Hopefully you will give us your opinion Kerry? Are football workouts for my son going to create problems for him on the baseball field? If so,which lifts should be reconsidered or altered?
Thanks,Mobunts
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What is his position? That may help Kerry!
"I love the HSBBW"
"I love the HSBBW"
Good question Bighit,I should have added that. He is a quarterback/defensive end, catcher Pitcher.
Mobunts ,
There are a couple lifts that I would stay
away from . First of all , for the shoulders I
would have him try to substitute bent-over
raises in place of Military Press . The raises
will help strengthen the rear delts , which is
where most imbalances tend to come from . If
he can stay away from overhead lifts , it will
help decrease the chance of impingments in the
shoulder . Second of all , I would have him
do Front Pulldowns with a reverse narrow grip ,
pulling the bar down to the chin , in place of
Lat Pulldowns behind the head . If possible ,I
would have your son do the Incline Bench with
dumbbells , instead of the bar . The other
thing is , have your son be very careful when
doing Olympic lifts . I know that the coach
will want him to do them , all's I can say is
be careful ,
Good Luck ,
Kerry
There are a couple lifts that I would stay
away from . First of all , for the shoulders I
would have him try to substitute bent-over
raises in place of Military Press . The raises
will help strengthen the rear delts , which is
where most imbalances tend to come from . If
he can stay away from overhead lifts , it will
help decrease the chance of impingments in the
shoulder . Second of all , I would have him
do Front Pulldowns with a reverse narrow grip ,
pulling the bar down to the chin , in place of
Lat Pulldowns behind the head . If possible ,I
would have your son do the Incline Bench with
dumbbells , instead of the bar . The other
thing is , have your son be very careful when
doing Olympic lifts . I know that the coach
will want him to do them , all's I can say is
be careful ,
Good Luck ,
Kerry
Thanks Kerry,
Most of the terms that you use mean nothing to me. However,I have heard my son use them all,your suggestions will be on his desk this evening.
SMS coaches have already warned him about lifting his way out of their picture.I think that he heard them loud and clear. As a parent I'm not smart enough to suggest these things!
Thanks again
Most of the terms that you use mean nothing to me. However,I have heard my son use them all,your suggestions will be on his desk this evening.
SMS coaches have already warned him about lifting his way out of their picture.I think that he heard them loud and clear. As a parent I'm not smart enough to suggest these things!
Thanks again
Kerry,
This, too, relates to baseball/football workouts. My son, a committed Senior, is working hard 3 days a week with baseball specific program with core muscles, agilities, flexability, some speed work and ruuning. An excellent program, buts wants to get "bigger" too and works out with his football buddies at least 3 days a week ALSO. This program is football specific. He feels and looks great, but my concern is that he might be doing too much. I would love to hear your opinion. Some more info: middle infielder, 5'10, just hit 160 lbs., 17 yrs, 6.8/60yd.
This, too, relates to baseball/football workouts. My son, a committed Senior, is working hard 3 days a week with baseball specific program with core muscles, agilities, flexability, some speed work and ruuning. An excellent program, buts wants to get "bigger" too and works out with his football buddies at least 3 days a week ALSO. This program is football specific. He feels and looks great, but my concern is that he might be doing too much. I would love to hear your opinion. Some more info: middle infielder, 5'10, just hit 160 lbs., 17 yrs, 6.8/60yd.
Kerry,
If you should get the chance perhaps you can answer the following.. Pitching is my son's primary position (h.s. freshmen) and he likes to work out with a heavy bag (boxing). I'm am afraid (although not certain) such may be counter-productive for a baseball player, particularly a pitcher.
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
If you should get the chance perhaps you can answer the following.. Pitching is my son's primary position (h.s. freshmen) and he likes to work out with a heavy bag (boxing). I'm am afraid (although not certain) such may be counter-productive for a baseball player, particularly a pitcher.
