Game ending HR!!!

That is awesome and congrats to JR.

What level of ball is this? Just curious because not too many levels allow you to bowl over the catcher without being tossed anymore.

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Originally posted by coach2709:
That is awesome and congrats to JR.

What level of ball is this? Just curious because not too many levels allow you to bowl over the catcher without being tossed anymore.

13U - Middle School Game

Too be honest, I could not believe that he was not tossed from the game. I told my wife.."he is done" but the ump patted him on the back and said "nice play"

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ending with Jr. lowering his shoulder and running over the opposing catcher who dropped the ball. (being a RB in football helped!)

Hows the catcher?

Uhhhh...he bowled over the catcher? How did he not get tossed?

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Originally posted by redbird5:
Uhhhh...he bowled over the catcher? How did he not get tossed?

Don't know.

In our high school league if you pull a stunt like that you are ejected. Way to be proud of your kid, Dad.

Congrats on the win at any cost dad!

(Can you tell my son's a catcher???)

So, maybe not in the next AB, but later, maybe even the next game, and he gets one in the ear, just remember your son bowled the catcher over.

Being a catcher and calling the pitches helps.

Let me know if he's OK.

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"I dunno Doc...I'm pretty sure it was a baseball. Can you see it? Is my name on it? The pitcher said it had my name on it."




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Originally posted by batdad25:
Don't know.

I have personally ejected my own player after that happening. I also made him go over during the middle of the game to apologize to the coach and the player. It is wrong.

I am all for hard clean slides to break up a DP or to take someone out who is standing in the baseline to block the bag (or plate). We pride ourselves for playing the game hard, but I do not support plowing a catcher who is defenseless. I would expect my team to get really ticked if our catcher were plowed. The next batter would get one in the ribs to let them know how bush league that is. That is not my direction but that of my players who understand how the game should and shouldn't be played.

If my son personally plowed a catcher (which he wouldn't because he is a catcher), I would demand that he apologize to the kid and coach.

I am not only a coach but played at a fairly high level and have the scars on my shins, ankles, knees to prove it. Right is right. Just my 2 cents.

batdad25,

Wheres the rest of your original post?
The part where you said you stood back and " let your son enjoy the accolades,...after all you just drove him there.... "
Then I believe you wrote a " LOL " and a " Way to go " A"!!! " ,...something like that.

Have you gone back and re-edited your original post?

Mine is a C. He got bowled over this weekend pretty good. Run scored, nothing happened to the runner, though. Son just got up and while glaring (sort of a polite glare) at the runner who trotted back to his dug out, dusted himself off, walked around the plate, and got back to the game, which he finished in style and grace. Team lost, but he stayed up and did all he could. Not sure calling close pitches would be the best way to go either though - don't think two wrongs make a right, but just my 2 cents, too. I think he thought his glare might send the message. Don't know. I do know he does not get knocked over too often, cuz he's a pretty big guy, so this was rare.

Oh, and PS, if my memory is correct, I think the kid that knocked mine down was the other team's catcher (if I am remembering correctly).

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Cleared the bases with the play at the plate ending with Jr. lowering his shoulder and running over the opposing catcher who dropped the ball. (being a RB in football helped!).

Middle school under fed rules........I have an out, game over........and an ejection of Jr for malicious contact.....

leave the football analogy on the gridiron where it belongs..........

This has no place in NFHS baseball.....lets re title your post to "game ending cheap shot"...........or as many would call it

"Umpire mistake allows cheap shot to steal win from team".........

That umpire needs a refresher course in NFHS rules....

Just my .02 of course.....

Player's have a long memory when it comes to this kind of stuff (playing the "right way"). Players lose the respect of their peers doing this kind of stuff.

You might say "so what" the player doesn't care if the opposition respects him or not. Well, it's a small world and a player may never know when an opportunity has passed him by because he failed do the "right thing" or play the "respectful way" at an earlier point in time.

Coaches often ask about players all the time. A college coach asked my son about a pitcher and my son told him "he has good stuff and is obviously successful, but for some reason I am not sold on him"...........

Hey you never know , the next time he tries something like that he may end up on the other side of the collision. If he gets a face full of catchers mask and shoulder and gets his teeth knocked out and flat out knocked out are you still going to be proud of him?

