I know it varies by school... BUT, what kind of minimum GPA do most schools want? I just want a general idea.
Thanks!
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I believe NCAA requirement is 2.0 BUT every schools admission requirements are quite different.
I know that you are asking college requirements but the link below is to the NCAA publications page. The guide for College Bound Student Athlete is good resource. Hope this is helpful
NCAA publications
I know that you are asking college requirements but the link below is to the NCAA publications page. The guide for College Bound Student Athlete is good resource. Hope this is helpful
NCAA publications
Some schools if you can walk, breathe, qualify (NCAA), and hit or pitch, and you're in!
This is not an easy question to answer. If you are interested in a particular school you should investigate as to their academic requirements.
Due to changing academic standards to "stay and play" by the NCAA, more coaches are recruitng more responsibily by signing the athlete that has the minimum GPA requirements for admissions, not below.
Due to changing academic standards to "stay and play" by the NCAA, more coaches are recruitng more responsibily by signing the athlete that has the minimum GPA requirements for admissions, not below.
A good resource is the Princeton Review site. You can pull up avg GPA and SAT scores for incoming freshmen.
Grade requirement vary from school to school and conference to conference. Some told us as long as you make it through the clearing house your in. One of the top 5 ranked schools told us, they have never had a player they wanted not get in. Two schools including his chosen one, made him go through the admissions process before they would make an offer.
www.embark.com is a good source of information regarding admissions requirements, costs etc, etc. Keep in mind that those requirements would be non-athletic.
www.embark.com is a good source of information regarding admissions requirements, costs etc, etc. Keep in mind that those requirements would be non-athletic.
Out of the 30 schools my son was involved with in the recruiting process, not one ever cared about the writing portion of the SAT. They based everything on math & verbal. As for GPA, it mattered a lot what HS you were coming from and what courses you took (true of admissions in general). Of course, colleges were all over the map in terms of what they were willing to accept, but don't expect too many choices if you're a two-pointer. Coaches have enough to worry about without babysitting to make sure a recruit stays academically eligible. JT has a good suggestion about comparing admission standards. Also try the college find resoources at Collegeboard.com - same place you register for SATs. It'll give you an idea where you fit in, academically.
For the Atlantic Coast Conference, it's a very easy question to answer.
For baseball student athletes, the University of Maryland has difficult admissions standards for freshman. A GPA of about 3.2 and 1100 SAT (math and verbal) get's the blessing of Terp Admissions for the Baseball Office.
Duke admissions standards for baseball players, contrary to many perceptions, are not as high for recruiting baseball players and are about 2.8 GPA & 950 (M&V).
Anyone highly talented HS baseball player with 2.5 GPA and 900 SAT's can get into the other state schools in the Conference. Whereas the private schools in the conference have on some occasions recruited a talented player, only to NLI a highly talented better player, ....and then the 'admission' guidelines are adjusted up, if you know what I mean.
Yes, the NCAA is currently examining relaxing transfer requirements for D1 baseball players.
For some time D1 baseball players in good academic standings are able to transfer without penalty (ie not having to sit out a year as other sports ie basketball, football, hockey). However, transfers and freshman academic requirements are typically more mutually exclusive than related.
Regards
For baseball student athletes, the University of Maryland has difficult admissions standards for freshman. A GPA of about 3.2 and 1100 SAT (math and verbal) get's the blessing of Terp Admissions for the Baseball Office.
Duke admissions standards for baseball players, contrary to many perceptions, are not as high for recruiting baseball players and are about 2.8 GPA & 950 (M&V).
Anyone highly talented HS baseball player with 2.5 GPA and 900 SAT's can get into the other state schools in the Conference. Whereas the private schools in the conference have on some occasions recruited a talented player, only to NLI a highly talented better player, ....and then the 'admission' guidelines are adjusted up, if you know what I mean.
Yes, the NCAA is currently examining relaxing transfer requirements for D1 baseball players.
For some time D1 baseball players in good academic standings are able to transfer without penalty (ie not having to sit out a year as other sports ie basketball, football, hockey). However, transfers and freshman academic requirements are typically more mutually exclusive than related.
Regards
Bear: It's good to know that Maryland has such 'high' admissions numbers. I was really getting worried that Duke would be pulling down the standards of the ACC. Thank goodness that Maryland is around to take care of the conference!
