I don't think laboring over pitch count is the issue here,though I do think 150+ is a lot.I saw the game and truthfully saw Maury with a pathetic infield a struggling outfield and pretty much lazy playing all around.Granby was determined and wanted to win,and they did.The pitch count is not going to change that or ease the joke of it!Certainly,their are some compliments to go around,but too many head-scratchers that would tarnish that.Louis is a great kid and the numbers reflected that he is quite the Mule for Granby and deserves our respect to be forced to carry the load for such a team of misfits and loud mouths.Even the Umpire complimented Granby for having such a reckless fan base,that could use some quality church time.Good Luck Louis,as I saw quite a few scouts there. 
Church time for the fans huh...while they are there have'em pray for that kid's arm.
I understand that, birddog, and I agree that 151 pitches, in this case, is too many. I don't, however, agree with some arbitrary number, nor do I agree with posting a "number" on a public board to suggest that a coach has "abused" a player. Nolan Ryan made his major league debut at 19 years old. He NEVER threw with a pitch count, which is to say that no one cared too much about pitch counts in those days, at any level. We can probably assume that kids in those days threw a ton.
ONCE AGAIN, I believe 151 was too many, but I know you know what Singleton looks like. He is a MAN, not a child. I do not advocate abuse, but if anyone can handle 100+ (not 151) pitches it would probably be a "child" who is, I don't know, 6'4"/240 pounds. That being said, definitely err on the side of caution, but be careful about public posts claiming abuse. Any coach who would abuse a player doesn't care about any of our posts, and it's not worth slandering a coach who is innocent. Every sport deals with this issue, be it dropping weight in wrestling, gaining weight in football, or pitching too much in baseball. I just advocate responsibility on public boards, that's all.
ONCE AGAIN, I believe 151 was too many, but I know you know what Singleton looks like. He is a MAN, not a child. I do not advocate abuse, but if anyone can handle 100+ (not 151) pitches it would probably be a "child" who is, I don't know, 6'4"/240 pounds. That being said, definitely err on the side of caution, but be careful about public posts claiming abuse. Any coach who would abuse a player doesn't care about any of our posts, and it's not worth slandering a coach who is innocent. Every sport deals with this issue, be it dropping weight in wrestling, gaining weight in football, or pitching too much in baseball. I just advocate responsibility on public boards, that's all.
capthasbeen,
For the record, the only person using the word "abuse" in this thread is you. You've said it 5 times.
I think what everyone is saying is "Wow!". 151 pitches at any age is cause for someone to say "Wow!"
For the record, the only person using the word "abuse" in this thread is you. You've said it 5 times.
I think what everyone is saying is "Wow!". 151 pitches at any age is cause for someone to say "Wow!"
Sorry... Wow! That's a lot of pitches! 
Implicit vs. explicit... And it's not just this thread.
Good game, Louis! We'll see you again soon, hopefully with better results for Maury!
Implicit vs. explicit... And it's not just this thread.
Good game, Louis! We'll see you again soon, hopefully with better results for Maury!
For those with an interest in reading a fairly recent article on the pitch count debate, the New York Times on August 7, 2009 contained an article entitled “Arms Control Breakdown.” Includes an interview with Dr. Andrews. Found at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08....html?pagewanted=all
Found one quote particularly interesting, that of Stan Conte, the Dodgers’ head athletic trainer.. “We look at a starting pitcher pitching once every five days — an older guy whose mechanics are good and, when everything’s right, throwing 100 to 110 pitches per week. And this is with years of training.”
Found one quote particularly interesting, that of Stan Conte, the Dodgers’ head athletic trainer.. “We look at a starting pitcher pitching once every five days — an older guy whose mechanics are good and, when everything’s right, throwing 100 to 110 pitches per week. And this is with years of training.”
Being the parent of a pitcher ain't easy. My son hasn't pitched for 4 years since was told to stop for one year due to growth plate separation in his elbow. But I still clearly recall the feeling of agony when he struggled on the mound and the joy when he was on. I also recall his orthopedic surgeon telling me that he sometimes was confronted by irate parents when he told them their young pitcher had to be shut down. The Dr. also told me he was getting very rich due to over-use of baseball pitchers.
No doubt pitch counts are an inexact safety valve but erring on the side of less rather than more pitches seems a no-brainer - especially for a high school player who is hoping to play in college. In the heat of battle, sometimes the judgment of a player or coach can be clouded. Before I read the article WB cited, I was about to say a parent should have no such divided loyalty, but the article shows that parents (who need to be the last line of defense for their kid's health) can also get caught up in winning and put safety on the back-burner. The article shows that the urge to win (at every level) can be recklessly strong.
