It breaks my heart that Bama is going through hard times.

Wow. Do you think he just didn't understand the rules?  That can't be true. What would compel him to do it?  

He was outside of power 5 when at LA Tech, and was not required to renew scholarships annually.  He did not recognize the different situation apparently.  Cut throat guy. 

Wow - As Bryce Harper would say, "that's a clown move bro"..... This guy makes Tracy Smith and ASU's train wreck of a season look like a walk in the park!

Can't imagine that Byrne would let him suit up for next season, even if all those kids decide to come back and play for the ole' Tide.

What's the old saying out there in SEC country? If ya aint cheatin' ya aint tryin'

If his excuse is he wasn't aware of the 'new rule' he needs to be shown the door for complete incompetence.

-Geez-

He has traditionally had a very bad first season at a new school and then rights the ship. Don't forget, Saban "processes" a number of guys annually.   It's not necessarily a losing strategy. He made a boneheaded move, but guys get told they need to move on every year. Just in different ways. 

Plenty of kids have their scholarships "cut" at guaranteed Power 5 programs. It's just usually done.... in a more subtle manner.

Goff definitely screwed it up, but ask any parent who's been through it on this board - it happens. Just in a different way.

Happens all the time.  Including at P5 programs.

Here's a question: if you're one of the ten guys or even walk-ons that he doesn't want back, what would you do?

Stick it out and fight like heck to prove him wrong or ask for your release and move on?

hshuler posted:

Here's a question: if you're one of the ten guys or even walk-ons that he doesn't want back, what would you do?

Stick it out and fight like heck to prove him wrong or ask for your release and move on?

If it were me?  I would move on to a program that wants me.  I get the whole prove him wrong theory, but reality is those kids probably won't get much of a chance if they stick it out.

If those players are rising juniors or seniors, it's hang up the cleats or gut it out.

Where could they go and play? I guess D3 or NAIA. There is no JUCO option.

hshuler posted:

Here's a question: if you're one of the ten guys or even walk-ons that he doesn't want back, what would you do?

Stick it out and fight like heck to prove him wrong or ask for your release and move on?

You move on...

2020Mom posted:

Wow. Do you think he just didn't understand the rules?  That can't be true. What would compel him to do it?  

I think he understands the rules just fine.  I also think other peoples rules MAY not apply to him in his head.

Nice open letter to the AD here:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/20...-greg-goff-has-to-go

CaCO3Girl posted:

2020Mom posted:

Wow. Do you think he just didn't understand the rules?  That can't be true. What would compel him to do it?  

I think he understands the rules just fine.  I also think other peoples rules MAY not apply to him in his head.

Nice open letter to the AD here:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/20...-greg-goff-has-to-go

If those accusations are true, and no matter how much someone says "I speak only from first-hand experience" I always wonder, it's hard to see how they keep him.

CaCO3Girl posted:

2020Mom posted:

Wow. Do you think he just didn't understand the rules?  That can't be true. What would compel him to do it?  

I think he understands the rules just fine.  I also think other peoples rules MAY not apply to him in his head.

Nice open letter to the AD here:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/20...-greg-goff-has-to-go

I read that letter last night. If true, he gone.  Can't alienate supporters and alumni and have NCAA stuff in your background.  If true, I have no use for him. 

Player moves on. College baseball is a grind and although they think "i'll still get money and only have to practice etc but never play"...most don't make it. When you're not used/wanted and you know you will not play, most quit or transfer out. We saw this first hand with a few of my son's team mates last fall. One quit after the "talk" and another transferred out. It is what it is. 

Goff stays by the way...he's trying to change the culture at Bama and build a winning program.

This happens ALL THE TIME in every competitive program. This is why this website is so great! Most of us come here with our little Johnny baseball son in tow, (me included) HS stud, all region, bla, bla, bla and think a college coach is going to just love him and treat him wonderfully, mentor him, for 4 wonderful years....(flowers, blowing wheat fields, bees, soft music in the background)  Seriously, I was so uninformed......