What goes around comes around. Keep on trying that stuff and sooner or later he is going to try and run over the wrong guy. It wont be so cool then will it?

I have to agree with the majority about bowling over the catcher, with a caveat.

It is NOT OK to intentionally collide at the plate or any other base, but we also need to realize that he didn't add whether the catcher was up the line, just caught the ball as impact was about to occur or other details. Yes, malicious contact is grounds for ejection and players are to avoid contact whenever practical, but we experience a few plays every summer, on both sides, where there are collisions at the plate which are usually inadvertant with no intentional harm inflicted.

We had a play in a game two summers ago that illustrates this well. We were playing the East Cobb Patriots, who flew out to play some of northern CAs Connie Mack teams. It was a play at the plate on a basehit to the outfield, my runner attempting to score from second. The throw was a bit up the line and the catcher was moving up the line to catch the throw. Just as my 6'4"/225 lb. baserunner began his slide, he hit the catcher who was a good 6 or 7' up the line and had just caught the ball at about the time of contact. The poor catcher got knocked back clear across the plate, doing a backwards somersault. The umpire called my runner safe, and immediately called out that contact was unintentional. It was just two players going full speed to make a play, and they came into each other without intent. The catcher had to leave the game after a couple more batters, and the boys talked after the game. They shook hands and agreed that it was just one of those things that happens in a game being played at full speed.

This may have been a different situation above, but the dad doesn't really tell us enough to know. If it was intentional, he should have been out, game over and ejected.

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This may have been a different situation above, but the dad doesn't really tell us enough to know.

Part of the original post from batdad25 is missing. It seemed to happen after several posters commented.

Not sure if he edited himself, or if someone else did,..or if it just mysteriously went poof up in smoke.

Maybe he'll come back and re-tell us the missing parts.

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Originally posted by Coach May:
...If he gets a face full of catchers mask and shoulder and gets his teeth knocked out and flat out knocked out are you still going to be proud of him?

Coach,

My son was absolutely plowed when he was 12 by a kid down your way. He was looking for the ball while giving the kid a lane to slide in when he was levelled by a kid all of 5'10" 130+ lbs. After the ejection, the other coach was screaming mad that "that is part of the game". The kid even stood over our C and talked trash. The umpire did the right thing and ejected the kid. After I peeled my son off the backstop, he finished the game. Luckily, we taught him to keep his mask on on plays at the plate and his teeth were in tact.

Fast forward two weeks...we play the same team. First AB for Big Kid was a FB in the ribs. My pitcher had a memory like an elephant. Then, he picks off 5 times in a row to 1B. My 1B slaps 5 hard tags on the kid. Eventually, he works his way around the bases and tries to score on a base hit. The CF hosed him by 3-4 feet and our C lowers his shoulder and glove (and elbows and shinguards and mask). After the pileup, the big kid was stopped 2 feet short of the plate. The big kid had come in with his cleats high and spiked our catcher in the thigh (lucky they were plastic). Big Kid laid there crying because he had a bloody nose and lip while our C routinely flipped the ball back to the SAME umpire who ejected Big Kid two weeks prior. The ump walked to our dugout to get a drink of water between innings and quietly told our C "Great job, five".

What goes 'round usually comes around

While I don't support plowing the catcher, as coaches we have a responsibility to teach the kids that baseball is not to be played as seen on ESPN.

Back when my son was a 14, a kid who had not played a lot of baseball plowed my catcher. Just laid him out. I flew out of the dugout to see if my catcher was ok (which he was) and the ump threw the kid out before I could get to home plate.

Since he was tossed from the game, he was also suspended for another two games... and decided not to come back.

When asked about it, he said it was what he had seen on TV the night before and thought it was what he was supposed to do in that situation.

While not related to this story, unfortunately, he died in a car accident two years later, driving off the Big Sur cliffs, killing himself as well as another boy.

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batdad won't be back.

did he go back to Cali?

I certainly hope that batdad25 will be back. He got a strong message from everyone here and his son will benefit from learning from that message.

batdad25 isn't unlike most newer members to this site...there is a lot of good information offered and a lot to be learned. I think he will be back...a little wiser...in a much better position to help his son. In the end the game of baseball will be the better for it.