As for the Maury - Granby game, Granby got on top early and played with fire. However, I think this game will end up being very good motivation for Maury. Getting punched in the gut usually is.
No doubt pitch counts are an inexact safety valve but erring on the side of less rather than more pitches seems a no-brainer - especially for a high school player who is hoping to play in college. In the heat of battle, sometimes the judgment of a player or coach can be clouded. Before I read the article WB cited, I was about to say a parent should have no such divided loyalty, but the article shows that parents (who need to be the last line of defense for their kid's health) can also get caught up in winning and put safety on the back-burner. The article shows that the urge to win (at every level) can be recklessly strong.
As for the Maury - Granby game, Granby got on top early and played with fire. However, I think this game will end up being very good motivation for Maury. Getting punched in the gut usually is.
Lake Taylor has two to close out this week. We play Booker T today and Maury tomorrow both at Lake Taylor. Getting to the thick of the season where the last 5 games all matter. We shall see. I think Friday's game vs Maury will be a good one to watch.
quote:Originally posted by rlscosta:
Lake Taylor has two to close out this week. We play Booker T today and Maury tomorrow both at Lake Taylor. Getting to the thick of the season where the last 5 games all matter. We shall see. I think Friday's game vs Maury will be a good one to watch.
Any news on the LT / Maury game?
LT beat Maury 4-3. Freshman from LT threw a great game and struck out 10. Maury did not show up today.
LT's Taylor Erby throws a gem vs. Maury and downs the Commodores 3-2. What a phenomenal game. Great pitching by both sides and timely hitting by the Titans was enough to down Maury.
Maury has a chance to come back in the 7th with men on 1st and 2nd and no one out by failed to executed a bunt and next guy hit into a game ending DP.
Maury has a chance to come back in the 7th with men on 1st and 2nd and no one out by failed to executed a bunt and next guy hit into a game ending DP.
Lake Taylor blew a great opportunity vs Granby. Lost 9-0 with too many mental errors...we showed our age out there.
Tomorrow's match up vs Churchland is for the right to the last playoff spot and the season on the line.
Tomorrow's match up vs Churchland is for the right to the last playoff spot and the season on the line.
Maury needs to get back on track today against Norview. Hopefully, the bats will wake up and give pitchers some support.
quote:Originally posted by rlscosta:
Lake Taylor blew a great opportunity vs Granby. Lost 9-0 with too many mental errors...we showed our age out there.
Tomorrow's match up vs Churchland is for the right to the last playoff spot and the season on the line.
Any news on this game at Churchland?
Lake Taylor goes up 6-0 after two innings on Churchland. Conley throwing for the Truckers and Taylor Erby throwing for LT. COnley was at 77-78 mph and Erby 80-81. Churchland put up 6 runs on the 5th to tie it. Lake Taylor scores 1 on top of 6th for the lead and the game. Lake Taylor now 9-9 overall 8-5 in district with Wilson coming up Tuesday.
Churchland has much tougher road with Maury on Tuesday. Justin Erby went 3-4, scored 2 runs and had 2 RBI. Troy Jones came in last 2 innings to pick up his 6th win.
Churchland has much tougher road with Maury on Tuesday. Justin Erby went 3-4, scored 2 runs and had 2 RBI. Troy Jones came in last 2 innings to pick up his 6th win.
3 Way tie for 1 place maury, granby and norview
quote:Originally posted by rlscosta:
Lake Taylor goes up 6-0 after two innings on Churchland. Conley throwing for the Truckers and Taylor Erby throwing for LT. COnley was at 77-78 mph and Erby 80-81. Churchland put up 6 runs on the 5th to tie it. Lake Taylor scores 1 on top of 6th for the lead and the game. Lake Taylor now 9-9 overall 8-5 in district with Wilson coming up Tuesday.
Churchland has much tougher road with Maury on Tuesday. Justin Erby went 3-4, scored 2 runs and had 2 RBI. Troy Jones came in last 2 innings to pick up his 6th win.
Sounds like a great game. LT will be strong next year with all those young players. The Erby brothers have always dominated. And here as Freshman are dominating varsity. Great for them.
Wild game at Churchland,Maury gets win with Bashara on the mound,with 10k's.Maury's middle infield gave up six or seven unearned runs to keep Churchland in the game.Granby loses to Norview with Singleton on the mound 3 to 1.Maury and Norview play tie-breaker Tuesday the 18th ,6pm at ODU.
From what I hear, no game tonight at ODU. I'm thinking Norview will play Maury tomorrow with winner guarantied a spot in Regionals. Lake Taylor will face the winner of this game as 1 vs 4 seed.