RZ
Different strokes for different folks
quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:quote:Sometimes people hide behind these noble causes.
I prefer to accentuate the positive and have an element of trust versus looking for the negative.
Trust begins with communication.
Quote OLDSLUGGER:
"I know players who prefer to practice a little more instead of trolling the college town bars."
I'm not the one who brought up "trolling the college town bars"? That doesn't sound like a very positive statement to me.
Would I prefer my son didn't drink? Absolutely. Is he a bad person, or irresponsible because he does sometimes indulge? No. It's all part of learning the balances of life. Balancing classes, baseball and life on their own. It's not negative. My son will be the first one to put in extra reps in the gym, run that extra mile and give 110 per cent everyday, but he will also be ready to relax with a cold one when he's done. The comraderie of college students and particularly ball players is part of the whole experience.
However, I would like to add, Garrido is past that area of experimentation. He should know better by now, if not for himself, for the kids and school he represents.
Listen to what is being said (paraphrased):
“Well we all did it, so it is ok.
Experimenting is expected so it is ok.
I wish more parents were like them. Their son spent the first semester exploring, got into academic problems, and had the misfortune to pick up a DUI when he was just trying to move his car out of a tow away zone. Aren’t they great parents?
Its ok for my son to have a beer after a game, he works hard on the field, he deserves it."
And where is all this being said? On a high school baseball message board, that’s where. It would not be a problem if this board did not provide OUTSTANDING advice to the high school athlete. No one would pay attention to us. But there are a lot of kids that come here for that advice and I am not sure the correct message is being sent.
50% of high school students don’t partake. That is not “most.” Another statistic is that you are 4 times more likely to become an alcoholic if you start drinking at 15 than you are if you start at 21.
RZ1 son said it best, "Maybe they're missing it."
Not meaning to further this debate about drinking, but it seems that those that talk against it are being bashed a bit in this post. I guess that has become the norm and we all will have to live with it. I struggle with this when topics like this come up on here. A message board can not replace good parents, I know that. But it is a place that a player can get an underlying feeling that things are ok and furthermore, acceptable.
Tell me I am not alone.
“Well we all did it, so it is ok.
Experimenting is expected so it is ok.
I wish more parents were like them. Their son spent the first semester exploring, got into academic problems, and had the misfortune to pick up a DUI when he was just trying to move his car out of a tow away zone. Aren’t they great parents?
Its ok for my son to have a beer after a game, he works hard on the field, he deserves it."
And where is all this being said? On a high school baseball message board, that’s where. It would not be a problem if this board did not provide OUTSTANDING advice to the high school athlete. No one would pay attention to us. But there are a lot of kids that come here for that advice and I am not sure the correct message is being sent.
50% of high school students don’t partake. That is not “most.” Another statistic is that you are 4 times more likely to become an alcoholic if you start drinking at 15 than you are if you start at 21.
RZ1 son said it best, "Maybe they're missing it."
Not meaning to further this debate about drinking, but it seems that those that talk against it are being bashed a bit in this post. I guess that has become the norm and we all will have to live with it. I struggle with this when topics like this come up on here. A message board can not replace good parents, I know that. But it is a place that a player can get an underlying feeling that things are ok and furthermore, acceptable.
Tell me I am not alone.
My statements were not about 15 year old high school students. I am talking about college kids/young adults who are out on their own for the first time. This is not advice and I dont think that high school kids or any kids come on here to look for advice in how to live their life. They may come on to find out what kind of bat to buy or about a college to look into, not for an excuse to have an alcoholic beverage.
We could just have two message boards. One for the people that want to only read what they agree with. And one where people express different views and hopefully learn from one another.
I must have missed the bashing. I thought we were having a discussion, like I have with my son about drinking etc. Was there something I missed?
I don't think it's the drinking that concerns parents, rather the repercussions as a result of the drinking. I am not condoning drinking but from past experiences, I think 
, I had a good time when I did indulge. Is it right, probably not, but as humans we strive for good times and unfortunately bad things can happen when having a good time. Statistically, the smart kids find that balance between good times and responsible behavior.
btw- I'm not saying that a good time cannot be had without alcohol, I'm saying that ever since man figured out how to ferment, juice has been part of our lives and will always be.
, I had a good time when I did indulge. Is it right, probably not, but as humans we strive for good times and unfortunately bad things can happen when having a good time. Statistically, the smart kids find that balance between good times and responsible behavior.btw- I'm not saying that a good time cannot be had without alcohol, I'm saying that ever since man figured out how to ferment, juice has been part of our lives and will always be.