Remember that once you get into a school, you have to keep up!
If you accept baseball money, the minimum college GPA will be low... we were told 1.8. But if you are on academic scholarships, the minimum GPA to keep your scholarship is 3.0! Might be a little daunting at the more challenging schools.
Be sure you look at the whole picture when you choose a college. You don't want to get there and struggle academically. The baseball team and their program will OWN YOU! At highly competitive colleges (academically) the rest of the students on campus will be living and breathing their classes. Athletes have to perform in both areas!
If you accept baseball money, the minimum college GPA will be low... we were told 1.8. But if you are on academic scholarships, the minimum GPA to keep your scholarship is 3.0! Might be a little daunting at the more challenging schools.
Be sure you look at the whole picture when you choose a college. You don't want to get there and struggle academically. The baseball team and their program will OWN YOU! At highly competitive colleges (academically) the rest of the students on campus will be living and breathing their classes. Athletes have to perform in both areas!
NY Mom,
true that it is sometimes necessary to deep search Bear's posts for the "true meaning"
but, his above post is straight forward & accurate
.
true that it is sometimes necessary to deep search Bear's posts for the "true meaning"
but, his above post is straight forward & accurate
.
NY,
I can see that tongue jutting out of that bulldog's cheek, but Bear may not get it. He always feels it necessary to bash Duke when touting MD (maybe cuz Mike K. got the best of them this year). It is well known that the MD v. Duke academic equation is totally reversed in basketball, so there's no point in getting on a high horse. (See also grad rates for MD football and basketball). But back to baseball, what he says about the "other state schools" in the ACC is simply NOT TRUE. Take UVA, for example. Wouldn't even consider a 2.5. MD is a perfectly fine school, but it's ludicrous to suggest it's the academic high water mark.
I can see that tongue jutting out of that bulldog's cheek, but Bear may not get it. He always feels it necessary to bash Duke when touting MD (maybe cuz Mike K. got the best of them this year). It is well known that the MD v. Duke academic equation is totally reversed in basketball, so there's no point in getting on a high horse. (See also grad rates for MD football and basketball). But back to baseball, what he says about the "other state schools" in the ACC is simply NOT TRUE. Take UVA, for example. Wouldn't even consider a 2.5. MD is a perfectly fine school, but it's ludicrous to suggest it's the academic high water mark.
No Bear, I do not know what you mean.
As a parent of another ACC student, the admissions criteria at his school for students is well above 3.0 and an average for SAT 1250. I would say my son's admission requirements
were almost to those standards. Most importantly he is able to keep up with academics, well above 3.0. Many of the state universities are RAISING their course standards, and do remember that each recruit is evaluated differently. I agree with VA, it's just not only a Maryland thing going on here.
My son's friend attended Duke and in the bb program, a 4.3 with almost a 1300 SAT. He was barely able up keep up with his classes. Duke teaches on a 1300 SAT level. I can't see a student with a 950 and 2.8 having an easy time. Most of the other ACC schools do not teach on that level.
I have posted this before, find out what level courses are taught at each school, according to new SAT requirements. You can find this out by speaking with anyone in the admissions department. If they teach at a 1200 SAT level and the student has a 960, as intense as the bb programs are, I would think twice whether I would want mine to struggle on the field and in the classroom. Another good question to ask, what is the TEAM average GPA. If you get above 3.0 answer, then you know that the coach desires results off the field also.
As a parent of another ACC student, the admissions criteria at his school for students is well above 3.0 and an average for SAT 1250. I would say my son's admission requirements
were almost to those standards. Most importantly he is able to keep up with academics, well above 3.0. Many of the state universities are RAISING their course standards, and do remember that each recruit is evaluated differently. I agree with VA, it's just not only a Maryland thing going on here.
My son's friend attended Duke and in the bb program, a 4.3 with almost a 1300 SAT. He was barely able up keep up with his classes. Duke teaches on a 1300 SAT level. I can't see a student with a 950 and 2.8 having an easy time. Most of the other ACC schools do not teach on that level.