Well, the reality is that college baseball at the highest levels is a business, and its hard, really really hard. As a player your worth to the coach is your batting average, ERA, (or WAR for you geeks)  and on field performance. Sure there are some great coaches out there, but the reality is if you are not contributing to make the program better, (and for elite programs in the dumps much much better) you will be gone one way or another.  Look at the typical numbers, 15 freshmen come in, and by their Sr year 5 are left. (if that) Where do you think they went?  Sorry, I did not read the link, but Goff is not going anywhere IMO. 

Goff is not the first coach, and will certainly not be the last, to be successful in a program outside the Power 5 and then fail given the significant changes they experience once they get to be one of the "big boys."  Recruiting tactics and behavioral things they did before that fly under the radar not only get noticed, they get magnified.  I'm no fan of 'Bama or the SEC, but the stuff noted in that open letter will simply not play in Alabama or the SEC.  There is an expectation from the alumni and the conference's elite baseball reputation that conflicts with what Goff did both with the record on the field and this stuff in the letter that says who cares if he had only one season.  There are far too many other better coaching options they can find to turn the baseball program around.  If they wait too long, it may otherwise take them years to recover.

Goosegg posted:

If those players are rising juniors or seniors, it's hang up the cleats or gut it out.

Where could they go and play? I guess D3 or NAIA. There is no JUCO option.

My son's school picks up D2 and D1 drop downs on a fairly regular basis.  (that's one of the things that helps keeps them very competitive from year to year and makes it tough on frosh to break into the line-up)  Quite often these D1 drop downs  shine at the D3 level and become part of the heart and soul of the program.   SO dropping down isn't necessarily a bad option at all.   It worked out really well for this kid: http://www.clusports.com/news/13200/

Alabama baseball coach Greg Goff dismissed

https://www.tidesports.com/ala...-greg-goff-dismissed

Well that didn't take long.  Maybe they'll get it right this time.  I think Jack Leggett's still available.

Gasp! A coach did something wrong? Floored!

Shoveit4Ks posted:

Player moves on. College baseball is a grind and although they think "i'll still get money and only have to practice etc but never play"...most don't make it. When you're not used/wanted and you know you will not play, most quit or transfer out. We saw this first hand with a few of my son's team mates last fall. One quit after the "talk" and another transferred out. It is what it is. 

Goff stays by the way...he's trying to change the culture at Bama and build a winning program.

Son's roommate was told after junior year he would get the money but not be part of the program. A senior isn't going to transfer to sit out a year to play. 

For younger players the options are ...

1) Transfer and sit out a year

2) Transfer down to a top D2 and not sit out a year

3) Go 4-2-4 and not sit out a year. The problem here is attending three schools in three years. But it's done.

I don't believe a kid should have to sit out a year if the coach doesn't want him.  A discussion I don't believe I've seen on the board is a college freshman having the maturity and decision making ability to determine if he needs to get out of Dodge after freshman year.

Some can see the writing on the wall. Some believe they will be in the mix soph year. If they're wrong chances are their D1 future is over by staying a second year and having to sit out the third to transfer.

Goff fired ... I believe it was Baseball Confucius who said, "Never screw up off the field after a 5-24 in conference record in rookie season as head coach."

Iowamom23 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

2020Mom posted:

Wow. Do you think he just didn't understand the rules?  That can't be true. What would compel him to do it?  

I think he understands the rules just fine.  I also think other peoples rules MAY not apply to him in his head.

Nice open letter to the AD here:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/20...-greg-goff-has-to-go

If those accusations are true, and no matter how much someone says "I speak only from first-hand experience" I always wonder, it's hard to see how they keep him.

 

I'm thinking they were true.

Total assertion with no knowledge of the program: Quick fire by Bama to head off deeper NCAA investigation?

That didn't take long (the firing).  I wonder what that will mean for Derek Simmons, who is an assistant at Alabama and a helluva good coach and a nice person.  I suppose assistant coaches end up in whatever crossfire the head coach creates but Simmons doesn't deserve that.

