmed, it was a prank. No I wouldn't press charges on something like this and possibly ruin a kids life.
Now we had 3 varsity football players break into a team mates house this past year and steal cash, gun, and some other stuff. The homeowner didn't press charges but my son told the head coach he wasn't going to QB the team if those delinquents were allowed to play.
Do you see the difference in the above situations?
Did the kid tell the owner he was taking the goat, and did the owner grant his permission? If the answer to both questions is yes, then my bad. If not that, it's theft. The decision on whether the owner presses charges is irrelevant because it wouldn't happen until after the police found out what happened. If you disagree, that's fine. Please post your address so I can swing by your house and grab your radar gun.
JCG posted:Did the kid tell the owner he was taking the goat, and did the owner grant his permission? If the answer to both questions is yes, then my bad. If not that, it's theft. The decision on whether the owner presses charges is irrelevant because it wouldn't happen until after the police found out what happened. If you disagree, that's fine. Please post your address so I can swing by your house and grab your radar gun.
The kid did not tell the owner, he snuck onto the property, and grabbed the goat. The owner saw him and took down the license plate. In a later article the owner said that had the kid come to him and asked he probably would have lent him the goat but stealing is stealing and he should be held accountable for what he did.
CaCO3Girl posted:JCG posted:Did the kid tell the owner he was taking the goat, and did the owner grant his permission? If the answer to both questions is yes, then my bad. If not that, it's theft. The decision on whether the owner presses charges is irrelevant because it wouldn't happen until after the police found out what happened. If you disagree, that's fine. Please post your address so I can swing by your house and grab your radar gun.
The kid did not tell the owner, he snuck onto the property, and grabbed the goat. The owner saw him and took down the license plate. In a later article the owner said that had the kid come to him and asked he probably would have lent him the goat but stealing is stealing and he should be held accountable for what he did.
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard why someone lost a scholarship. Because they stole a goat? Did he actually serve time in the pen (sorry this is just too funny). If I were the coach I would be lmao. Unless he had some previous or serious issues, I wanna know what coach has no sense of humor. Could you find the article.
I could name a player playing MLB who got busted 9 years ago for MIP (minor in possesion) before draft and was the first pick for his team.
Google "teens steal goat georgia" and you will find a whole bunch of articles on it.
bballman posted:Google "teens steal goat georgia" and you will find a whole bunch of articles on it.
I wasn't doubting the incident just where it said kid lost his scholarship.
I couldn't find anything on that. Looked like one of the 3 kids listed was/is a baseball player with a PG profile. No college commitment listed. Maybe CaCO3Girl has some inside information.
Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
bballman posted:Google "teens steal goat georgia" and you will find a whole bunch of articles on it.
If you do, you will clearly see that said teen brought the Goat Baaaaaaaaack to the owner. : )
TPM posted:Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
I'm thinking the D1 coach didn't want someone on his roster that was recently arrested on a slew of charges, I don't blame the guy. There has to be something in the agreement like a morality clause.
The one boy played for a VERY well known local team, national titles...etc. The 17u team kicked him off of it and his scholly got pulled from a D1. However, a smaller D3 school picked him up.
The article doesn't mention anything about baseball or the affect this had on his baseball, I heard that first hand from one of the coaches of his summer team. In short the stance was that there are hundreds of kids who wanted to be on this team and they were giving the shot to another boy who might able to make something out of the exposure, as opposed to this young man who was facing multiple charges.
Multiple charges? For what? What type of coach discusses this with a parent anyway? What was the D1 school? What is the 17u program?
TPM posted:Multiple charges? For what? What type of coach discusses this with a parent anyway? What was the D1 school? What is the 17u program?
I'll send you a PM, I don't want to call out specific programs on the board.
CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
I'm thinking the D1 coach didn't want someone on his roster that was recently arrested on a slew of charges, I don't blame the guy. There has to be something in the agreement like a morality clause.
The one boy played for a VERY well known local team, national titles...etc. The 17u team kicked him off of it and his scholly got pulled from a D1. However, a smaller D3 school picked him up.
The article doesn't mention anything about baseball or the affect this had on his baseball, I heard that first hand from one of the coaches of his summer team. In short the stance was that there are hundreds of kids who wanted to be on this team and they were giving the shot to another boy who might able to make something out of the exposure, as opposed to this young man who was facing multiple charges.
What reputable coach talks about personal matters of one kid to other kids parents?
I got your info. It's public knowledge what he was accused of and on record. However, your other information came second hand, maybe third hand after you were told. For all we know, he may have never had a commitment to begin with. Maybe he never had a scholarship but a walk on. So you are assuming.
Unless you know all details first hand be careful what you post here.
Here, a bit further south where I live kids are killing kids. This whole incident is nonsense, to lose a scholarship over.
Did he serve time in jail?
Go44dad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
I'm thinking the D1 coach didn't want someone on his roster that was recently arrested on a slew of charges, I don't blame the guy. There has to be something in the agreement like a morality clause.
The one boy played for a VERY well known local team, national titles...etc. The 17u team kicked him off of it and his scholly got pulled from a D1. However, a smaller D3 school picked him up.
The article doesn't mention anything about baseball or the affect this had on his baseball, I heard that first hand from one of the coaches of his summer team. In short the stance was that there are hundreds of kids who wanted to be on this team and they were giving the shot to another boy who might able to make something out of the exposure, as opposed to this young man who was facing multiple charges.