I have posted this before, find out what level courses are taught at each school, according to new SAT requirements. You can find this out by speaking with anyone in the admissions department. If they teach at a 1200 SAT level and the student has a 960, as intense as the bb programs are, I would think twice whether I would want mine to struggle on the field and in the classroom. Another good question to ask, what is the TEAM average GPA. If you get above 3.0 answer, then you know that the coach desires results off the field also.
Sorry, Bee, I don't agree with you. When Bear started spouting the Duke baseball admissions stats many many months ago (or was it years ago when his son was looking at Duke), I spoke to Coach Philipec (sp?) - the then asst. coach, because I was curious what Duke was doing. He set the record straight for me. In addition, both my daughters graduated from Duke and are friendly with Duke baseball players even now - and Bear's stats are just plain wrong.
VA_Sportsmom:
VA_Sportsmom:
quote:Remember that once you get into a school, you have to keep up!
Very good point. Getting in and staying in are two different things. The athletic department may be able to apply pressure on admissions to land a prospect, but they can't do anything about the grades.
Look beyond admissions requirements to curricula, expectations, currents player trends, etc.
NY Mom,
Nice post!
Nice post!
hmm, "Flip" recruited my son in '02
last time we got into this I too poo-pooed Bear's assertions -
however, when he posted links confirming his numbers and all I could say was - -
"well shut my mouth!"
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last time we got into this I too poo-pooed Bear's assertions -
however, when he posted links confirming his numbers and all I could say was - -
"well shut my mouth!"
.
Poor momandcpa,
Asked about the framework for acceptable grades in college athletics - and in 2 pages she got a "my school is better than your school" diatribe.
Same old same old.
Asked about the framework for acceptable grades in college athletics - and in 2 pages she got a "my school is better than your school" diatribe.
Same old same old.
Schools are only as good as the student makes it. At most schools there are good profs and bad profs. We have a harvard prof running for political office in Toronto. How good can he be? Nice to see some things never change.
A friend of mine coaches high school swimming and so has some experience with the recruting process..although not baseball...so I don't know what this is worth. He told me that there is a percentage of admissions slots (this is for Cal Berkeley..where he gets a lot of swimmers to go) that will take kids with less than 3.0 GPAs. He has been told that if the kid demonstrates academic ability and motivation (and probably attended an academic high school) they will accept the kid. If Cal does this, is it possible other schools do? It's almost not worth worrying about, in a way. My son's grades are not great (cannot get above 2.8). But he's in a very competitive academic school and takes all the right courses. If he's just barely maintaining here, I sure wouldn't want him struggling in college. However, having said that, I always thought college was a lot easier than high school! And my kid is alot brighter than me. So I wouldn't want him to miss out on the college experience he wants simply because his high school grades don't reflect his academic potential. But that's probably just Mom's personal bias.
momandcpa,
If I were you - I would focus on the advice that pertains directly to the research process - and ignore the other stuff.
Good luck.
If I were you - I would focus on the advice that pertains directly to the research process - and ignore the other stuff.
Good luck.
momandcpa......you are correct about the SAT's....FYI....we found a program to help son....an on line tutorial from the Princeton Review. What helped was that....for a baseball player....with games and practices.....he was able to study it....on his time schedule....and it raised his SAT's 200 plus points.
And no...we are not receiving a commission from the sale of this tutorial........it was just so beneficial to son....I bring it up from time to time....
Think TPM's advise about checking schools you are interested in is good...and yes, if you receive academic scholarship money.....chances are good son will have to meet or exceed a given GPA to maintain the scholarship......
And no...we are not receiving a commission from the sale of this tutorial....
....it was just so beneficial to son....I bring it up from time to time....Think TPM's advise about checking schools you are interested in is good...and yes, if you receive academic scholarship money.....chances are good son will have to meet or exceed a given GPA to maintain the scholarship......
momandcpa,
IMO - To approach the process in any other way than what you just posted would put additional risk into the whole equation - and believe me - the recruiting process is difficult enough without throwing another high risk factor in.
JMHO
IMO - To approach the process in any other way than what you just posted would put additional risk into the whole equation - and believe me - the recruiting process is difficult enough without throwing another high risk factor in.
JMHO
Its,
I don't see anything here about "my school is better than your school".
The poster asked a question, my suggestion along with others, check out the schools admissions requirements.