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
bbmama ,
I appreciate the fact that your son is a
hard worker and whats to be the best that he can
be , but at the same time he must remember that
baseball and football workouts have some big
differences . He can get very strong and put on
the desired weight , but he must be sure that he
isn't building any imbalances , and that he is
stretching before and after each lifting session
even if his partners do not understand the
importance of it. The university should be able
to provide him with a program , if he signed
during the early period , or he can call his
future Strength Coach to get his opinion and
ideas . But my biggest suggestion to your son
would be , do a baseball specific workout 4-6
days a week (time permitting) and he should be
on his way to reaching his goals ,
Good Luck ,
Kerry
I appreciate the fact that your son is a
hard worker and whats to be the best that he can
be , but at the same time he must remember that
baseball and football workouts have some big
differences . He can get very strong and put on
the desired weight , but he must be sure that he
isn't building any imbalances , and that he is
stretching before and after each lifting session
even if his partners do not understand the
importance of it. The university should be able
to provide him with a program , if he signed
during the early period , or he can call his
future Strength Coach to get his opinion and
ideas . But my biggest suggestion to your son
would be , do a baseball specific workout 4-6
days a week (time permitting) and he should be
on his way to reaching his goals ,
Good Luck ,
Kerry
CLD ,
I'm sorry but I'm not going to be much help
with your question . All that I can say is that
if he is doing it for performance enhancement
as a pitcher , I don't think that it will lead
to any real benefit or gains . As for it being
counter-productive , unless it bothers his
wrists , elbows , or shoulders I don't see that
it can harm or his performance . But to be very
honest with you , I would rather my son do a
physical activity then sitting around the house
playing playstation or watching TV . I'm sorry
that I didn't have a more scientific answer ,
Best Wishes ,
Kerry
I'm sorry but I'm not going to be much help
with your question . All that I can say is that
if he is doing it for performance enhancement
as a pitcher , I don't think that it will lead
to any real benefit or gains . As for it being
counter-productive , unless it bothers his
wrists , elbows , or shoulders I don't see that
it can harm or his performance . But to be very
honest with you , I would rather my son do a
physical activity then sitting around the house
playing playstation or watching TV . I'm sorry
that I didn't have a more scientific answer ,
Best Wishes ,
Kerry
Kerry, Thanks for taking the time to respond. He is very active with his baseball workouts and enjoys running both distance and sprints...but should he have some free time during the course of the day to go to his room he'll work the heavy bag as he listens to music. He doesn't do it for any particular benefit to pitching. I was only concerned that it may have been detrimental for a pitcher in building arm mass or perhaps even working the wrong muscle groups. Wasn't sure but thanks anyway.
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
Kerry,
Thank you for your time. He is seeing great results with his baseball specific workouts, especially the plyometrics. Thank you for your expert opinion. This is a great addition to an already great website!!
Thank you for your time. He is seeing great results with his baseball specific workouts, especially the plyometrics. Thank you for your expert opinion. This is a great addition to an already great website!!
bbmama, if your son is lifting weights 6 days a week, chances are he is overtraining and will actually be working against his goals of getting bigger. I started growing the most when I decreased my volume drastically.
The future ain't what it used to be.
The future ain't what it used to be.
Remember here I'm not the professor. Lifting weights breaks muscles down,so I am told. The off days allows new muscle fiber to start growing. Results more muscle.
I would think six or seven day workouts would be better suited for a body builder. Keep in mind here I build baseball fields for a living.
I would think six or seven day workouts would be better suited for a body builder. Keep in mind here I build baseball fields for a living.
Mobounts,
I believe that you can set up a workout schedule that is diverse enough to not use the same muscles over and over. Using the same muscles every time creates imbalances. A good program will vary the exercises and give muscles a chance to rest. This should still allow 6 days a week.
Kerry could probably be more specific than I can.
Florida Bombers
"I love the HSBBW"
I believe that you can set up a workout schedule that is diverse enough to not use the same muscles over and over. Using the same muscles every time creates imbalances. A good program will vary the exercises and give muscles a chance to rest. This should still allow 6 days a week.
Kerry could probably be more specific than I can.
Florida Bombers
"I love the HSBBW"
Bighit
It will be interesting to see what Kerry has to say about this issue.