Agree with that 100%
I agree with you puma. You never said that you supported under age drinking, you are just a parent like many of us who realize that once our kids leave the nest they are on their own and can make their own decisions. I'll bet you are also the type who has spoken to your son about it and made him aware that some decisions can lead to bad stuff and that they will have to live with the consequences for their bad decisions.
What I find interesting is that most parents here will say their sons don't drink, but statistics prove they do, you just don't know about it. I am not talking about getting trashed, just having a drink. There is a difference between that and having a cold one.
What I find interesting is that most parents here will say their sons don't drink, but statistics prove they do, you just don't know about it. I am not talking about getting trashed, just having a drink. There is a difference between that and having a cold one.
I would rather accept the fact that my son drinks occasionally and I can talk to him about it than both he and I pretending that he doesn't, closing the window of opportunity to discuss over- indulging, drinking and driving binge-ing, etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure there alot of kids that just don't like it and they probably made that decision by trying it. I really appreciate the kids that don't drink. Alot of young men I work with have drank and didn't enjoy it and relish the role of the "designated driver". They are fine young man as well as those that give them their keys. My final point is that the Long boy, yours and my children etc. should not be judged by whether or not they indulge in alcoholic beverages. A. Garrido knows better and has no business "experimenting" at this stage in his life.
What would Augie do if one of his players was the one who was picked up and charged? Would he be kicked off the team (I'm not sure, but I suspect he would). I'm sure it's happened before and there's a track record for the penalty, I just don't know what it is. I sure hope the school has the brass to treat the coach by the same standard he set for his team.
quote:Some kids just don't like it?
How do they know?
Unless they tried it???
I'm not nieve enough to believe my son never drank, or for that matter Drink's.
What I've said to him, face to face.
You and you alone.
Are responsible for your actions.
Live with the consequences of those actions.
Freshman year, there living on campus in the Dorms.
Sophmore year son lived with 3 upperclassmen.
Not as fun as he thought it would be??
And I believe he is very focused on achieving an education.
This being his Junior year. And having a place of his own to live helps.
Not as many distractions, Has a place to get away from it all.
Sometimes they just have to find out on there own.
How to get and or stay Focused.
EH
My sons do not drink - didn't in high school, don't (didn't) in college, and don't now even though two out of three are legally able to drink if they choose to. I don't think it, I'm not deluding myself, I know it. My oldest is almost 30 - they are all pretty comfortable telling me what they got away with when they were in school, and none of it involved alcohol or drugs. Many of their teammates have also told us at various times that they respect our boys for their ability to set a standard for themselves and stick to it, in spite of what was going on around them. One roommate told us that when the upperclass teammates came to roust them out of bed for "mandatory meetings" he was happy that our son was able to say "no thanks", which gave him the courage to do the same.
I say this for one reason - for those kids who might read this and be wondering if it is true that "everybody" does it, that drinking is indeed a fact of life for high school and college students or even for baseball players. The answer is no, not everyone does. It's not easy to be one of those who don't - you may not get invited to parties, because people might see you as a threat. You will probably be in the minority. You may feel you are missing out, and in truth you are. The question is, are you missing out on something that you want to be a part of anyway? For our boys the answer has always been "no".
Not a judgement on those who choose to (legally) drink - just a validation for those who choose not to.
I say this for one reason - for those kids who might read this and be wondering if it is true that "everybody" does it, that drinking is indeed a fact of life for high school and college students or even for baseball players. The answer is no, not everyone does. It's not easy to be one of those who don't - you may not get invited to parties, because people might see you as a threat. You will probably be in the minority. You may feel you are missing out, and in truth you are. The question is, are you missing out on something that you want to be a part of anyway? For our boys the answer has always been "no".
Not a judgement on those who choose to (legally) drink - just a validation for those who choose not to.
quote:What would Augie do if one of his players was the one who was picked up and charged?
I'll bet there are two answers
Legal age and minor and IMHO there should be two answers.
quote:quote:
What would Augie do if one of his players was the one who was picked up and charged?
I'll bet there are two answers
Legal age and minor and IMHO there should be two answers.
I'm just talking about the offense of DWI.
quote:I'm just talking about the offense of DWI.