The comments about DUKE, where my son does not go, are not correct. And according to UM admission standards which is in the ACC, my son probably would not have made them for academics. University of Maryland IS NOT the bench mark for the ACC. And I will put a steak dinner up that not every player on that baseball team entered with a 3.2, 1100 SAT. If the statistics are true, like to see them.
It is very true that many of the students who get into some schools bsed on athletic ability (especially out of state), wouldn't get a second look for regular admissions. But if tuition at a school like Duke, UM, even other schools in other conferences like Tulane, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Stanford which are VERY expensive, the coach is going to make sure he has a student that can not only get in but stay in.
I don't see anything here about "my school is better than your school".
The poster asked a question, my suggestion along with others, check out the schools admissions requirements.
The comments about DUKE, where my son does not go, are not correct. And according to UM admission standards which is in the ACC, my son probably would not have made them for academics. University of Maryland IS NOT the bench mark for the ACC. And I will put a steak dinner up that not every player on that baseball team entered with a 3.2, 1100 SAT. If the statistics are true, like to see them.
It is very true that many of the students who get into some schools bsed on athletic ability (especially out of state), wouldn't get a second look for regular admissions. But if tuition at a school like Duke, UM, even other schools in other conferences like Tulane, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Stanford which are VERY expensive, the coach is going to make sure he has a student that can not only get in but stay in.
I agree with TPM. In fact, my son goes to none of these schools. Bear's the one with the agenda. I DO think it's important to challenge MISinformation posted on this site. In this case, Bear is WRONG when he says, "Anyone highly talented HS baseball player with 2.5 GPA and 900 SAT's can get into the other state schools in the Conference [ACC]." For those interested in links confirming numbers, check out NCAA APRs (Academic Progress Rates) for MD (966), Duke (984), or UVA (978); or College Board 50th %ile combined SATs for MD (1180), Duke (1330), and UVA (1220).
In our case we were told that the higher the GPA the lower the SAT score required. In fact one D1 NCAA school told us he only needed a 640 SAT to get accepted because of son's GPA.
He has to maintain a 2.0 GPA to get his scholarship next year. He also had to apply and get accepted (fees waived) before they would tell him his academic money as some one else mentioned.
The other point is that all coaches seemed to be asking about marks before they got into the baseball talks. I got the impression if the marks were no good there was no point in going any further. Also compliance was a big issue.
He has to maintain a 2.0 GPA to get his scholarship next year. He also had to apply and get accepted (fees waived) before they would tell him his academic money as some one else mentioned.
The other point is that all coaches seemed to be asking about marks before they got into the baseball talks. I got the impression if the marks were no good there was no point in going any further. Also compliance was a big issue.
BTW Bear, not to pile on, but did you see today's news? One of the STARTERS from MD Men's basketball team was ruled academically ineligible by the NCAA for the rest of the season. How'd he get by those best-in-the-ACC academic admission standards? Point is, you're misrepresenting the ACC's standards. MD is not above compromise.
TPM,
Just because you dont see something doesnt mean that I dont. Thats what makes it all so interesting IMO.
You know - I never knew that schools like Stanford, Duke, Tulane, Vanderbilt etc...were expensive - and difficult to get into academically. I also never knew that a coach would want to ensure - as best he could - that his players could handle their academics. (At least at the more "expensive" schools)
I am glad you set me straight on those facts.
More importantly - I am glad that there are attempts being made to answer the original question.
Just because you dont see something doesnt mean that I dont. Thats what makes it all so interesting IMO.
You know - I never knew that schools like Stanford, Duke, Tulane, Vanderbilt etc...were expensive - and difficult to get into academically. I also never knew that a coach would want to ensure - as best he could - that his players could handle their academics. (At least at the more "expensive" schools)
I am glad you set me straight on those facts.
More importantly - I am glad that there are attempts being made to answer the original question.
Here we go. LOL
I sure hope this thread is not going to degenerate into a school bashing jamboree.
It appears that is exactly where it is headed.
IMO.
I sure hope this thread is not going to degenerate into a school bashing jamboree.
It appears that is exactly where it is headed.
IMO.
just a relevant clip I came accross
kudos, as it does seem pretty amazing
anyway, da Q's
1) is Toledo attracting smarter kids to campus?
2) is Toledo making the kids on campus smarter?
