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My son's HS coach has started timing the kids getting on and off the field. The have 12 seconds to get off the field or they run after the game. The other day they had to run for being 1 second too long.

To me this is ridiculous the kids are now so focused on trying to avoid this that it seems it is all that they are focusing on. They have now lost 8 games in a row since starting this policy.

They weren't taking forever before this and were playing really well. Now they play like ****. Opinions?
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Maybe this guy is clueless but I will say I've done this myself. Reason I did it is I had a lot of guys who were pretty lazy and thought they were bigger than the game. So this was basically a last chance before I started benching people and I told them that. Things changed and it worked.

I can understand being frustrated at the losing but if this is truly the reason for them losing then they got bigger problems.
Nothing wrong with this. The best coach any of my boys had made the team practice running on and off the field at the beginning of the season. I felt it instilled discipline and made the team stand out from other teams that, in comparison, lazily went on and off the field.

When the team was at its best they exploded out of the dugout within 3-5 seconds of the last out, with players always picking up the last batter, on deck, and whoever was on base.

Some kids, including my son, continued this practice throughout the season after many of the other kids slowed down as the coaches enforced it less.

Let your kid be the first to his position and the first one in the dugout and see how much he'll get noticed just for his hustle.

I tell my kids that, on their best day of baseball they might run close to full speed for only 40-60 seconds. Running in and out of the dugout is good practice and good for speed training.
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I have a five and 10 rule and always have. Infielders have 5 seconds to get on and off and outfielders have 10. You bust on the field and you bust off the field.

If I catch my guys not getting on and off like they should then we practice it and everyone gets to play the role as the rf a few times since we occupy the 3rd base dug out.

If a certain player cant figure it out I simply take him out of the game and he can rest over there since he is too tired to bust on and off.

Its a mind set your creating with your team. Its just something you do. If the other team wants to walk on and off thats fine.

If anyone is trying to blame a loss on having to bust on and off the field they are simply clueless about the game of baseball.
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On the same note.

My son was about 13 and he was playing a game on a saturday afternoon. As i watched the game i noticed both teams walked on and off the field. He had a particularly good day, a couple of hits etc etc. He was sort of boasting about it a little on the ride home. I pulled to the side of the road. i said he played well but the next time he walked on the field he could walk home.

From then on he was the first one on and off. this continued through high school and college.
Running on and off the field does nothing to improve a player or team. In that regard it is a meaningless act.

I would accept that as part of an overall approach to the game that includes hustle and being fully prepared that it has value.

In other words it is the stuff you never see that is happening on practice fields and gyms that determines how good a player is. Getting him to hustle rounds them out as complete players.
Its a mindset your creating for your team and players. Its not just getting on and off the field. Its getting to the cage, drills, etc with a purpose. With the same type of energy and sense of urgency that you are going to display once you get there. So your ready to compete at a high level, your ready to go all out to win, but then all of a sudden when the inning is over your going to walk on or off the field? If a player doesn't have enough energy to bust on and off he doesn't have enough energy to bust during the inning.

Walking on and off the field is simply lazy. Its reeks of disrespect for the game. It takes away from the time that can be spent preparing for the inning your about to play. On the offensive side instead of being in the dugout getting a read on the opposing pitcher your still walking to the dugout while he is warming up. Instead of being in the on deck circle your just getting back to the dugout. Instead of already taking a ground ball and throwing it back to first your just getting to your position.

Our players will not walk on the baseball field period. In practice or a game. There is no difference to me. If a player is too lazy to run on and off a baseball field they are too lazy to play the game. Ask an umpire what they think of teams who walk on and off a field. Ask a college coach. Ask a professional scout.
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Ask a college coach. Ask a professional scout.


My high school coach talked about one of his former players. He was a decent ballplayer, but not a stud. He ended up spending four or five years in minor league baseball and in a couple of independent leagues.

The only reason he got noticed by a pro scout? The way he busted his @SS during warm ups before a game. The scout was there to see the opposing pitcher. He walked up to our coach after infield to get the player's name.

Hustle or sit in the stands-- Your choice.
Great post Bulldog. You know there are many things you can do that have nothing to do with talent that will allow you to stand out. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a positive way. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a negative way. Imagine playing on a team that walks on and off the field. Imagine your playing a team that busts on and off the field. Imagine a scout and some college coaches there to take in the game. Now imagine which team you wish you played on?

