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In talking with a lot of players in these age groups I believe it has a lot more to do with them wanting a style different than what they classify as the "Trucker Hat" look. The associate a curved bill and definately a "creased in the middle" bill as old fashioned.
My only rule has been the "no caps to the side". It makes your IQ drop 100 points by wearing it that way. There is no way to look intelligent and wear a hat that way.
We have been through this with high vs full stirup socks, stirup socks vs sanitaries, pants leg high vs low, elastic bottom vs Clemson cut, and so on and so on, for as long as I can remember.
It is just another style fad like tie-dyed shirts, bellbottom pants, wearing two polo shirts, penny loafers, and all the other stupid clothing fads we all went through.
Bballman,
I know what you mean about seeing teams that exude that cockiness that make you want to beat them, but I would bet you have never seen Dennis let the 15U Astros act out of place and be disrespectful. I would say their actions are more what I like to refer to as "Necessary Arrogance".
My only rule has been the "no caps to the side". It makes your IQ drop 100 points by wearing it that way. There is no way to look intelligent and wear a hat that way.
We have been through this with high vs full stirup socks, stirup socks vs sanitaries, pants leg high vs low, elastic bottom vs Clemson cut, and so on and so on, for as long as I can remember.
It is just another style fad like tie-dyed shirts, bellbottom pants, wearing two polo shirts, penny loafers, and all the other stupid clothing fads we all went through.
Bballman,
I know what you mean about seeing teams that exude that cockiness that make you want to beat them, but I would bet you have never seen Dennis let the 15U Astros act out of place and be disrespectful. I would say their actions are more what I like to refer to as "Necessary Arrogance".
I've been told by scouts and college coaches that "flat-billing" is a negative in their eyes. They don't want to see it..
Jon
-hardballcoach.com
Jon
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quote:Originally posted by Hardball Coach:
I've been told by scouts and college coaches that "flat-billing" is a negative in their eyes. They don't want to see it..
Jon
-hardballcoach.com
Not trying to start a fight but if this is to be true why do we see so many of the college baseball players on TV have flat bills?
Maybe I'm wrong but when I watched CBB on tv last spring I remember seeing a bunch of them. Where do you think HS age kids get it from? If college players weren't doing it then HS players wouldn't do it.
quote:I've been told by scouts and college coaches that "flat-billing" is a negative in their eyes. They don't want to see it..
Lots of things could be considered negatives. Some of those things will never change while others are simple to change.
If a coach doesn't like flat bills... It is a simple fix... Just don't allow it! If the best player has a flat bill... Recruit him and then tell him to round his bill. If he won't do that... It is a BIG negative.
It's amazing how those flat billed caps aren't nearly such a negative on the head of a pitcher throwing mid 90s or the best player on the field.
C.C. Sabathia.........not more to say...flat bill, turned to the side.....every kid sees it on t.v., and just as I imitated Pete Roses stance, Joe Morgans arm twitch and Luis Tiants ptiching delivery, some of them want to look like him. My team wears their hats straight, it just is what we do, and I agree when we play a conference team who has a pitcher that wears a flat bill turned sideways, I tell my guys 20 bucks for anyone who rips a line drive back through the box and knocks it off!!!! But in reality times change and so do fads, I believe that is what we are seeing.
quote:It's amazing how those flat billed caps aren't nearly such a negative on the head of a pitcher throwing mid 90s or the best player on the field.
And when we have someone come to my high school who throws mid-90s, he very may be allowed to wear his hat however he wants. Until then...
Wear your uniform the right way. yes I am old school. I go to a game and see kids with shirt tails out and hats on backwards etc etc. I told my players when they are on the field the dugout or getting off the bus they are dressed properly. And yes that included the hat. They better not have me see them with their team hat on backwards sideways or any other way that it is suppose to be worn.
I still work camps and clinics so i interact with players and parents. Now suppose a parent of a player wants to talk to me about enrolling his kid in a program. He arrives and there i am with my hat on sideways or backwards.. Just wondering
I still work camps and clinics so i interact with players and parents. Now suppose a parent of a player wants to talk to me about enrolling his kid in a program. He arrives and there i am with my hat on sideways or backwards.. Just wondering
Just to be clear, I don't care for much of the "new" school stuff either. Also agree with those who believe everyone on a “team” should look the same.
Things like earrings, backwards hats, flat bills, pants pulled over the heel, sloppy looking uniforms, etc. I've even wondered why kids look a certain way knowing there are coaches who might not like the way they look. There are many old school coaches. Why do anything that they might not care for. Why give them a reason to not like you?
However times change no matter what any of us like. Styles change... Hair, Clothing, Shoes, Equipment, etc.
