Good Stuff.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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please tell me how the bat starts moving if not initially pulled by the shoulders.

Arm action.......

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....please tell me what moves the bat forward if it is not the linkage between the shoulder. arms and hands.

Now, you try to confuse the issue with using the word "linkage"....You are entertaining....

The shoulder is a linkage....So, I guess you could say since the front shoulder socket doesn't fall out, it is involved......

But, so are the feet, 'cause if you fell down, you couldn't move the bat forward......

I'm not trying to confuse anything or anyone, I'm asking a simple question. I still don't understand how the arms move the bat forward without the shoulder being involved. Please tell me what action of the arms are you referring to that moves the bat forward without any involvement of the shoulders?

Shawn, you have no idea what we mean when we say the shoulders get by-passed.......

I would explain it to you, but you don't really want to know.......

Your agenda is to badger anyone associated with the "stretch and fire" theory.....

And, nobody will talk to you over at BBF...

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Shawn, you have no idea what we mean when we say the shoulders get by-passed.......

I would explain it to you, but you don't really want to know.......

Your agenda is to badger anyone associated with the "stretch and fire" theory.....

And, nobody will talk to you over at BBF...

Blue dog,

I have no idea what you are refering to at BBF. I have a total of 9 posts over there, most of which have received an intelligle response. You have 101 PAGES of posts over here and very few have been intelligle responses. You are AVOIDING THE QUESTION AGAIN!!!!!!!

You are right, I don't understand shoulder bypass, if you do, please explain it to me as I have asked repeatedly.

You said "I would explain it to you, but you don't really want to know......." How do you know. I don't beleive you can explain it, you always like to talk about what you know without saying anything. Please answer the question I asked earlier.

"please tell me how the bat starts moving if not initially pulled by the shoulders. Disregard how far the shoulders rotate or if they are just along for a ride with the hips, but please tell me what moves the bat forward if it is not the linkage between the shoulder. arms and hands.

Don't avoid the question, answer it. If you are able.

My comment on the provided video of Bonds in this BP situation is, put a cursor on his number. Note the position by leaving it on that number. Then decide for yourself if the shoulder is moving along with the arm action or not.

BTW, this video has been seen thousands of times and commented on more. Take the concept of "tilt." Watch Bond's head and mark it on the light tower. Then, watch not only the shoulder action but see that the head drops suggesting an adjustment in tilt. I'd like to find the link with this video. I believe it was posted here 2 years ago.

As for the shoulders not moving....I was informed that someone may have actually said that.....If that is the case, then he will have to answer for that...

For the record, I have never said the shoulders don't move....To the contrary, I have said they must move......When I talk about by-passing the shoulders, I mean as a power source, not as a linkage....

Those who discuss this stuff with me know this....Those with an agenda don't care to know it...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:
As for the shoulders not moving....I was informed that someone may have actually said that.....If that is the case, then he will have to answer for that...

For the record, I have never said the shoulders don't move....To the contrary, I have said they must move......When I talk about by-passing the shoulders, I mean as a power source, not as a linkage....


Bluedog, this is what you said in previous post in this thread:

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The lead shoulder does start the arms and hands moving,.....

So you say...

I say, it doesn't...

BTW, you never did answer the question. You'd obviously rather win and argument that speak the truth.

Later

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
I can't argue with you.....

You're too much fun to play with.....

You might leave if I get too serious with you.....

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You are right, I don't understand shoulder bypass, if you do, please explain it to me as I have asked repeatedly.

I don't understand...You will tell me.....

I give up!!! If you knew anything, surely in the 101 pages of posts you'd have slipped up and let it out by now.

I knew I was wasting my time trying to discuss anything with you.

Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Arm Action.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
XV, now that's good stuff....

go sell some wings richard...we hear they are pretty good..

What's wrong Wogdog???....Getting boring on the boards these days?

You can't get any action over at BBF?...They aren't listening to you?

Want some wings?

Arm action.

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Originally posted by XV:
Arm action.

How much weight do you think was on Wright's front side in this clip? See the left foot fly over? Did all of his weight shift to the front side??? I don't think so. Did his back leg push or get lifted off the ground or pulled through by his front side? Great clips XV! Looks like fly fishing to me! Same arm action! Same principal, IMO.

On both, the back foot definitely gets pulled...To me, there's no doubt....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
On both, the back foot definitely gets pulled...To me, there's no doubt....

Blue,

What are you meaning by "on both"? I agree that late in his swing, the back foot (heel only) is being pulled through by rotation (including quads, hams, abs, glutes and calf muscles). I think he's an all three hitter. He pushes with his back big toe to start, he continues the turn with the front leg pressing back, and finishes it with a late punch of the back knee. He also starts with one of the biggest negative hip moves I've ever seen. I would say he gets everything possible out of his body when he swings and...yes...his arm action helps get it all going and is the most efficient way to "swing" the bat.

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Blue,

What are you meaning by "on both"?

That means not just one.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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Blue,

What are you meaning by "on both"?

That means not just one.....

LOL! Not just one what?