There are so many ways to stand out without it having to take one bit more talent. Showing up dressed like a ball player. Wearing your uniform in a manner that shows respect for the game. Personal appearance. Clean shave. Neat hair cut. Clean shoes. Body language. Carrying yourself with confidence. Getting everywhere you go with a purpose. Pre game. Not going through the motions but preparing for the game. Stretching properly. Warming up properly. Infield - Fielding and throwing like it was an actual game situation. You know practicing the way you expect to play the game. Striking out and keeping control of your emotions and not being a negative for your team and the guy passing you on the way to the plate. Not taking a negative attitude with you to the field because you had a bad at bat. Picking up your team mates even though you are not having a good day. Showing the same abiltiy to control your emotions even when you are having a good day.

Someone could watch you play when your 0-4 and 4-4 and not be capable of telling the difference. Someone could watch you play when your down 10-0 or up 10-0 and not be able to tell the difference. You run everything out no matter what the situation is because thats how you play the game. Not because anyone is watching or no one is watching because thats how you play the game.

I could go on for days on ways a player speaks to those watching that matters without saying a word. How he tells those that are watching that have a clue what he is about by never saying a word. As a coach I never tell a player to hustle. Never. If he has to be told to hustle I have failed and the player is not a player. If you have to tell a player to get on and off the field then he has never been taught some very basic rules of the game. There are some baseball character issues in play here.

People can say your too slow. People can say you don't throw hard enough. People can say your not a great hitter. People can say you have a weak glove. But no one should ever be able to say you dont get after it. That is something you have 100% control over. And if you can not take 100% control over the things you can control your in a heap of trouble once you add in the things you can not.

Your team may be more talented than my team. I have absolutely 0 control over that. Once we reach the field to play my team is as good as they can be for that day. But - We can get after it harder than you. We can approach the game with more sense of urgency than you. We can want it more than you. We can be more sound in the bunt game than you. We can be more sound in the cut game than you. We can produce more quality at bats than you. We can run the bases smarter than you. We can hold runners better than you. We can put ourselves in a position to keep a single a single, a double a double , a triple a triple by busting our butt better than you. We can defend the 1st and 3rd better than you. We can compete harder than you. We can be more mentally tough than you. We can be better at everything we can control than you can be. And we can beat you even though you are more talented than we are.

So as your walking on the field and walking off the field we will be busting our a** getting on it and off it. We will be in complete control of everything we can control. And when your standing in center field getting ripped by your coach for losing to a team that you are more talented than think about what just happened. And enjoy your fresh legs on the ride back home after getting your a** whipped by a bunch of country boys that had no business beating that a**.

And just imagine the butt whooping your going to take when we are more talented than you and we still do everything else better than you? Go hard or go home. Or play for the other team.
Coach May has some of the best post anywhere. My team is not quite where I want them to be because I am trying to change the mentality of the program that I took over in 2010. We are many miles down the road from when I started the job and Coach Mays' post is the exact mentality I have been trying to get my guys to adopt.

Sometimes as a coach we all run into those parents that make us question our dedication to our profession and why we put so much into it when all they do is demean us. It is because of these types of post that we know our hard work and dedication to coaching is worth it.

Coach May I have seen the transformation of my program in two years, attitude wise, to one that is like you speak of. And again it is because of your comments that I know what I am trying to accomplish can be accomplished and will be worth it.
They are not losing because they cannot get on/off field ontime. It's not that bad of a rule. What the cach says goes. How many errors are they having per game? How's hitting? Are the pitchers in a slump? This is why they are losing, not a timed drill. Sounds like he felt there needed to be more discipline. Just wondering, are there issues with your kids teachers and how they do things, or is it just this coach?
I'm not intrinsically against the 12 second rule but I think that any rule should be based on hustle, not on an arbitrary number.

Some guys can get on the field in less than five seconds, others probably take the full 12. I would rip into the guy slugging his way out to an infield position a lot more quickly than I would some outfielder who shows hustle but may miss his time occasionally.
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Originally posted by Coach_May:
Great post Bulldog. You know there are many things you can do that have nothing to do with talent that will allow you to stand out. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a positive way. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a negative way. Imagine playing on a team that walks on and off the field. Imagine your playing a team that busts on and off the field. Imagine a scout and some college coaches there to take in the game. Now imagine which team you wish you played on?

