Just a quick question , if your 6.6 185 can run a 6.5 60, hit well above average and can track and run down nearly any ball hit to the out fild, with a good arm what are your chances of being drafted out of high school ?
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Switch to pitcher, 90+ FB and 3 pitches for strikes, you'll get drafted.
Less than .001%, or 1 in 100,000, statistically speaking.
If he has been approached by Pro Scouts, including in home visits and filling out Pro Questionnaires, that percent increases to .01%, or 1 in 10,000.
If he has been approached by Pro Scouts, including in home visits and filling out Pro Questionnaires, that percent increases to .01%, or 1 in 10,000.
If you can hit for POWER and average then there may be some interest, if not then no.
Hi gman:
I dont think you have enough information there. How old is he?
If he's not a pitcher - he's a hitter. If he's a well above average hitter, what type of pitching is he facing? For example, how often does he travel to face the top elite California pitchers? How much does he work at hitting?
My 2014 son spent five months last winter in private lessons with a good technical hitting coach to work on his hitting (his son is in his final year at a southern school and a 3 or 4 hitter). Guy did it for the love of teaching a student that worked. It was between 2 and 4 hours a week. He was batting minimum 400 every season before this - my point is we didnt have to do this. After mechanics, the guy spent a long time on the psychology between pitches, visual mechanics, etc. Son batted in the 600 vicinity last summer. Lots of power (6'1"/193 Lbs.) but, probably more noted for how tough an out he was (K'd 3 times in his first 59 at-bats - 2 of those questionable called third strikes). Mid season, I had him switch to wood for a couple of months for practice for elite Try Outs, otherwise his average would have probably been 100 points higher. He sswitched back again a month before play-off's.
The elite gods though... have determined that he's not a positional player (he's a pitcher). This is mainly based upon his lack of speed. Your son's gift of a 6.5 cant be attained with my son's 8.6 (still improving).
That's why I asked how hard is he working at hitting?
Although my son is one of the best hitters his age in the province, he has one year left to hit and he wants to go back and work with this hitting coach this spring. He likes the process. We're are from the northern climates like yourself. My son's swing was developed based upon a shorter season. We dont see ten months of pitching a year. This rigorous process of hitting has had great benefits I might add to his pitching. In Fall Ball this year, my son faced 16U and 17U elite hitters and he could see and capitalize on many weaknesses - they had no process.
I think the litmus test for your son would be to take him in a PG showcase down the coast in California and see how he performs as a hitter there. That would tell you a lot and give you a lot to work on.
Your son by virtue of being exceptionally tall and fast, has much better-than-the-average-bear .001% odds IMHO.
In would go with TPM though if there's time left. I think the percentages go with pitching, particularly with that height and the long levers.
I dont think you have enough information there. How old is he?
If he's not a pitcher - he's a hitter. If he's a well above average hitter, what type of pitching is he facing? For example, how often does he travel to face the top elite California pitchers? How much does he work at hitting?
My 2014 son spent five months last winter in private lessons with a good technical hitting coach to work on his hitting (his son is in his final year at a southern school and a 3 or 4 hitter). Guy did it for the love of teaching a student that worked. It was between 2 and 4 hours a week. He was batting minimum 400 every season before this - my point is we didnt have to do this. After mechanics, the guy spent a long time on the psychology between pitches, visual mechanics, etc. Son batted in the 600 vicinity last summer. Lots of power (6'1"/193 Lbs.) but, probably more noted for how tough an out he was (K'd 3 times in his first 59 at-bats - 2 of those questionable called third strikes). Mid season, I had him switch to wood for a couple of months for practice for elite Try Outs, otherwise his average would have probably been 100 points higher. He sswitched back again a month before play-off's.
The elite gods though... have determined that he's not a positional player (he's a pitcher). This is mainly based upon his lack of speed. Your son's gift of a 6.5 cant be attained with my son's 8.6 (still improving).
That's why I asked how hard is he working at hitting?
Although my son is one of the best hitters his age in the province, he has one year left to hit and he wants to go back and work with this hitting coach this spring. He likes the process. We're are from the northern climates like yourself. My son's swing was developed based upon a shorter season. We dont see ten months of pitching a year. This rigorous process of hitting has had great benefits I might add to his pitching. In Fall Ball this year, my son faced 16U and 17U elite hitters and he could see and capitalize on many weaknesses - they had no process.
I think the litmus test for your son would be to take him in a PG showcase down the coast in California and see how he performs as a hitter there. That would tell you a lot and give you a lot to work on.
Your son by virtue of being exceptionally tall and fast, has much better-than-the-average-bear .001% odds IMHO.
In would go with TPM though if there's time left. I think the percentages go with pitching, particularly with that height and the long levers.
Has been approached by pro scouts, they have come to his games and approached me and filled out questinaires. Still have senior year of high school to play ,so we will wait and see, .He has good power hitting, just working on driving te ball,
Hey not long, thanks for the repley . He is 17 -18 at the end of April. Yes he is a hitter, main position is center field, can cover a lot of ground with those long strides. Has always been on select summer teams playing in the higest level the northwest has micky mantel olympic, played with wood for he first time last summer so that was an eye opener ,sort of a transition year not to many cheap hits. He is working with a former big leaguer on his hitting and i feel is getting some great technical advice. I think if the final high school season goes well some doors will open.
Well take in consideration that he is already filling out questionaires and getting all the MLB attention, I would say better chance than most to get drafted out of High school. Depends also if he is willing to waive college options and or gets too greedy as to how much it would take to sign him! Good luck to you both in the 2011 season.
quote:Originally posted by azallan:
Well take in consideration that he is already filling out questionaires and getting all the MLB attention, I would say better chance than most to get drafted out of High school. Depends also if he is willing to waive college options and or gets too greedy as to how much it would take to sign him! Good luck to you both in the 2011 season.
