I wonder if this had anything to do with his mystery illness last season........
Giambi on 'roids
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Is there anyone around here that didn’t already know this?
How long is it going to be until Barry is next and tells us what we already know?
Baseball's dirty little secret is slowly being uncovered.
How long is it going to be until Barry is next and tells us what we already know?
Baseball's dirty little secret is slowly being uncovered.
Since he hit 2 HR's in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, that means the Yankees cheated their way to the World Series. So what's new? The Yankees are stuck with him for $100 million.
You've been reading the Boston Dirt Dogs site. 
The Dirt Dogs are right!!
Without those big arms, that tattoo is just going to be a purple blob.
On a serious note, I wish other players would fess up and I hope MLB and the players union continue to get serious about “No” illegal drug use so we can put this chapter behind us. If they have to put some asterisks in the record book, then do it.
I don’t want my sons doing this in order to compete and I don’t want them having to compete against players who do. And I don’t think anyone reading this does either.
On a serious note, I wish other players would fess up and I hope MLB and the players union continue to get serious about “No” illegal drug use so we can put this chapter behind us. If they have to put some asterisks in the record book, then do it.
I don’t want my sons doing this in order to compete and I don’t want them having to compete against players who do. And I don’t think anyone reading this does either.
I had the opportunity - on several occasions - to spend some time with Jason Giambi. On each occasion - his eyes were as yellow as daisies.
It was Ben Johnson deja vu. I felt bad for him.
He is also - IMO - one of the nicest professional athletes you ever could meet. A true gentleman.
I feel bad for him and the mistakes he made, and I hope he hasnt done permanent harm to his body.
At least he has the guts to admit what was so painfully obvious.
It was Ben Johnson deja vu. I felt bad for him.
He is also - IMO - one of the nicest professional athletes you ever could meet. A true gentleman.
I feel bad for him and the mistakes he made, and I hope he hasnt done permanent harm to his body.
At least he has the guts to admit what was so painfully obvious.
The only problem with his "admitting" to taking illegal drugs was the fact that he did so only after his testimony was leaked.
He should be banned from the game. I'm a HUGE Barry Bonds fan but if it is proven that he cheated I will feel the same way about him. Right now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt even though all signs point to him cheating.
Jason
He should be banned from the game. I'm a HUGE Barry Bonds fan but if it is proven that he cheated I will feel the same way about him. Right now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt even though all signs point to him cheating.
Jason
Ban him. LOL
Yeah ban him - and about 500 other MLB players that are whacked out on juice.
At least Giambi gave truthful testimony. That is his admittance.
Most wont.
Yeah ban him - and about 500 other MLB players that are whacked out on juice.
At least Giambi gave truthful testimony. That is his admittance.
Most wont.
Don't ban him. That would void his contract.
Dad 04-- those pictures are incredible..doesn't look like the same person.
I hope he finds his health again, but don't think he'll ever be the player he was.
And as a Yankee fan I gringe at the fact that George still owes him for 4 more years at 20 million per.
I hope he finds his health again, but don't think he'll ever be the player he was.
And as a Yankee fan I gringe at the fact that George still owes him for 4 more years at 20 million per.
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Originally posted by mcman74:
And as a Yankee fan I gringe at the fact that George still owes him for 4 more years at 20 million per.
I would be happy if that were the case, but the insurance companies will pick up the tab I'm sure.
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And as a Yankee fan I gringe at the fact that George still owes him for 4 more years at 20 million per.
mcman
Read'em and weep.
As good as 36 year old Gary Sheffield is, George passed on 28 year old Vlad Guerrero to sign him. George is getting old. His deals show it.
Barry is next...except he won't do it honestly..I guess MLB thinks he did it all with only skill??? MLB is going down the drain with the $$ and the drugs..Professional sports, I should say. Too bad...$$$ isn't everything.
Starzz,
This too shall pass.
Baseball is just too great of a game.
It cant be hacked - even by the Barry Bonds - and Bud Selig's of the world.