If a player is of legal age and arrested there should be a punishment, if a player is under 21 and arrested there should be a different penalty
quote:If a player is of legal age and arrested there should be a punishment
Agree. And agree the punishment should be different if under 21. I think Augie should receive the same punishment a 21 year old who was on the team would have gotten. One could argue Augie should get a tougher penalty since he's well beyond old enough to know better. I think the same penalty is going soft (and I speculate a player would be removed from the team).
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
One could argue Augie should get a tougher penalty since he's well beyond old enough to know better. I think the same penalty is going soft (and I speculate a player would be removed from the team).
two phrases come to mind:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
and
All men are created equal, it just that some are more equal than others
Lets all guess which one will come into play
quote:All men are created equal, it just that some are more are more equal than others
Lets all guess which one will come into play
Especially in Austin if you coach the Football, Basketball or Baseball team.
He's suspended with pay as they investigate. Should he be fired, he would be paid $300,000 per year for the time remaining on the contract. That's probably the reason for the "smug mug shot" don't you think (believe it or not, that is the mug shot for the DWI arrest)?
I would think that most schools have policies regarding players in trouble over 21 vs. players in trouble under 21, unless specified that penalties are the same for ALL players.
All schools and all coaches have different policies. Under law, he's innocent until proven guilty, being suspended may mean they have a further dilemma on how to handle a coach vs. student.
Maybe schools should have rules regarding their coaches breaking the law?
All schools and all coaches have different policies. Under law, he's innocent until proven guilty, being suspended may mean they have a further dilemma on how to handle a coach vs. student.
Maybe schools should have rules regarding their coaches breaking the law?
I wonder if the charges are even going to go anywhere. According to the Dallas Morning News there was no breath sample...
"Arresting officer Robert Gilbert smelled alcohol on Garrido's breath, according to the report. Garrido, 69, was arrested after a field sobriety test. He did not provide a breath sample, police said. "
"Arresting officer Robert Gilbert smelled alcohol on Garrido's breath, according to the report. Garrido, 69, was arrested after a field sobriety test. He did not provide a breath sample, police said. "
quote:Maybe schools should have rules regarding their coaches breaking the law? noidea
Today many coaching contracts have ethics clauses but are usually written wit someone who has a "track record". IMHO, regardless of age, when you put the scale on the table Augie tips it on the good side. Should that affect his punishment, no, but we seem to accept the fact that kids will be kids, shet happens, and learn from our mistakes when young person is involved. I think he has earned that same "kitchen pass".
If he was arrested for DWI and there was no breath sample taken it was because he refused to give one. A refusal to give a breath test is an automatic revocation of your license for one year wether you are found guilty or not in court.
If a breath test is refused then the totality of the circumstances is used to prosecute the case. Manner in which he was driving , the smell of alcohol on his breath , the refusal to submit to a breath test , his actions and his answers to the field sobriety tests given once he was arrested. Its very hard to not be convicted when you refuse the test. Its basically an admission of guilt.
Its very unlikely he would be terminated until the case is handled in court one way or the other. Afer all you are innocent until proven guilty. He will either fight these charges or take a settlement under the table and resign.
If a breath test is refused then the totality of the circumstances is used to prosecute the case. Manner in which he was driving , the smell of alcohol on his breath , the refusal to submit to a breath test , his actions and his answers to the field sobriety tests given once he was arrested. Its very hard to not be convicted when you refuse the test. Its basically an admission of guilt.
Its very unlikely he would be terminated until the case is handled in court one way or the other. Afer all you are innocent until proven guilty. He will either fight these charges or take a settlement under the table and resign.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
I wonder if the charges are even going to go anywhere. According to the Dallas Morning News there was no breath sample...
"Arresting officer Robert Gilbert smelled alcohol on Garrido's breath, according to the report. Garrido, 69, was arrested after a field sobriety test. He did not provide a breath sample, police said. "
The other side of this that people ignor is that sometimes the police over react because of the "celeberty status", and that IMHO is worse than the "free pass". A story.
My son was pulled over at 2 AM in Oct in Madison on the UW campus in his tinted window CTS. He was driving 3 college buddies home, they were working out, went for a pizza, and watched some tv at a sports bar. The rest of the conversation was something like this
Cop- Hands on the wheel. See your license please
Ry- Whats the problem
Cop- Seat belt check and then I noticed the heavy tint on the windows.
Ry- I live in FL and SC in the summer and the tint helps with the heat
Cop- What do you do there
Ry- Play baseball
Cop- What?