In case you didn't notice the same question has been presented in another forum regarding recruiting.
g man,
JMO, I would at this point concentrate on the college thing first, and worry about the draft stuff later.
Not knowing your player it's really hard to tell you whether what you tell us about him might mean he could get drafted, plus he has to compete with all of those that will be draft eligible in 2011. Sounds like he needs work on his hitting.
I do beleive his height, might be more conducive 4 pitching, as you do not find too many position (outfield especially) that tall on rosters. If he has a good strong arm, not sure why no one has ever converted him to pitcher. If they did suggest and you didn't think that was a good move for him, you may have restricted his ability to play to his max potential. I think that this was what justbaseball was talking about in the topc about 2 way players.
Lots of players get interest, that does not mean they will be drafted. Again, I would work on where he is going to go to college first.
Hi gman:
One of the things that the recruiting guys with our travel organization tell us to prepare us (player/parents) is that it’s not such a bad thing to go JUCO or red shirt in order to acclimate.
Has College been a big interest for your boy up until the Pro interest in him? I’m guessing it has to have been a consideration at the least. If it were my son and he had good academic options, he would have to be going in the first two or three rounds before I’d be saying “Yes son – I agree - that’s a good option”.
There are a number of good schools in your area that are very capable of getting your son a pro contract in his junior year. I’m pretty sure one of them sent five guys last year and you’d have a good chance to acclimate with the best. Given the pro interest, he could probably get his education paid for by a good D1 and have a **** good Plan B. Plus, he could probably negotiate his last year paid for from the pro’s.
A lot of people say, I’ll come back and do that later but, it’s usually not with the same options and mental preparedness you have to do it out of High School. I’ve got a lot of respect for those that do this.
The other way you could look at it is that if he wasn’t going to get drafted out of the school, he wasn’t going to go that far in the minors.
We are not independently wealthy. I would say the equilibrium point has to be somewhere between a $200K and $300K signing bonus. Can anybody point me to a good thread that talks about where this point should be?
One of the things that the recruiting guys with our travel organization tell us to prepare us (player/parents) is that it’s not such a bad thing to go JUCO or red shirt in order to acclimate.
Has College been a big interest for your boy up until the Pro interest in him? I’m guessing it has to have been a consideration at the least. If it were my son and he had good academic options, he would have to be going in the first two or three rounds before I’d be saying “Yes son – I agree - that’s a good option”.
There are a number of good schools in your area that are very capable of getting your son a pro contract in his junior year. I’m pretty sure one of them sent five guys last year and you’d have a good chance to acclimate with the best. Given the pro interest, he could probably get his education paid for by a good D1 and have a **** good Plan B. Plus, he could probably negotiate his last year paid for from the pro’s.
A lot of people say, I’ll come back and do that later but, it’s usually not with the same options and mental preparedness you have to do it out of High School. I’ve got a lot of respect for those that do this.
The other way you could look at it is that if he wasn’t going to get drafted out of the school, he wasn’t going to go that far in the minors.
We are not independently wealthy. I would say the equilibrium point has to be somewhere between a $200K and $300K signing bonus. Can anybody point me to a good thread that talks about where this point should be?
Good post.
It's all in what is important to each individual.
If it's not about the bonus money, sign, if it is about the bonus money go to school.
Having one in pro ball that went to college first, I can say that was a very good choice for him. I don't think he would change things if he had a do over. He wasn't drafted out of HS, though he could have been in the first 6-10 rounds and he was ranked high his senior year, he had a great scholarship he wasn't willing to give up. I wish he had his degree, he is about one year short. He has already lost some of his college money put aside by his organization due to advancement, so glad he has some moeny put aside to finish school. The organzations talk up a good MLB plan for school, but make sure one is familiar with how it actually works. For those out of HS who get nice bonus money it doesn't matter, for those with small bonus, it may later on.
The OP is talking about the draft and did mention there is no college choice at this time, so I suggested that they take care of one thing before the other.
It's all in what is important to each individual.
If it's not about the bonus money, sign, if it is about the bonus money go to school.
Having one in pro ball that went to college first, I can say that was a very good choice for him. I don't think he would change things if he had a do over. He wasn't drafted out of HS, though he could have been in the first 6-10 rounds and he was ranked high his senior year, he had a great scholarship he wasn't willing to give up. I wish he had his degree, he is about one year short. He has already lost some of his college money put aside by his organization due to advancement, so glad he has some moeny put aside to finish school. The organzations talk up a good MLB plan for school, but make sure one is familiar with how it actually works. For those out of HS who get nice bonus money it doesn't matter, for those with small bonus, it may later on.
The OP is talking about the draft and did mention there is no college choice at this time, so I suggested that they take care of one thing before the other.
Someone oughta find that thread that had the link about life as a minor leaguer so parents can show/read it to their sons.
It'll make one want to take off the rose colored glasses. I promise.
It'll make one want to take off the rose colored glasses. I promise.
That is a good idea young gun, have heard lots of horror storys , trying to balance education and the fantacy that our sons will be big leaguers one day is a strange one. I have always told my son ,be humble , work hard, and its you who will determine how far you go in baseball ,not me. I dont try to get to far a head of whats going to happen , i always say i like to be pleasently surprised than horrably disappointed
Check out this video. Eye opening on making it.
Old HSBBW thread w/video
Here are a few articles I dug up:
Playing for peanuts
Life in the Minor Leagues
Old HSBBW thread w/video
Here are a few articles I dug up:
Playing for peanuts
Life in the Minor Leagues