Jump back in batdad25...I look forward to hearing from you. Your son needs to grow from the collective wisdom found on this site!

Hey Shortstopmom. Relax. That portion of my post meant nothing. Stop reading into something that was not there. Your Reaching.

Sorry, but it was an exciting game and if ONE play has the catcher getting run over (I do believe this has happened at the very least - THOUSANDS of times in the past) so be it. It is baseball. They smiled and shook hands at the end of the game. The catcher had a pair (a lesson that a 13 year old kid could teach several on here).

Reading some of your posts makes me realize, that yes.. The "wussification" of American players is in full effect. WOW..., Funny Stuff!!!

Forgive me for not responding sooner... My life got in the way!

Hey SoutherNo1.. Great Post!

I can see that batdad is going to benefit greatly from all the wisdom on this site.

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Originally posted by HitaHomer1:
I can see that batdad is going to benefit greatly from all the wisdom on this site.

That's 1!!!

Hey batdad25,

If that portion of your post meant nothing,..then WHERE is it???
Did you delete it, and if you did WHY?

I'm not reading into anything. I'm not reaching either.
I'm looking for your original post and wondering why only portions of it now exist?

If it meant nothing & was harmless why take it out?

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
Hey batdad25,

If that portion meant nothing,..then WHERE is it???
Did you delete it, and if you did why?

If it meant nothing & was harmless why take it out?

LOL!!! Oh boy! Ok... Good Job, nice work "A" Ump had no problem with the play so he told him "nice play" Or something like that.

Happy? BTW - Are you on this site all day long?

Batdad25,

I have a problem with posters who come on the HSBBW, make a statement,....then when others respond to them in a not-so-agreeing fashion, the original poster goes back and changes/edits his original post without letting anyone know he/she is doing so.

This causes confusion to posters that are just coming into the thread and also in my mind, sets up a false interpretaton of how or why the others responded the way that they did.

To me that is dishonest on the original poster's behalf.

I have asked you several times as to WHY there are portions of your original post missing. Thought perhaps you may have had a logical answer.

You said the umpire did not throw your son out.
Just because someone gets away with something, doesnt mean it's right. JMHO.

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
Batdad25,

I have a problem with posters who come on the HSBBW, make a statement,....then when others respond to them in a not so agreeing fashion, the original poster goes back and changes/edits his original post without letting anyone know he/she is doing so.

This causes confusion to posters that are just coming into the thread and also in my mind, sets up a false interpretaton of how or why the others responded the way that they did.

To me that is dishonest on the original posters behalf.

I have asked you several times as to WHY there are portions of your original post missing. Thought perhaps you may have had a logical answer.

Ok... My original post pertained to a play at the plate during 1 of MANY games throughout the year. 99% of the post responded to that play. You responded to a portion that meant NOTHING. Seeing this, I modified my post (i.e. took back what I said). You were the only one who had an issue with this. Reading some of your previous posts, I have come to realize that you really have nothing to add in helping people with their sons baseball career. You merely respond with obvious posts that are more or less common sense to everyone but yourself.

Sorry, this is just my opinion.

I'm glad you're back batdad25.

I think this thread has run it's course.

All of the viewpoints that needed to be aired have been...time to move onto something old...or something new...or something borrowed...or something blue.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
I'm glad you're back batdad25.

I think this thread has run it's course.

All of the viewpoints that needed to be aired have been...time to move onto something old...or something new...or something borrowed...or something blue.

Your right!. My son played his tail off, watched a MLB game the night before and brought what he learned to the game. That's all. I WILL NEVER fault him for his intensity! After all... He is only 13!

Batdad25,

You are welcome to your opinion.

But for future reference, it would be helpful if when you modify or edit your post ( ie: took back what you said ) that you make note of it publically, that way the integrity of the thread stays true.
And for the record, don't kid yourself.
I am not the only one who had issue with it.

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
Batdad25,

You are welcome to your opinion.

But for future reference, it would be helpful if when you modify or edit your post ( ie: took back what you said ) that you make note of it publically, that way the integrity of the thread stays true.
And for the record, don't kid yourself.
I am not the only one who had issue with it.

Could have fooled me!