Ry- I'm with the Yankee organization
Cop- Spoiled athlete huh. Step out of the car
RY- I'm the DD
Cop- Everyone is
From there, in Rys opinion, he passed all the sobriety tests, however, the cop said he did not turn around as he was told after walking the line so they brought out the breathalyzer. Seven attempts, .00 each time and then the shift commander drives up and asks why the 45 min pullover. The cop says in front of everyone, he's an athlete. The shift commander is livid and Ryan knows he has an opening.
The cop asks Ryan to pull the breath tube out of the device, he does and then with the rz1 charm and smirk asks the cop if he wanted him to sign it. Ryans buddies who were sitting on the curb, the 3 backup cops, and the shift commander broke out into laughter on the spot. The kid has not driven in that neighborhood since
quote:The cop says in front of everyone, he's an athlete. The shift commander is livid and Ryan knows he has an opening.
The cop asks Ryan to pull the breath tube out of the device, he does and then with the rz1 charm and smirk asks the cop if he wanted him to sign it.
Hehehe. You taught the boy well. He listens well, a great sense of humor and most importantly...knows when to use it.
A CTS with dark tinted windows in WI in the winter probably passes any probably cause rule up there, huh?
I drink on occasion, maybe 10 times a year, but I did when I was younger much more. I got drunk on a regular basis and drove. In those days, I never really thought about the consequences if I were in an accident and I never thought I was impaired. I now know that I was and that I was taking a terrible risk with mine and other people's lives. With what I know now, I would never drive while under the influence. In our state you can have one drink per hour and be under the limit and I see no reason to drink more than that if you plan to drive. With the stigma of getting a DUI or DWI, I don't see how anyone would take that chance. There really is no reason to do so. If you drink 3 beers the first hour you are drinking, just wait 2 extra hours before you leave if you want to drive home.
If you make $300,000 a year and you are Augie Garrido, TAKE A FREAKING CAB!!! No excuse! He should have the book thrown at him! If he was drunk in a bar, it would be a different story.
If you make $300,000 a year and you are Augie Garrido, TAKE A FREAKING CAB!!! No excuse! He should have the book thrown at him! If he was drunk in a bar, it would be a different story.
quote:If you make $300,000 a year and you are Augie Garrido, TAKE A FREAKING CAB!!! No excuse! He should have the book thrown at him! If he was drunk in a bar, it would be a different story.
$300k is his severance. He makes almost $1m per year.
quote:Originally posted by powertoallfields:
I drink on occasion, maybe 10 times a year, but I did when I was younger much more. I got drunk on a regular basis and drove. In those days, I never really thought about the consequences if I were in an accident and I never thought I was impaired.
why is Augie held in a different regard. The only difference he was caught you were not
In our state you can have one drink per hour and be under the limit and I see no reason to drink more than that if you plan to drive. With the stigma of getting a DUI or DWI, I don't see how anyone would take that chance. There really is no reason to do so. If you drink 3 beers the first hour you are drinking, just wait 2 extra hours before you leave if you want to drive home.
A big time misnomer. Drink potency, size of person, metabolism, diet, and otc/prescribed drugs all play a part in the formula
If you make $300,000 a year and you are Augie Garrido, TAKE A FREAKING CAB!!! No excuse! He should have the book thrown at him! If he was drunk in a bar, it would be a different story.
I can agree with that thought when all the facts are known and he is judged guilty. However that phrase "All men are created equal, it just that some are more equal than others" can also be used from Augies side also
quote:why is Augie held in a different regard. The only difference he was caught you were not
I was a dumb kid and had I been caught, they should have thrown the book at me too. They didn't have MADD back then, I'm 50 years old, but it probably wouldn't have made any difference to me then, I probably still would have done it. The difference is that NOW, being an Adult, I wouldn't put myself in that position. Someone in Augie's position, should know better. I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to drink, but there is no excuse for drinking and driving, IMO.
I agree with powertoallfields,
When we were young it was way different. Still wrong, and many of us did it. But to me drinking and driving is just not right for anyone. Come on lets stop making excuses for these sports figures.
What if he would of killed somebody that night? then how would we feel about it.Yes we all amke mistakes, but guess what else, we have to pay for them. Luckily he didnt ruin somebody elses life in the process.
When we were young it was way different. Still wrong, and many of us did it. But to me drinking and driving is just not right for anyone. Come on lets stop making excuses for these sports figures.