There are so many ways to stand out without it having to take one bit more talent. Showing up dressed like a ball player. Wearing your uniform in a manner that shows respect for the game. Personal appearance. Clean shave. Neat hair cut. Clean shoes. Body language. Carrying yourself with confidence. Getting everywhere you go with a purpose. Pre game. Not going through the motions but preparing for the game. Stretching properly. Warming up properly. Infield - Fielding and throwing like it was an actual game situation. You know practicing the way you expect to play the game. Striking out and keeping control of your emotions and not being a negative for your team and the guy passing you on the way to the plate. Not taking a negative attitude with you to the field because you had a bad at bat. Picking up your team mates even though you are not having a good day. Showing the same abiltiy to control your emotions even when you are having a good day.

Someone could watch you play when your 0-4 and 4-4 and not be capable of telling the difference. Someone could watch you play when your down 10-0 or up 10-0 and not be able to tell the difference. You run everything out no matter what the situation is because thats how you play the game. Not because anyone is watching or no one is watching because thats how you play the game.

I could go on for days on ways a player speaks to those watching that matters without saying a word. How he tells those that are watching that have a clue what he is about by never saying a word. As a coach I never tell a player to hustle. Never. If he has to be told to hustle I have failed and the player is not a player. If you have to tell a player to get on and off the field then he has never been taught some very basic rules of the game. There are some baseball character issues in play here.

People can say your too slow. People can say you don't throw hard enough. People can say your not a great hitter. People can say you have a weak glove. But no one should ever be able to say you dont get after it. That is something you have 100% control over. And if you can not take 100% control over the things you can control your in a heap of trouble once you add in the things you can not.

Your team may be more talented than my team. I have absolutely 0 control over that. Once we reach the field to play my team is as good as they can be for that day. But - We can get after it harder than you. We can approach the game with more sense of urgency than you. We can want it more than you. We can be more sound in the bunt game than you. We can be more sound in the cut game than you. We can produce more quality at bats than you. We can run the bases smarter than you. We can hold runners better than you. We can put ourselves in a position to keep a single a single, a double a double , a triple a triple by busting our butt better than you. We can defend the 1st and 3rd better than you. We can compete harder than you. We can be more mentally tough than you. We can be better at everything we can control than you can be. And we can beat you even though you are more talented than we are.

So as your walking on the field and walking off the field we will be busting our a** getting on it and off it. We will be in complete control of everything we can control. And when your standing in center field getting ripped by your coach for losing to a team that you are more talented than think about what just happened. And enjoy your fresh legs on the ride back home after getting your a** whipped by a bunch of country boys that had no business beating that a**.

And just imagine the butt whooping your going to take when we are more talented than you and we still do everything else better than you? Go hard or go home. Or play for the other team.


Maybe the best post ever!!!!!!!!
I’d never thought about it much, but after reading all the posts, I’m wondering why I haven’t seen all the world class sprinters playing baseball that you guys seem to have seen. Let me define a world class sprinter as someone who can run 100 yards on a track, dressed in shorts, wearing track spikes, and using starting blocks in 10 seconds or less.

The reason I’m questioning it, is because much of the time after an inning is over, there are at least 2 players more than 100yds from the dugout, and they’re running in grass normally 3-6” deep, in a baseball uniform, and wearing baseball spikes. Even with an extra 2 seconds, it sure seems to me as though there’s gonna be players running at full tilt, and to be honest, I’ve never seen that. I’ve seen players hustle, which I’m all for, but running full out 100yd sprints 6 or 7 times every game seems a bit like looking for problems. Wink
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I try and make it a race of sorts. I tell my players that they have to beat the other team on and off the field. I applaud them when my OF are in the dugout while the other teams base runners are still on the field. I don’t time them... I can tell when they are not hustling, and so can they when the time for substitution comes around Wink.

Outstanding post by Coach May!
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Originally posted by bballdad2016:
I try and make it a race of sorts. I tell my players that they have to beat the other team on and off the field. I applaud them when my OF are in the dugout while the other teams base runners are still on the field. I don’t time them... I can tell when they are not hustling, and so can they when the time for substitution comes around Wink.


As much as I love stats, I believe your approach makes much more sense than standing there with a stopwatch, timing players getting on and off the field. No one’s ever gonna get a ‘ship or a contract because of how fast he gets on or off the field. However, when push comes to shove and there is something needed to make final pick between players who are otherwise pretty equal, the fact that one player was constantly hustling on and off better than the other players, will make a difference.

Also, by making sure the players know what’s acceptable and what isn’t, it becomes a way to implant a positive message.
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Originally posted by Stats4Gnats:
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Originally posted by coach2709:
Well you do it your way and we'll do it ours. Problem solved.