3) is Toledo the new Ivy of the Heartland?
4) is Toledo recruiting heavily in Maryland?
5) is the faculty inflating grades?
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I hesitate making obsevations for fear of being "labled" somethingquote:Toledo Baseball Excels in the Classroom During 2005 Fall Semester
Twenty-five "baseball players" garnered a 3.0 GPA or better, as the team carried a combined 3.182 GPA
TOLEDO, OH - Since Head Coach Cory Mee's arrival prior to the 2004 season, the Rockets' academic performance has shown dramatic improvement. The baseball program has posted team grade point averages above 3.0 in each of the last four semesters. This past fall, Toledo had 25 student-athletes garner a 3.0 or better, as the team carried a combined 3.182 GPA.
"I was really proud of our team for their achievements in the classroom this past semester," Mee said. "I've always been a firm believer that success in the classroom will transfer into success on the field. It is only a matter of time until that shows up. One of the reasons I believe this is it takes a self-discipline in order to get the work done, and I'm excited to see how that self-discipline in the classroom is going to translate to the performance on the field."
Toledo opens its 2006 season with 15 consecutive road games, beginning on Feb. 24-26 when it travels to Richmond, KY for a three-game series with Eastern Kentucky.
kudos, as it does seem pretty amazing
anyway, da Q's
1) is Toledo attracting smarter kids to campus?
2) is Toledo making the kids on campus smarter?
3) is Toledo the new Ivy of the Heartland?
4) is Toledo recruiting heavily in Maryland?
5) is the faculty inflating grades?
.
First things first. For example DI athletes need to meet academic-eligibility requirements set by the NCAA to participate in athletics. It is based on sliding scale of GPA and SAT/ACT scores. For example, the minimium GPA is 2.0 with a 1010 on the SAT or 21.5 on ACT the GPA is based on core classes(math,english, science & social science) If you have a higher GPA you can score below the 21.5 ACT and 1010 SAT. The college will have totally different guidelines for admissions. DII NCAA standards are different. DII and NAIA do not follow the NCAA stamdards. It is left up to the individual schoolto determine who gets in in.
The "dumb jock" syndrome getting into the school of chocie just does not hold water in todays academic climate. If your grades and scores are lower than another person, it does not mean you can't go to college on some type of aid or scholarship however, it will limit your opportuntities. Coaches want well rounded student-athletes not someone they have to baby sit hoping they make it through academically.
Bottom line..be the best you can be in the classroom and in your particular sport. It will increase your scholarship opportunties greatly.
The "dumb jock" syndrome getting into the school of chocie just does not hold water in todays academic climate. If your grades and scores are lower than another person, it does not mean you can't go to college on some type of aid or scholarship however, it will limit your opportuntities. Coaches want well rounded student-athletes not someone they have to baby sit hoping they make it through academically.
Bottom line..be the best you can be in the classroom and in your particular sport. It will increase your scholarship opportunties greatly.
Bee --
Your "Q's" were pretty funny! Maybe folks need to understand that Toledo is the only Ohio school that has open admissions -- it will take any student with a HS diploma. This actually makes the baseball team's feat even more impressive. Now if only that could translate to the field, as the coach suggests...
Your "Q's" were pretty funny! Maybe folks need to understand that Toledo is the only Ohio school that has open admissions -- it will take any student with a HS diploma. This actually makes the baseball team's feat even more impressive. Now if only that could translate to the field, as the coach suggests...
I agree! but Lhx, maybe they weren't really funny, but on target!!quote:Bee -- Your "Q's" were pretty funny! Maybe folks need to understand that Toledo is the only Ohio school that has open admissions
go bucks
Metro,
Not only are schools and the NCAA raising standards but in the future I will predict that many smaller state universities will become private institutions.
The clearing house guidelines for eligibilty are only guidelines, students still have to pass admissions. When seriously recruiting a student they know how far they can push the envelope to get a student passed admissions. There is more accountability these days with schools raising their standards so must all coaches. As have always stated, if one wishes to attend one of the larger conference schools, grades are a very important factor in determing will caoch take your son or the next recruit.
Its,
You're kidding about not knowing that schools such as Duke, Standford, Notre Dame, Tulane are very costly.