Remember the "old school" basketball uniforms. Now when we watch film of those old time players, it seems like it's those old skin tight shorts that look terrible IMO. Yet when the baggy shorts first became popular, I hated it.
Sometimes what is thought of as old school isn’t based on the oldest school. It is based on our youth. If 50 years from now a basketball team goes back to skin tight shorts will that be a return to old school or will the baggy shorts be considered old school? In baseball what is old school? Would it be based on the 1860s, the 1900s, the 1930s, 1950s, 1970s, 2000? Should the players of today dress and look like the players from 1890? Even though I would consider myself old school, still not sure what that means exactly.
How do we like these hats? This is very old school... The Cincinnati Reds!
Things like earrings, backwards hats, flat bills, pants pulled over the heel, sloppy looking uniforms, etc. I've even wondered why kids look a certain way knowing there are coaches who might not like the way they look. There are many old school coaches. Why do anything that they might not care for. Why give them a reason to not like you?
However times change no matter what any of us like. Styles change... Hair, Clothing, Shoes, Equipment, etc.
Remember the "old school" basketball uniforms. Now when we watch film of those old time players, it seems like it's those old skin tight shorts that look terrible IMO. Yet when the baggy shorts first became popular, I hated it.
Sometimes what is thought of as old school isn’t based on the oldest school. It is based on our youth. If 50 years from now a basketball team goes back to skin tight shorts will that be a return to old school or will the baggy shorts be considered old school? In baseball what is old school? Would it be based on the 1860s, the 1900s, the 1930s, 1950s, 1970s, 2000? Should the players of today dress and look like the players from 1890? Even though I would consider myself old school, still not sure what that means exactly.
How do we like these hats? This is very old school... The Cincinnati Reds!
Surely old time baseball people would remember Tinker to Evers to Chance. They played for the Cubs last World Series Champs, a 100 years ago.
Not sure what happened to the link above?
Not sure what happened to the link above?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PGStaff:
Surely old time baseball people would remember Tinker to Evers to Chance. They played for the Cubs last World Series Champs, a 100 years ago.
Read somewhere that two of these three parts of the famous double play combination couldn't stand each other and rarely spoke to one another off the field! Tinkers and Evers I believe.
But I digress.
Surely old time baseball people would remember Tinker to Evers to Chance. They played for the Cubs last World Series Champs, a 100 years ago.
Read somewhere that two of these three parts of the famous double play combination couldn't stand each other and rarely spoke to one another off the field! Tinkers and Evers I believe.
But I digress.
I am a young coach. I coach under an older coach. Respect everything he says and does. he does not like the flat bill, but as long as it promotes team unity it is fine. We want some characters. Please do not forget that some of these kids this is all the baseball they want to play. I want them to play hard for me. i want them to enjoy the game. If they enjoy the game by their bill being flat, So be it. I even went flat bill last year, right before our sectionals began. Kids seemed to enjoy it. (did not win or lose a ball game for me) My three best players go flat bill. Has not hurt any of them in the recruiting process. All 3 will sign d1 or get drafted. If a scout or college coach does not recruit a kid based on a kids hat or pant legs. I am guessing he will not be around to long. These are all things you can change.
quote:Originally posted by TCB1:
Zomby....the style of your post kind of makes my point for me....
Explain the ignorance . I've seen non-gangsta kids wear flat bills. It's just a cap bill.
I've seen many baseball players today wear their baseball pants down to their spikes as opposed to the high socks which is a sloppy way to wear a baseball uniform but no big deal. It's the style.
Having a flat bill or a curved bill on your hat is no different than having different facemasks on your helmet in football. It's no different than having high socks or short socks in basketball. It's no different than some hitters wearing batting gloves and wristbands and others not.
Wearing the hat backwards or crooked is different. Wearing your shirt tucked in or hanging out is different too. You can wear a flat bill and be a clean cut, hard nosed, team player that has 100% respect for the game, his coach and his teammates. Banning flat bills is a coach just exercising control over a team in an area that doesn't matter.
Wearing the hat backwards or crooked is different. Wearing your shirt tucked in or hanging out is different too. You can wear a flat bill and be a clean cut, hard nosed, team player that has 100% respect for the game, his coach and his teammates. Banning flat bills is a coach just exercising control over a team in an area that doesn't matter.
Some coaches don't like certain looks on players. If a player is trying to make an impression, take a look at the coach. I told my son he didn't need to shave his head. But, the long, floppy, wavy hair was probably not a good look to impress the coach.
If I were trying out I'd make my hat look like the coach's hat. Then when I know I'm secure in my place on the team I'd wear it the way I like as long as it meets team standards.