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I'm not super eloquant when it comes to putting my thoughts on "paper" so to speak. I post things in here and when I read over it it seems like a train wreck instead of a coherent thought. So I'm going to quote a couple of posts in this thread to explain what it is your missing.

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Originally posted by BillBill;

Nothing wrong with this. The best coach any of my boys had made the team practice running on and off the field at the beginning of the season. I felt it instilled discipline and made the team stand out from other teams that, in comparison, lazily went on and off the field.

When the team was at its best they exploded out of the dugout within 3-5 seconds of the last out, with players always picking up the last batter, on deck, and whoever was on base.

Some kids, including my son, continued this practice throughout the season after many of the other kids slowed down as the coaches enforced it less.

Let your kid be the first to his position and the first one in the dugout and see how much he'll get noticed just for his hustle.

I tell my kids that, on their best day of baseball they might run close to full speed for only 40-60 seconds. Running in and out of the dugout is good practice and good for speed training.


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Originally posted by IESBL;
I agree there is no problem at all. We go on the field in 12 and off the field in 9. We do take into account the type of play and understand when a RF can not get off the field in 9 seconds. I.E. I just ran down a ball in the right center alley 380 feet away and now I have to get into the dug out.


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Originally posted by Coach_May;
Its a mindset your creating for your team and players. Its not just getting on and off the field. Its getting to the cage, drills, etc with a purpose. With the same type of energy and sense of urgency that you are going to display once you get there. So your ready to compete at a high level, your ready to go all out to win, but then all of a sudden when the inning is over your going to walk on or off the field? If a player doesn't have enough energy to bust on and off he doesn't have enough energy to bust during the inning.

Walking on and off the field is simply lazy. Its reeks of disrespect for the game. It takes away from the time that can be spent preparing for the inning your about to play. On the offensive side instead of being in the dugout getting a read on the opposing pitcher your still walking to the dugout while he is warming up. Instead of being in the on deck circle your just getting back to the dugout. Instead of already taking a ground ball and throwing it back to first your just getting to your position.

Our players will not walk on the baseball field period. In practice or a game. There is no difference to me. If a player is too lazy to run on and off a baseball field they are too lazy to play the game. Ask an umpire what they think of teams who walk on and off a field. Ask a college coach. Ask a professional scout.


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Originally posted by Bulldog 19
My high school coach talked about one of his former players. He was a decent ballplayer, but not a stud. He ended up spending four or five years in minor league baseball and in a couple of independent leagues.

The only reason he got noticed by a pro scout? The way he busted his @SS during warm ups before a game. The scout was there to see the opposing pitcher. He walked up to our coach after infield to get the player's name.

Hustle or sit in the stands-- Your choice.


And then this gem....

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Originally posted by Coach_May;
Great post Bulldog. You know there are many things you can do that have nothing to do with talent that will allow you to stand out. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a positive way. Some of them will allow you to stand out in a negative way. Imagine playing on a team that walks on and off the field. Imagine your playing a team that busts on and off the field. Imagine a scout and some college coaches there to take in the game. Now imagine which team you wish you played on?

There are so many ways to stand out without it having to take one bit more talent. Showing up dressed like a ball player. Wearing your uniform in a manner that shows respect for the game. Personal appearance. Clean shave. Neat hair cut. Clean shoes. Body language. Carrying yourself with confidence. Getting everywhere you go with a purpose. Pre game. Not going through the motions but preparing for the game. Stretching properly. Warming up properly. Infield - Fielding and throwing like it was an actual game situation. You know practicing the way you expect to play the game. Striking out and keeping control of your emotions and not being a negative for your team and the guy passing you on the way to the plate. Not taking a negative attitude with you to the field because you had a bad at bat. Picking up your team mates even though you are not having a good day. Showing the same abiltiy to control your emotions even when you are having a good day.

Someone could watch you play when your 0-4 and 4-4 and not be capable of telling the difference. Someone could watch you play when your down 10-0 or up 10-0 and not be able to tell the difference. You run everything out no matter what the situation is because thats how you play the game. Not because anyone is watching or no one is watching because thats how you play the game.

I could go on for days on ways a player speaks to those watching that matters without saying a word. How he tells those that are watching that have a clue what he is about by never saying a word. As a coach I never tell a player to hustle. Never. If he has to be told to hustle I have failed and the player is not a player. If you have to tell a player to get on and off the field then he has never been taught some very basic rules of the game. There are some baseball character issues in play here.

