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I have two related questions. In a game where team X is ahead by one run the starting pitcher for team X gives up a double, and the outfielder makes an error letting the ball get behind him to allow the runner to take third. The starting pitcher is pulled and the relief pitcher comes in with the lead but a man on base from the starting pitcher. A passed ball occurs allowing the runner to score. The inning ends with a tie score and continues on.

I know the run does not go against the relief pitcher, but does that run get charged to the starting pitchers ERA?

In the same scenerio, but the score was tied, then the runner scored on the passed ball, would the loss go to the starting pitcher or the relief pitcher if team X does not score any more runs in later innings?
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First scenario, it depends on what happened the rest of the inning before it ended. If there are two singles, then 3 K's, the run would be earned since the singles would have scored him anyway. If there were 3 K's after, it would not be earned as the runner would not have scored if the error had not been made. Really depends.

Second scenario, starting pitcher gets the loss. Runner on was his runner, so he was behind when all his runners were accounted for. In this scenario, it doesn't matter whether the runs were earned or unearned - only the score when the book is closed on him.

Hope that makes sense.
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Originally posted by bballman:
First scenario, it depends on what happened the rest of the inning before it ended.


No outs when the runner advanced to 3rd from the double and CF error, allowing the runner to advance to 3rd.
Relief pitcher brought in and struck out first batter for first out. Then a passed ball allowed runner on 3rd to score. The batter up to the plate when the passed ball occured was walked. Next batter was out to pop up for 2nd out. Next batter was hit by pitch. Next batter pop out for 3rd out.

ER to starter?
This is an unearned run. You didn't mention if pop outs were on the infield or outfield. The batter that hit the double should have been on second without the outfield error. He could have tagged and went to 3rd on the first pop out, but the next pop out ended the inning, so he couldn't have scored without the error. Passed balls also are not held against a pitcher, wild pitches are however.

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