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Very well stated...and you need not apologize. While I (and from what I heard several others) did not agree with every decision that coach Conroy made this year, we/I never interfered with him and his team. They did it their way, and while the end result was not what everybody hoped for, they have all become better individuals through the experience. My only regret was that Brett was not able to help out in the middle of the season...through no fault of his own. But life goes on, and everyone of those graduating seniors on the Cox baseball team has a bright future...whether it be in baseball or some other walk of life. Cudos to the entire team for all their hard work, and to all the parents and fans for their fierce loyalty to the team.
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phillyfan,

If you haven't guessed yet, I agree with you. I am not bashing Conroy at all.

estimator,

If you don't like my comments, ignore them. I didn't bash any players or coaches. I was focused on the fans. Too often, fans and parents bash the coach if they don't win. Even you pointed out a few coaching flaws midyear. Are you willing to let Conroy come to your work and point out your estimations are wrong?

Most beach teams are notorius for this. I was not claiming you were, just simply asking. You just happened to take it upon yourself to defend the Cox fans and "line-check" me. (Good sports cross reference by the way).

I have always said if you are good, you don't need to tell anyone. Many Cox fans spent the winter and spring bragging about their team (much like Kellam did a few years ago). It is their right to do so but, when things go south, why can't someone remember the talk? I didn't call your kid ugly or say he couldn't play.

I am not a big FC fan but I will say one thing about them - they don't talk about how good they are. They just go out and show it. I would hope that Cox, if they put together a solid 5 seasons, will get to this point.

Because I post "abrasive" comments about EVOA and Cox, I have major failures or disappointments in my life? Nope, none to report. I got all I wanted out of baseball and, to date, I am very happy with my life. Thanks for caring, though.

On another note, good luck to your son next year with Coach Keyes. He is a good guy and a very good coach.
Redbird,

If coach Conroy believes he knows as much about ship repair estimating as I believe I know about baseball, he is more then welcome to come point out my estimating flaws with some constructive criticism. Not a problem.

"If you don't make mistakes...you're not doing anything."

Thank you for the good wishes for Brett. We are looking forward to the experience.

Isn't this fun? Especially when work is slow? duel biglaugh
estimator,

Yes, it is fun...but back to the debate...so you are telling me that, if Conroy studied estimating, you would allow him to come to your work?!?! C'mon. You can't be serious.

I think it would be great to have a coach some to a critical parent's job and look over their shoulder while they try to work. Something very funny about that image to me.
Craig,

The Salem/Princess Anne game was a great game to watch. Especially for me: someone with no vested interest and who enjoys watching both of these coaches anyway. Tonights game will also be interesting. I was impressed at the Ocean Lakes game. Luke (freshmen) held his composure even when things were not going so well. He did a great job.
As for volunteer work, I would personally like to thank all of the Kellam guys for their lasting support at Virginia Beach Little League. We have some that are volunteer umpires, some that help coach teams, many that come out and do field work, and a group that came out and painted. The Board Members would also like to thank the coach along with his players, who hold FREE clinics for the players of our league and offers his support to any venture that we may need him for. The younger boys love Coach Jones and all of his players. And I, having supported Kellam Baseball, for quite a few years, through the good times and bad, would like to personally thank them. You're a great bunch of kids!

Lynn Metheny
Redbird,

If any coach...not just Conroy...were as directly involved with or affected by my work as I believe we as parents are with his work, then by all means I should expect comments...whether they be critical or congadulatory. But that is not the fact here, and thus is a mute point on your part. Coaches have come under scrutiny from the general public (parents, fans, spectators) since day one. It is part of the game/business. I agree that some...a small minority...carry their criticisms to extreme. But most are good natured loyal fans expressing their thoughts based on what they are seeing. They do so because they care...about the team, the coach, their favorite player, or whatever. It is antagonizers who stir the pot way too often who truly do more harm than good. Think about it Redbird before you respond back. Almost every...if not all responses to you on this and many threads by many people...have been adversarial. Why do you think that is?
Regardless of how directly affected you are by a coach, what makes you an expert in his field? What gives a fan the right to criticize him? Because you attend the game? Because your son plays for him? I know this is more of a philosophical argument and I expect it to die.

I just checked my last 40-50 posts and only 3-4 (outside this thread) have been adversarial. Perhaps I just rub you the wrong way? To that end, ignore me. I will voice my opinion. If you like it, great. If not, too bad.

I haven't said anything out of line. Calling out the Cox fans is not that bad. Don't shake your pom poms so loudly at the beginning of the year if you cannot take the heat at the end of the year. I did not bash any players or coaches in any of my posts. My biggest offense is that I insulted your green and gold blood. How is that doing more harm than good?
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Redbird,

You don't count very well. guess I don't need to worry about you criticizing my work any time soon. biglaugh

You haven't insulted my loyalty any where near as much as you think I have insulted your integrity...or lack of. Not only will I not ignore your blatantly callous posts, I will continue to respond. If you like it, great. If you don't...too bad. And I never said I was an expert in a coach's field. What makes you an expert in any thing to do with baseball?