The players may change - but the game is just too awesome to be hacked out of existence.
Plus - money talks - most folks will gravitate to the carrot. And MLB is a bigtime business.
It will self correct over time IMO. Just as it always has.
This too shall pass.
Baseball is just too great of a game.
It cant be hacked - even by the Barry Bonds - and Bud Selig's of the world.
The players may change - but the game is just too awesome to be hacked out of existence.
Plus - money talks - most folks will gravitate to the carrot. And MLB is a bigtime business.
It will self correct over time IMO. Just as it always has.
Its has a good point. MLB has moved ahead all the time. Here are some facts:
Average Attendance:
1970-14,788
1980-20,434
1990-26,045
2003-28,051
Average ticket price:
1991-$9.14
1995-$10.73
2000-$16.81
2003-19.08
We look back on the good old days, but more people go to games and pay much more money than days gone by. People could stay home and have their choice of watching any game on TV, but they still go to games in person and pay a lot for a ticket and about $6 for a cup of beer. Giambi and any other steroid user will not have an effect on baseball, because it is a great game to watch.
Average Attendance:
1970-14,788
1980-20,434
1990-26,045
2003-28,051
Average ticket price:
1991-$9.14
1995-$10.73
2000-$16.81
2003-19.08
We look back on the good old days, but more people go to games and pay much more money than days gone by. People could stay home and have their choice of watching any game on TV, but they still go to games in person and pay a lot for a ticket and about $6 for a cup of beer. Giambi and any other steroid user will not have an effect on baseball, because it is a great game to watch.
And the financial numbers are even more impressive if adjusted for inflation.
The Red Sox just raised ticket prices again but they would have to double or triple prices to catch up to the prices scalpers charge for thousands of tickets every game.
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I'm a HUGE Barry Bonds fan but if it is proven that he cheated I will feel the same way about him. Right now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt even though all signs point to him cheating.
How's that saying go?
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be true!
Add in network revenue increases and you will see mind boggling numbers - per capita.
Barry Bonds can put on another 100 pounds - grow another 10 hat sizes and hit another 300 home runs. Wont make a difference.
Bud Selig can put illuminated Coca Cola signs on the baseballs - wont make a difference.
In the end - they both suck - so what.
The game is just too good - and is much bigger than these guys - or others of their ilk IMO.
Barry Bonds can put on another 100 pounds - grow another 10 hat sizes and hit another 300 home runs. Wont make a difference.
Bud Selig can put illuminated Coca Cola signs on the baseballs - wont make a difference.
In the end - they both suck - so what.
The game is just too good - and is much bigger than these guys - or others of their ilk IMO.
Although I don't think steroid use helps you hit the ball, I just think it is a darn shame that this has happened. Ban Him? I don't think so, because of the owners and player's association agreement, you can't. This is no great shock to anyone is it? Come on, him, Barry, Shef, who is gonna believe that all that hard work turned them into super human. How many homeruns did Bonds ever hit with Pittsburgh? 27 maybe. Come on, now he is hitting monster shots to Left field. Smaller parks, weaker pitching will certainly increase home runs but not to 70 something a season. I think there ought to be an asterisk beside any records they set. Also, a shame that Grand Jury testimony which was supposed to be sealed, has leaked out. It only gives baseball a bad name, this steroid story when it comes out may be on the same level as the Black Sox scandal. This will be epic, jeez when Ken Caminiti did so young, probably from prolonged steroid use, these guys would get a clue, it is so darn harmful! I have even heard that High Schoolers are juiced up now, what's next Little Leaguers.
The fact that he admitted to steroid use makes him no longer innocent.
I have stated my position on those players who think they can disrespect the game of baseball, the fans and their teammates by doing this sort of thing. I have no sympathy for guys who don't understand how preveleged they are to play this game at the highest levels.
I would send him down to Single A ball for two years and see whether he can keep himself clean.
If Barry Bonds is found out to be similarly guilty of drug use I would similarly treat him with the disrespect that he treated the game, the fans, and his teammates.