If I were trying out I'd make my hat look like the coach's hat. Then when I know I'm secure in my place on the team I'd wear it the way I like as long as it meets team standards.
quote:If I were trying out I'd make my hat look like the coach's hat. Then when I know I'm secure in my place on the team I'd wear it the way I like as long as it meets team standards.
That's good advise...that's the kind of tip a kid can use the rest of his life. Same thing holds to dress when you are interviewing at a company for a job. Whether trying out, or interviewing, you want to communicate you will fit in so the coach, or boss, will focus on your qualifications. Once there, personal preferences so long as they fit in with the team/company standards is appropriate.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
If I were trying out I'd make my hat look like the coach's hat. Then when I know I'm secure in my place on the team I'd wear it the way I like as long as it meets team standards.
I agree. I'd do the same thing. Do what it takes to make the best impression to get the job or make the varsity team. Then personalize within guidelines once you're set in your position and proved yourself with your employers and coaches.
And yes, wearing caps sideways, shirts out etc..is different. I remember when my son played American Legion, umpires stopped games if players weren't wearing their uniforms right.
Zomby...glad you see it my way. That is, I tell my players to wear their hats straight, and to leave the bill curved the way the hat came; not more curved or less curved (at least not SIGNIFICANTLY more curved or less curved).
As for where it comes from: Look back about 2 or 3 years. You didn't see flat billed caps on baseball players. Now look at the style of the hats worn primarily by rap artists (flat bill, tag still on, etc). This is where our suburban players picked up the style. Does it mean they're bad kids or rappers or gang bangers? Of course not. They are suburban kids who are adopting a style popularized by succesful music artists. The same way kids in the 50's adopted Elvis hair and kids in the 60's adopted the Beatle cut...
But I don't have to like it any more than I like the "pants-belted-around-the-lower-butt-area-but-still-about-to-fall-down" look.
I also require hair off the collar, no facial hair, uniforms washed before every game and shoes polished before every game. To me, it's about looking like a team.
As for my "ignorance"...well, I'm an adult who doesn't have "peeps", and if you go to a "sporting goods" store, as opposed to one of the fancy athletic apparel stores in the mall, you will see that most if not all of the hats come with at least a slight "bridge" in the bill.
My "ignorance" also comes from the fact that I don't believe "coming to play" is enough. You want to do well, you want to get ahead in life? You just don't show up with talent, you put your nose to the ground and you work. And you do everything you can to improve yourself and make a good impression. And that means wearing your uniform the way the coach wants it.
If another coach likes the flat bill look, that's his business. I will always think that his kids look goofy and somewhat like punks. I'll just keep it to myself.
As for where it comes from: Look back about 2 or 3 years. You didn't see flat billed caps on baseball players. Now look at the style of the hats worn primarily by rap artists (flat bill, tag still on, etc). This is where our suburban players picked up the style. Does it mean they're bad kids or rappers or gang bangers? Of course not. They are suburban kids who are adopting a style popularized by succesful music artists. The same way kids in the 50's adopted Elvis hair and kids in the 60's adopted the Beatle cut...
But I don't have to like it any more than I like the "pants-belted-around-the-lower-butt-area-but-still-about-to-fall-down" look.
I also require hair off the collar, no facial hair, uniforms washed before every game and shoes polished before every game. To me, it's about looking like a team.
As for my "ignorance"...well, I'm an adult who doesn't have "peeps", and if you go to a "sporting goods" store, as opposed to one of the fancy athletic apparel stores in the mall, you will see that most if not all of the hats come with at least a slight "bridge" in the bill.
My "ignorance" also comes from the fact that I don't believe "coming to play" is enough. You want to do well, you want to get ahead in life? You just don't show up with talent, you put your nose to the ground and you work. And you do everything you can to improve yourself and make a good impression. And that means wearing your uniform the way the coach wants it.
If another coach likes the flat bill look, that's his business. I will always think that his kids look goofy and somewhat like punks. I'll just keep it to myself.
quote:Having a flat bill or a curved bill on your hat is no different than having different facemasks on your helmet in football.
Ummm.. wanna try again? Most of those facemasks are position-specific...
quote:Ummm.. wanna try again? Most of those facemasks are position-specific...
Wrong. Recommended, yes...required, no. There are plenty of different options for each position. And most cages can be worn in many different positions. And, some wear mask visors and some don't as well.
quote:Recommended, yes...required, no
Agreed, not "required" but for some it makes absolutely no sense..
Would a linemen actually wear the single bar facemask? Of course not...
quote:Agreed, not "required" but for some it makes absolutely no sense..
You and I may think that, but players have their reasons. Aikman wore a 3 bar lineman's cage. Theisman wore a single bar. Some hockey players wear a cage, some a visor, some nothing but a helmet. Point is...within some reason and guidelines, players are allowed to make their own choices for their own reasons.