What reputable coach talks about personal matters of one kid to other kids parents?
Exactly.
Seems like only a couple weeks ago posters were (wisely) telling the next Bryce Harper to be careful what he posts on Twitter, so those posters (were you one of them?) seem to feel that off-the-field activities can have an impact on recruiting.
In our area, there was a kid last year who blew up on social media when a video of him yelling the n-word at an opponent after a game was circulated online. He tried to make amends but he lost his d1 scholarship and if you google his name there's no indication that he's playing anywhere. Dunno, maybe he is. I hope his apology was sincere and I hope that he gets another chance. He is one of the most talented HS kids I have ever seen play and clearly has pro potential.
Go44dad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
I'm thinking the D1 coach didn't want someone on his roster that was recently arrested on a slew of charges, I don't blame the guy. There has to be something in the agreement like a morality clause.
The one boy played for a VERY well known local team, national titles...etc. The 17u team kicked him off of it and his scholly got pulled from a D1. However, a smaller D3 school picked him up.
The article doesn't mention anything about baseball or the affect this had on his baseball, I heard that first hand from one of the coaches of his summer team. In short the stance was that there are hundreds of kids who wanted to be on this team and they were giving the shot to another boy who might able to make something out of the exposure, as opposed to this young man who was facing multiple charges.
What reputable coach talks about personal matters of one kid to other kids parents?
I addressed this in the PM to TPM, but I'll write it out here. My son plays for the same park as this young man did. No names were mentioned in the lecture, it was told as a cautionary tale along with information on Instagram, Facebook...etc can also cost you a scholarship, could cost you a place with this park...etc.
I don't know why there would be disbelief that the boy lost his scholarship after getting arrested when he admitted he did it. One would THINK there would be a no-tolerance policy that if you get arrested and are found guilty our offer is null and void for every school. Where could the schools draw the line if not? If you are arrested for shoplifting that's okay, but grand theft auto is not? Simple battery is okay, but aggravated assault is a no-go?
JCG posted:In our area, there was a kid last year who blew up on social media when a video of him yelling the n-word at an opponent after a game was circulated online. He tried to make amends but he lost his d1 scholarship and if you google his name there's no indication that he's playing anywhere. Dunno, maybe he is. I hope his apology was sincere and I hope that he gets another chance. He is one of the most talented HS kids I have ever seen play and clearly has pro potential.
Ahh I remember reading about this story when it happened. He's playing at a JC. I remember reading on the D1's Twitter account that his scholarship was pulled. Oops. Never/haven't yet seen the kid play, but I know that area a little bit.
Go44dad posted:What reputable coach talks about personal matters of one kid to other kids parents?
Not sure where your son is in the process, but you may well be amazed at some of the things you will hear during the recruiting process. When asked about a well known HS player (voted "Mr. Baseball" in his state), one recruiting coordinator responded "I'd love to have him. He's a great talent, but he's got a 1.7 in his core courses. No way I could get him admitted so I'm not wasting my time." Usually that kind of stuff is common knowledge, but it just didn't seem appropriate to me for a coach to be talking about it.
MTH posted:Go44dad posted:What reputable coach talks about personal matters of one kid to other kids parents?
Not sure where your son is in the process, but you may well be amazed at some of the things you will hear during the recruiting process. When asked about a well known HS player (voted "Mr. Baseball" in his state), one recruiting coordinator responded "I'd love to have him. He's a great talent, but he's got a 1.7 in his core courses. No way I could get him admitted so I'm not wasting my time." Usually that kind of stuff is common knowledge, but it just didn't seem appropriate to me for a coach to be talking about it.
He's trying to process 8th grade pre-algebra, knowing I am picking him up to go see ULaLa and TCU play this afternoon.
But I get it. Wonder how much of the "rumor mill" stuff is planted?
TPM posted:CaCO3Girl posted:JCG posted:Did the kid tell the owner he was taking the goat, and did the owner grant his permission? If the answer to both questions is yes, then my bad. If not that, it's theft. The decision on whether the owner presses charges is irrelevant because it wouldn't happen until after the police found out what happened. If you disagree, that's fine. Please post your address so I can swing by your house and grab your radar gun.
The kid did not tell the owner, he snuck onto the property, and grabbed the goat. The owner saw him and took down the license plate. In a later article the owner said that had the kid come to him and asked he probably would have lent him the goat but stealing is stealing and he should be held accountable for what he did.
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard why someone lost a scholarship. Because they stole a goat? Did he actually serve time in the pen (sorry this is just too funny). If I were the coach I would be lmao. Unless he had some previous or serious issues, I wanna know what coach has no sense of humor. Could you find the article.
I could name a player playing MLB who got busted 9 years ago for MIP (minor in possesion) before draft and was the first pick for his team.
Clay Buchholz stoled 29 laptops from school. He was drafted in the first round.
TPM posted:Well that's what I am questioning. I mean gets get into all sorts of issues and they don't lose scholarships over it. It was wrong but kids are kids. If I were the coach, me and my staff probably would get a good chuckle out of that one.
I don't want any inside scoop. I want the real story.
Chances are at most colleges the kid would get his scholarship. Then the coach would call him Goat Man.
If my kid ever makes a mistake in college I hope its stealing crab legs.
I grew up with a friend whose dad was a detective. This kid could be home in bed denying he was there before we could run two blocks. I never believed he was fooling his father.