In his case I would lock him out of ever being considered for the HOF.
I have stated my position on those players who think they can disrespect the game of baseball, the fans and their teammates by doing this sort of thing. I have no sympathy for guys who don't understand how preveleged they are to play this game at the highest levels.
I would send him down to Single A ball for two years and see whether he can keep himself clean.
If Barry Bonds is found out to be similarly guilty of drug use I would similarly treat him with the disrespect that he treated the game, the fans, and his teammates.
In his case I would lock him out of ever being considered for the HOF.
I don't think this will be a big deal at all. Anyone who is surprised in the least by this has been sleeping or dreaming the last 5 years or so.
Flipp from previous page re: Bonds - wake up. I'm guessing you also think our government operates in the best interests of its people and that politicians are the "good guys" trying to help their constituents.
Mlb and players union knew this was going on for years and did nothing about it. This past season with very little testing and pathetic penalties for violators you saw fewer 2nd basemen hitting 40 dingers-some were still using since the makers of these drugs are always 2 steps ahead of testing methods.
If Bud Selig and union had any ***** there would be mandatory once a month testing with severe penalties-anything short of that is simply more of what got us where we are today.
Flipp from previous page re: Bonds - wake up. I'm guessing you also think our government operates in the best interests of its people and that politicians are the "good guys" trying to help their constituents.
Mlb and players union knew this was going on for years and did nothing about it. This past season with very little testing and pathetic penalties for violators you saw fewer 2nd basemen hitting 40 dingers-some were still using since the makers of these drugs are always 2 steps ahead of testing methods.
If Bud Selig and union had any ***** there would be mandatory once a month testing with severe penalties-anything short of that is simply more of what got us where we are today.
PIC - what would you do with the other 10,000 baseball players in the USA (from pros to college to high school)?
Ban them - from what?
We created it - now we have to deal with it.
Ban them - from what?
We created it - now we have to deal with it.
Pic, You can't send him down, because he is out of options. Even if you could, it would not matter, because he falls under the ML agreement and can not be tested like other minor leaguers.
As far as admitting to the use, it is only a newspaper story so far. The guy who is in trouble is the guy who leaked the Grand Jury testimony. He can go to prison.
As far as admitting to the use, it is only a newspaper story so far. The guy who is in trouble is the guy who leaked the Grand Jury testimony. He can go to prison.
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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
PIC - what would you do with the other 10,000 baseball players in the USA (from pros to college to high school)?
Ban them - from what?
We created it - now we have to deal with it.
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As commissioner, I would advise the MLBPA and Minor League Baseball that as of a future date certain, that all players found to be users of drugs would be banned from baseball for life...is it any different than the Pete Rose scenario, NO!
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Originally posted by bbscout:
Pic, You can't send him down, because he is out of options. Even if you could, it would not matter, because he falls under the ML agreement and can not be tested like other minor leaguers.
As far as admitting to the use, it is only a newspaper story so far. The guy who is in trouble is the guy who leaked the Grand Jury testimony. He can go to prison.
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The question for the team is...are they obligated to pay him the remainder of his contract if he is found to have violated the no illicit drug use clauses, or has brought disrepute and loss of goodwill to the business. I believe that it can be shown that loss of goodwill is a recoverable monetary circumstance.
I find it interesting that it is the same reporter and same San Francisco newspaper that keeps getting this "info" ---how is a grand jury doucument released ? They even say they listened to tapes ?/ Really now !!!!!!
Being guilty or not is not the my point here--my point is that someone has a "deal" for exciting headlines and it smells like rotten fish in the noon day sun !!!!!!!
Being guilty or not is not the my point here--my point is that someone has a "deal" for exciting headlines and it smells like rotten fish in the noon day sun !!!!!!!
Pic, You are not paying attention....it does not matter if you are the Commissioner. The drug testing and penalties are negotiated between the MLPA and MLB. The commissioner can hammer the minor leaguer if he wants to, but not the player on the 40 man roster.