You continue to sound like like an embittered former coach who was oft criticized. maybe for good reason. If you can't stand the heat, get away from the flame. Big Grin
I have read this site for years and would generally never consider participating in the banter that goes on. Mostly it is amusing, sometimes it is refreshing to read comments from someone like "Be All You Can Be". If you are a kid, and I know you are, what a great kid you are. This is mostly meant for DOC, whoever or whatever the heck you are. I have been around baseball most of my life, and have gotten to listen to alot of comments about baseball and more importantly, about Matt. All I want to tell you DOC is you do not know as much as you think you know about most subjects from what I can tell. You especially DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the Justin Jones situation, And, by the way, I believe there were three or four kids that left Kempsville that year, and you'll have to take up the reasons they left with them. My husband has given and given and given to baseball and kids his whole life, and in some of those situations, knowingly has put himself in a no-win situation for himself for idiots like you who have ignorant opinions about things they know NOTHING about. But I just want to tell you to BE VERY CAREFUL. People have been sued over slander and that is what your written words have been, slander. No one is perfect, but Matt has done more for baseball and for kids than you will ever dream of knowing or accomplishing. I will apologize to all others on this site because I know that this is not what it is meant for. Sometimes I just get tired of the DOCS in the baseball world. TO all you baseball players out there, keep up the good work, play hard, and you will all be winners no matter what the score is.
Tina Sinnen,

I am shocked! You stuck up for your husband! However, we probably should have started a seperate subject: Explain to DOC to do his homework before he utters his comments. After all, not only does he have knowledge of your situation, he also knows that I have not been around the baseball fields very long.

Lynn Metheny

Great idea to identify yourself.

By the way DOC, according to school board policy, 6-56, your coach needs to have lots of paperwork on file for the players to be driving to school-related events. I'm sure, without a doubt, all of those procedures have been followed.

Now lets get back to the game tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ms Tina,

Who is Matt? I was refering to driller whoever he is. I really don't think you know what your talking about. You know the stated facts happen so why deny them. Don't think that he is the only person who has given his life to baseball and our youth. Kempsville never had three players leave in the same year JJ left and the next year WR left and accomplished nothing by leaving. The other player left the same year as WR for football and that's a fact. Don't forget about the high profile players that left your program.

1943 yankee,

I challange you to research and find out if all the paper work that is required has been submitted. The Kemsville coach knows the rules and what is required of him. You don't see Kempsville forfeiting any games.
estimator,

I count just fine. An engineering degree to prove it.

I am just fine with my integrity and so are others that know baseball. Many on this board know me personally. I would bet they would say the same thing. Please explain how I have damaged my integrity with a post on a message board without attacking a player or coach but a group of notoriously, excessively eager fans.

What makes me an expert? You can ask those who know baseball in the area about my knowledge and draw your own conclusions.

You still didn't answer my question about what makes you an expert? (You like to re-direct the question but you don't answer any)

Speaking of negative posts...every one of your posts to me have been negative. So much for your exchange of positive ideas.
doc,

No. I don't know it to be true. I know people like you spread rumors. For what reason? How about them illegal practices you supposedly know about?


Eminem (great name by the way),

No Kellam fans attacked doc. If I remember correctly, it was doc who fired the first shot. No Kellam fans attacked him but they did defend their coach. For some reason, doc has a problem with Kellam and driller (even though he can't figure out who driller is).

In case you didn't know, St. Clair is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Unless you know him personally, you would think he was trying to pull a fast one. Of all the coaches I know, I am convinced St. Clair made an honest mistake.

By the way, you may want to ask one of your teachers what hipocrisy is. Comparing my words to Cox fans (notice I didn't attack Conroy) and the Kellam situation is like comparing apples to doorknobs.
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Redbird- I’m at a loss here…what exactly have the Cox fans done or said that you take issue with? Yes, early on there was talk that Cox was the favorite in the Beach and Cox fans were very excited. Rightly so, Cox had a very talented team, and , on paper, they looked to be the favorites. I also remember you saying something to the effect that Cox fans would be calling for a new coach if they didn’t win this year. Well, they didn’t win, and the only person that I’ve seen mention anything about a new coach on this forum is you. Why the post? Were you trying to, as another poster said, “stir the pot” and make your prediction come true? Well it looks like you were wrong. The only thing your post has done is stir up support for Coach Conroy. If you find the time, please respond to my first question because while I haven’t posted much on these boards, I have read most of the posts here and can’t recall anything from Cox fans that would warrant your singling out them as a group. If there is something you are aware of that has taken place away from this board, perhaps you can discuss it directly with them, there are always a few disgruntled fans/parents on any team, but please don’t try and pin label on a large group of mostly dedicated, caring baseball fans and parents
Redbird what is hipocrisy?

I believe the word your looking for is hypocrisy
Here's a site for the definition www.dictionary.com

I believe a synonym for hypocrisy is double standards

Here's a double standard
Kellam fans are allowed to support their coach and Cox fans can't support theirs. Cox fans can't even support themselves. This is all according to your logic.

By the way you might want to ask coach jones if he can count

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