What if he would of killed somebody that night? then how would we feel about it.Yes we all amke mistakes, but guess what else, we have to pay for them. Luckily he didnt ruin somebody elses life in the process.
Like everything else in life, we are all different, and we all have different experiences. My responsibility as a parent is to handle my situation to the best of my ability and guide my child through a tough and exciting time in his life. (15-25 yo). Many new, exciting and dangerous avenues are introduced during this 10 year stretch. Hopefully he will come out the other end a mature and productive adult.
The most important thing IMO is that my wife and I are aware of what he is doing. Through communication and trust, hopefully, he can keep the mistakes to a minimum and we can help him navigate this journey successfully.
Baseball, to this point, certainly has helped. Occupying much of his time. But their still are a few hours left over for him to experiment.
The most important thing IMO is that my wife and I are aware of what he is doing. Through communication and trust, hopefully, he can keep the mistakes to a minimum and we can help him navigate this journey successfully.
Baseball, to this point, certainly has helped. Occupying much of his time. But their still are a few hours left over for him to experiment.
quote:Originally posted by fanofgame:
When we were young it was way different. Still wrong, and many of us did it.
The only difference is there were fewer flavors of beer, penalties were lighter, and gas was under a buck.
but to me drinking and driving is just not right for anyone.
Come on lets stop making excuses for these sports figures.
If it was your kids teacher would you have them give up teaching? If it was the hair dresser should she stop cutting hair? If it was your brother, would you dis-own him? Augies been caught and charged with due process. Before we throw the book at him and put him in pampered sports figure category let let the system work it coarse and see what shakes out. The other side of that "pampered athlete" is the "targeted athlete".
What if he would of killed somebody that night? then how would we feel about it.
He didn't and if he did I would feel different. The penalty fits the crime. The "What-if" mentality is very dangerous to use in the judicial system
quote:Seven attempts, .00 each time and then the shift commander drives up and asks why the 45 min pullover. The cop says in front of everyone, he's an athlete. The shift commander is livid and Ryan knows he has an opening.
The cop asks Ryan to pull the breath tube out of the device, he does and then with the rz1 charm and smirk asks the cop if he wanted him to sign it. Ryans buddies who were sitting on the curb, the 3 backup cops, and the shift commander broke out into laughter on the spot. The kid has not driven in that neighborhood since
Great story!
Being from Texas, I know all about the value of window tinting. Several years ago, when we drove our car with darkened windows up to Wisconsin to visit relatives, they asked if we were in the mafia.
Good post fillsfan 
Without sounding ridiculously philosophical isn't life one big experimental lab where we evolve, make good decisions, bad choices, and if we luck out we only contaminate other Petri dishes in a good way and if not we learn from those mistakes?
quote:Originally posted by fillsfan:
.......But their still are a few hours left over for him to experiment.
Without sounding ridiculously philosophical isn't life one big experimental lab where we evolve, make good decisions, bad choices, and if we luck out we only contaminate other Petri dishes in a good way and if not we learn from those mistakes?
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Without sounding ridiculously philosophical isn't life one big experimental lab where we evolve, make good decisions, bad choices, and if we luck out we only contaminate other Petri dishes in a good way and if not we learn from those mistakes?[/QUOTE]
rz1,
Without sounding ridiculously ignorant, if you mean what I think you mean, the answer is yes. 
I will add though that the luck is partially attributed to our and our childrens' efforts.
Without sounding ridiculously philosophical isn't life one big experimental lab where we evolve, make good decisions, bad choices, and if we luck out we only contaminate other Petri dishes in a good way and if not we learn from those mistakes?[/QUOTE]
rz1,
Without sounding ridiculously ignorant, if you mean what I think you mean, the answer is yes.
I will add though that the luck is partially attributed to our and our childrens' efforts.
quote:Originally posted by fillsfan:
rz1,
Without sounding ridiculously ignorant, if you mean what I think you mean, the answer is yes.
I will add though that the luck is partially attributed to our and our childrens' efforts.
No one said the lab was sterile
TPM
It is not baiting---it is stating fact--what gives you the right to make that statement? Do you know any of the people who you are posting to? Do you know what I or any other poster on here does with our children?
Why are you always right and nobody else is?
It is not baiting---it is stating fact--what gives you the right to make that statement? Do you know any of the people who you are posting to? Do you know what I or any other poster on here does with our children?
Why are you always right and nobody else is?