People can say your too slow. People can say you don't throw hard enough. People can say your not a great hitter. People can say you have a weak glove. But no one should ever be able to say you dont get after it. That is something you have 100% control over. And if you can not take 100% control over the things you can control your in a heap of trouble once you add in the things you can not.

Your team may be more talented than my team. I have absolutely 0 control over that. Once we reach the field to play my team is as good as they can be for that day. But - We can get after it harder than you. We can approach the game with more sense of urgency than you. We can want it more than you. We can be more sound in the bunt game than you. We can be more sound in the cut game than you. We can produce more quality at bats than you. We can run the bases smarter than you. We can hold runners better than you. We can put ourselves in a position to keep a single a single, a double a double , a triple a triple by busting our butt better than you. We can defend the 1st and 3rd better than you. We can compete harder than you. We can be more mentally tough than you. We can be better at everything we can control than you can be. And we can beat you even though you are more talented than we are.

So as your walking on the field and walking off the field we will be busting our a** getting on it and off it. We will be in complete control of everything we can control. And when your standing in center field getting ripped by your coach for losing to a team that you are more talented than think about what just happened. And enjoy your fresh legs on the ride back home after getting your a** whipped by a bunch of country boys that had no business beating that a**.

And just imagine the butt whooping your going to take when we are more talented than you and we still do everything else better than you? Go hard or go home. Or play for the other team.


These gentlemen have just explained why coaches use this method for teams getting on and off the field. The two most powerful tools a coach has for teaching a player a lesson happen to be the lineup card and a stopwatch. If a player cannot figure out they are wrong and create change after being subjected to these two things then they are probably not going to get it.

Kids by nature are lazy - they will look for the easy way of doing things. It's our job to teach them how to hustle and how to do things the right way.

You come on here and in a condescendingly way to tell us we are wrong. We are just a small sample of coaches out there who use this method successfully. Maybe you accidentally skipped over these posts that explain why coaches do this so here you go. Hope you get something out of it.
coach2709,

I really don’t understand how you got the idea I was telling anyone they were wrong. I’m a big boy, and if I think someone’s doing something that’s wrong, I assure you I have no compunction at all about saying just that. All I did was agree with bballdad2016, and said why. I notice you didn’t feel it necessary to “scold” him.

If you want to spend your time with a stopwatch timing players get on and off the field, by all means, be my guest. But why is it that just because someone feels there’s another way to accomplish the same thing, he’s somehow being condescending and failing to understand the entire concept?

Has everything you’ve ever done as a coach been perfect in every way, so that now you’re positive there is no other conceivable way to do things? Remember, there are many ways to skin a cat.
You totally miss the point and now you're trying to twist what's going on. I never said what we did is the cureall and neither did anybody else. Its a tool to teach hustle. There are other ways to skin a cat so why get on here and criticize how we do things?

The sarcastic example you gave about having world class sprinters is being critical in a negative way to what we do. So don't get on here and tell me there is more than one way to skin a cat while telling me our way to skin a cat is wrong.
I've got no problem with using a stopwatch, or a pre-season speech.

But in my experience, our reputations as coaches are known among the players and parents.

I have a reputation for demanding hustle.

If I have a player who forgets/ignores my reputation and doesn't hustle on and off the field:

1. It's my bad for having mistakenly selected that player for my team.

2. After kicking myself, I will make an example of him the first time I notice him slow-jogging off the field. Bench him. Problem solved.
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why don't we put this in "real time"----when my son was 16 I asked my ll and connie mack coach, one and the same to see my boy play---the gentleman had played in the dodger system and was a scout for the dodgers------he arrived to a game that was a 20 run lead for my sons team---- he caught my son as well as the entire team walking on and off the field---after the game he asked if he could talk to my son in private----said to him go ahead--off they went-to talk-----I knew my son was in for a education---as JOHN spit tobacco juice as much as he spit "F" bombs--- about an hour later they both returned and all john says to me is the boy is going to be fine and then left---my son asked me who the heck was he--?I told my son and all he said was oh !what did JOHN say to him--- it was all about hustling on and off the field at all times---since then he has never not hustled on or off the field------the team won the tourney winning the final two sudden death events with my son going 8 for 11 with 4 home runs and winning the tourney MVP---- OBVIOUSLY HUSTLE DOES MEAN SOMETHING

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