I'm not surprised though, Alabama doesn't mess around

Go44dad posted:

Total assertion with no knowledge of the program: Quick fire by Bama to head off deeper NCAA investigation?

I think it's more of, this coach just went 4-25-1 and he gave us a reason to fire him and not pay him a dime of his buyout.  

Go44dad posted:

Total assertion with no knowledge of the program: Quick fire by Bama to head off deeper NCAA investigation?

Exactly.  NCAA takes violations pretty seriously when they're made public.  

Alabama Fires Greg Goff After Just One Year On The Job

http://www.baseballamerica.com...#dc04gYvEw4cVV5Hv.97

Oooops

+1 on Simmons, hope he stays in a good situation or lands on his feet.

MTH posted:

Well that didn't take long.  Maybe they'll get it right this time.  I think Jack Leggett's still available.

So is Sunny Galloway if we're going that route

I really enjoyed the reading the "open letter" for no other reason than the letter writer used the word "homunculi"

like2rake posted:

I really enjoyed the reading the "open letter" for no other reason than the letter writer used the word "homunculi"

 Interwebs fist-bump.

So, Bama said "Fuh Goff" pretty quickly...a lot faster than I expected.

Backstop22 posted:

Goff is not the first coach, and will certainly not be the last, to be successful in a program outside the Power 5 and then fail given the significant changes they experience once they get to be one of the "big boys."  Recruiting tactics and behavioral things they did before that fly under the radar not only get noticed, they get magnified.  I'm no fan of 'Bama or the SEC, but the stuff noted in that open letter will simply not play in Alabama or the SEC.  There is an expectation from the alumni and the conference's elite baseball reputation that conflicts with what Goff did both with the record on the field and this stuff in the letter that says who cares if he had only one season.  There are far too many other better coaching options they can find to turn the baseball program around.  If they wait too long, it may otherwise take them years to recover.

If all that's written is true, the coach needs to be banned from coaching.

A few weeks ago, I heard about a coach who was on probation but messed up again, fired immediately. He had been found violating ncaa rules last year, should have been fired then.  

I don't think these guys are far and few between, I think that much of this behavior happens frequently, but seldom reported.  

JMO

https://www.tidesports.com/gre...es-greg-goff-firing/

“There were no rules violations,” Byrne said.

Goff was terminated without cause. Alabama will be responsible for the remainder of his base salary unless he accepts another job in baseball. Goff signed a five-year contract that ran through the 2021 season for $450,000 annually with a base salary of $265,000.

If he does not accept another job in baseball, he will be owed $1.06 million over the next four years. He was due to make $1.8 million in total compensation if he had coached through the duration of his contract."

Wow

hsbaseball101 posted:

https://www.tidesports.com/gre...es-greg-goff-firing/

“There were no rules violations,” Byrne said.

Goff was terminated without cause. Alabama will be responsible for the remainder of his base salary unless he accepts another job in baseball. Goff signed a five-year contract that ran through the 2021 season for $450,000 annually with a base salary of $265,000.

 

If he does not accept another job in baseball, he will be owed $1.06 million over the next four years. He was due to make $1.8 million in total compensation if he had coached through the duration of his contract."

Wow

Byrne said that regarding the NCAA and the scholarships being pulled, not necessarily about Goff. 

I don't buy that "Goff was terminated without cause"....I think plenty of people have come forward to show "cause". 

That is an interesting determination that Bama made.  Had they not fired Goff, it is quite likely that had any of the players who had their scholarships revoked by him pursued the matter with the SEC/NCAA, the school may have been found in violation of the rules.  Then the school could have fired him for cause.  By acting so quickly to fire him and reach out to the players by telling them nobody is having their scholarship revoked, they avoided a violation and then are left to pay the remainder of his contract.  But give the AD credit for acting so quickly because it sounds like firing him was warranted.

If you can afford $40 million in recent renovations you can afford the extra million to get rid of Goff and keep the NCAA from snooping around.