Bee,
Not quite understand your quote about Toledo,
but I do think your questions are funny.
Not only are schools and the NCAA raising standards but in the future I will predict that many smaller state universities will become private institutions.
The clearing house guidelines for eligibilty are only guidelines, students still have to pass admissions. When seriously recruiting a student they know how far they can push the envelope to get a student passed admissions. There is more accountability these days with schools raising their standards so must all coaches. As have always stated, if one wishes to attend one of the larger conference schools, grades are a very important factor in determing will caoch take your son or the next recruit.
Its,
You're kidding about not knowing that schools such as Duke, Standford, Notre Dame, Tulane are very costly.
Bee,
Not quite understand your quote about Toledo,
but I do think your questions are funny.
TPM,
No - I'm not. You see - I have been living in a cave the last 45 years.
It is all new to me. LOL
No - I'm not. You see - I have been living in a cave the last 45 years.
It is all new to me. LOL
quote:Originally posted by NY MOM:
.........I spoke to Coach Philipec (sp?) - the then asst. coach, because I was curious what Duke was doing. He set the record straight for me. .... Bear's stats are just plain wrong.
VA_Sportsmom:
Oh I am sure my friend and former Duke's Asst Coach set you straight! However he was unaware of what the Duke's Admission's has been saying to the parents of those HS players at Junior Day, as visited by several parents of this board (whose son's attend UNC).
quote:Originally posted by VA_Sportsmom:
BTW Bear, not to pile on, but did you see today's news? One of the STARTERS from MD Men's basketball team was ruled academically ineligible by the NCAA for the rest of the season. How'd he get by those best-in-the-ACC academic admission standards? Point is, you're misrepresenting the ACC's standards. MD is not above compromise.
Since unable to read, understand and comprehend my blog that was rather explicit w/r to academics and baseball (vs other ACC men's and womens sports) is there really any reason to respond?
Given the difficult news, many feel for Chris McCray and his Mom (Shirleeta - a pleasant woman). However, NCAA is clear and requires an *** 2.0 GPA in the fall for eligeability in the spring.
It is equally disappointing to note this young man's good college basketball career is complete for the 18th ranked Men's Basketball Terps (6th Ranked Women's Terpettes!).
However, your sensativity, or lack their of, are as noted.
I stand on my post w/r ACC Baseball Academics.
Informed we are,
Thanks Yoda
Thanks Yoda
Bear, "rather explicit" but WRONG, no matter how much you now hide behind "unaware friends". For the sake of the websters here, please stop posting ridiculous assertions (e.g. any talented player only needs a 2.5 GPA and a 900 SAT to get into ACC state schools, except for high-brow MD). It simply is not true and you mislead people who are looking here for guidance. Regarding "lack of sensativity [sic], or lack their of [sic]", your unwarranted jabs at Duke, and your naming of athletes ranks right up there. Why not stick to the nuts and bolts of baseball...
BTW, the Jedi Master expired after naming the "other Skywalker". His time had come and gone.
BTW, the Jedi Master expired after naming the "other Skywalker". His time had come and gone.
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Given the difficult news, many feel for Chris McCray and his Mom (Shirleeta - a pleasant woman). However, NCAA is clear and requires an *** 2.0 GPA in the fall for eligeability in the spring.[QUOTE]
Was it a 2.0 for the Fall or over his 3 1/2 years, I understood the news reports that his current cumulative GPA is below a 2.0 I hope not!
"It is equally disappointing to note this young man's good college basketball career is complete for the 18th ranked Men's Basketball Terps (6th Ranked Women's Terpettes!)."
I think it is more disappointing that he did not get an education and with all the support that an athlete can get that it failed.
Given the difficult news, many feel for Chris McCray and his Mom (Shirleeta - a pleasant woman). However, NCAA is clear and requires an *** 2.0 GPA in the fall for eligeability in the spring.[QUOTE]
Was it a 2.0 for the Fall or over his 3 1/2 years, I understood the news reports that his current cumulative GPA is below a 2.0 I hope not!
"It is equally disappointing to note this young man's good college basketball career is complete for the 18th ranked Men's Basketball Terps (6th Ranked Women's Terpettes!)."
I think it is more disappointing that he did not get an education and with all the support that an athlete can get that it failed.