I only use the word issue because it has been one in our house over the years. My 01 and now my 05 both truly like getting in the weight room,if they would have had their way it would have been everyday. Their football coaches would never allow it.
You have to commend the kid willing to put in the time on the weights on his own, there are several that have to be dragged in to get their work done.
It will be interesting to see what Kerry has to say about this issue.
I only use the word issue because it has been one in our house over the years. My 01 and now my 05 both truly like getting in the weight room,if they would have had their way it would have been everyday. Their football coaches would never allow it.
You have to commend the kid willing to put in the time on the weights on his own, there are several that have to be dragged in to get their work done.
Allow me to throw in what I have learned...
My son wanted to get on a weight training program in order to get stronger and generally more physically fit...
Through a friend that works in the fitness profession, he was given a program that required that he work out maybe six times per week...
The difference is this...
What I used to do back when dinosaurs roamed was to work every muscle in one session, rest a day, then repeat...
My son works specific muscle groups each day (I thinks its chest / tris, back / bis, shoulders / legs) so that he spends no more than an hour's worth of time per session. I guess targeting is the more common practice nowadays. In esence he's "resting" those muscles worked the day before by targeting the new muscle group on the current day.
We've consulted and heard from a few knowledgable individuals and this seems to be the more popular method now, provided a person has that one hour a day.
He's in so much better shape now that the method has proven itself.
Almost forgot...His diet was changed drastically in order to prepare his body for the physical demands!!...Don't forget to feed the body properly for it to benefit from your hard work...
- O
My son wanted to get on a weight training program in order to get stronger and generally more physically fit...
Through a friend that works in the fitness profession, he was given a program that required that he work out maybe six times per week...
The difference is this...
What I used to do back when dinosaurs roamed was to work every muscle in one session, rest a day, then repeat...
My son works specific muscle groups each day (I thinks its chest / tris, back / bis, shoulders / legs) so that he spends no more than an hour's worth of time per session. I guess targeting is the more common practice nowadays. In esence he's "resting" those muscles worked the day before by targeting the new muscle group on the current day.
We've consulted and heard from a few knowledgable individuals and this seems to be the more popular method now, provided a person has that one hour a day.
He's in so much better shape now that the method has proven itself.
Almost forgot...His diet was changed drastically in order to prepare his body for the physical demands!!...Don't forget to feed the body properly for it to benefit from your hard work...
- O
Bighit and Bad O
It sounds like I may be the one who is the dinosaur. What you are saying makes sense to me.
I will run this at my son, and quickly be reminded of just how far back in the stone age I'm living.
Someone said on here that you should acossiate with those who will make you better.
It's working!
It sounds like I may be the one who is the dinosaur. What you are saying makes sense to me.
I will run this at my son, and quickly be reminded of just how far back in the stone age I'm living.
Someone said on here that you should acossiate with those who will make you better.
It's working!
Bighit15 ,
You are very accurate in your statements .
I have my guys lift 6 days a week . On Monday,
Wednesday,Friday we will do upperbody and
shoulder work . Then on Tuesday,Thursday,and
Saturday we will do lowerbody and hip rotation
work . This way we can isolate certain body-
parts , without overtraining .
Best Wishes ,
Kerry
You are very accurate in your statements .
I have my guys lift 6 days a week . On Monday,
Wednesday,Friday we will do upperbody and
shoulder work . Then on Tuesday,Thursday,and
Saturday we will do lowerbody and hip rotation
work . This way we can isolate certain body-
parts , without overtraining .
Best Wishes ,
Kerry
JWoah
Thanks - I think from what Kerry and all of you have said here that he is OK because he works different muscle groups every day. And core muscless every MWF.
Hey - see you are from Randolph. Always a good program there. Good luck with your season and have a fabulous senior year!!
Thanks - I think from what Kerry and all of you have said here that he is OK because he works different muscle groups every day. And core muscless every MWF.
Hey - see you are from Randolph. Always a good program there. Good luck with your season and have a fabulous senior year!!