Pic, Have you ever read a major league contract?
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Originally posted by PiC:
The question for the team is...are they obligated to pay him the remainder of his contract if he is found to have violated the no illicit drug use clauses, or has brought disrepute and loss of goodwill to the business. I believe that it can be shown that loss of goodwill is a recoverable monetary circumstance.
Huh?
We may also find that some of these drugs were not on the MLB list when used by the players ---if this is the case they player is clear\
Sheffield claims he did not know an ingredient in the "creme" he used was a steroid--he says it was not listed
This will go on forever, trust me
Sheffield claims he did not know an ingredient in the "creme" he used was a steroid--he says it was not listed
This will go on forever, trust me
They are all multi-millionaires - and they have very very good personal lawyers. (In addition to the legal protection afforded to them by the Players Union).
You cant touch them.
Simple as that.
Just pay the price of the ticket and the cable bill and buy some popcorn.
The rest will happen with you or without you.
You cant touch them.
Simple as that.
Just pay the price of the ticket and the cable bill and buy some popcorn.
The rest will happen with you or without you.
They may not have been on the MLB list then but they are on the List made by the US Government.
I find sheffield's claims funny. I doubt very seriously these superstar athletes who make money on their bodies, doesn't know what ingredients are in their supplements. They have personal trainers, and such, they are not about to take draino, and go jeez, i didn't know it was poison. I have to say this will be a big deal, because it is a huge question mark on records, personal stats, players abilities, and the public faith in the system, that everyone is playing on an equal playing field. And NO they cannot be sent down to the minors for taking steroids, as a matter of fact Giambi could shoot up steroids in front of 50,000 people at Yankee stadium and there is nothing anyone could do about it, at least until the next time the MLB contract comes up for negotiation. The way to attack the problem, is deal with players in the minor leagues, and stop the problem there. And hopefully it will go away by attrition. But as long as there is drug testing, there will be idiots like BALCO trying to beat the system. It is a shame that this has caused a black mark on baseball, and I truly believe when it all shakes out, it will be a big big deal to MLB. I also think that the Yankees will have a very difficult time voiding out Giambi's contract, if they want too. And believe me, the Yankees don't want anything to do with negative publicity, and they would get rid of Giambi in a New York minute if they could.
Sometimes - I even think Bud Selig slapped down some of that juice or wiped on some of that cream.
He looks alot bigger than he did in 1995.
LOL
He looks alot bigger than he did in 1995.
LOL
as a matter of fact, bud does have that dome thing going on like Brian Bosworth (the Boz) used to have. Heck, if Bud suited up for the brewers I think he might hit 70 dingers.
Heard from my son that a new player on his college team is rumored to be taking roids. My son says he's huge and that the boy admits to it. He's going to start as a Freshman. Before you know it, kids in LL will be asking their Dads for them. MLB needs to stop this now before it gets way out of hand.
Bigdude - way too late.
It is out of hand.
In college and in high school.
Now comes the correction process - but I think it will take about 5 years minimum. IMO
It is out of hand.
In college and in high school.
Now comes the correction process - but I think it will take about 5 years minimum. IMO
Bigdude is right. The steroid problem goes WAY beyond MLB.
A friend of mine has a son playing in JUCO. Most of the players on this team shoot steroids. They (players) all know when the shipment is going to arrive from Mexico. Many players are quite open about their use habits among their teammates.
Another young man I know of visited a different JUCO during recruiting season. The steroids, and the syringes needed to ingest the drugs, were sitting out on a table in the locker room plainly visible to any visitors.
JUCO coaches must be more attentive to this problem, IMO.
A friend of mine has a son playing in JUCO. Most of the players on this team shoot steroids. They (players) all know when the shipment is going to arrive from Mexico. Many players are quite open about their use habits among their teammates.
Another young man I know of visited a different JUCO during recruiting season. The steroids, and the syringes needed to ingest the drugs, were sitting out on a table in the locker room plainly visible to any visitors.
JUCO coaches must be more attentive to this problem, IMO.