Grammar

It's scary.

A grammatical mistake I hear ALL the time is: "Me and him are going to practice." Whatever happened to "He and I?" Me never went anywhere. Likewise, him never went to practice. I'm shocked at how commonplace this is.

I aint ever seen as much in my life.

lol

Like, really? Like.

This is not a joke---this is a serious problem with our kids

Actually that was a reference to many kids' inability to speak without injecting "like" after every third word.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
This is not a joke---this is a serious problem with our kids

TR, I do agree.

But the other question that comes to mind is it a serious problem with our Teachers also?

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:

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Originally posted by TRhit:
This is not a joke---this is a serious problem with our kids

TR, I do agree.

But the other question that comes to mind is it a serious problem with our Teachers also?

In my previous life I spent six years at the front of a classroom. IMHO there are many factors at work. However, I personally hold teachers AND parents mostly responsible.

I think texting has added to this.The kids(and adults) use short hand for many words.They text instead of having real conversation.Conversation does help to develop grammar skills.Texting causes people to use horrible grammar.I think computers have don't this as well.I remember as a young child we had to sit and write letters to our grandparents.We had to use proper grammar and our parents proofread it. Now they talk on facebook and they can't even spell.

I blame it on TV - and the resulting lack of time with a nose in a book. Growing up, we didn't have a TV and I read every day. As a result, I was constantly exposed to good writing.

To this day, my grammar checker is how it looks and sounds - I may not know what is wrong with the sentence - but I can sure tell you when isn't right.

I think it's a combination of too much TV and the Texting evolution. I can't tell you how many times I've had to reply with a ??? when I receive a text from my kids! I know some adults are now in the habit of shorthand messaging/texting now too, but I personally have a tough time not spelling my words all the way out. I've had plenty of instances where my answer to my kids text was...CALL ME!

A while back a young player came and posted a question in text language with poor grammer (he was asking about getting into D1 program) I made a comment about how he presented himself and got blasted for not receiving him well.

I am a firm believer that how one presents themselves in serious discussion to another is important in the impression you give to that person. Some people have the gift of gab and others the gift of writing to express themselves properly, some don't, but I don't see this as our youth being in serious trouble.

Teach your kids to use the pc correctly when writing and use spell check. When filling out applications and questionaires go over it with them, however let them do it themselves. BTW, did the player fill out the app or did the parent? I give more credit to a player taking care of his own business and making a small mistake than mom and dad doing it for them.

BTW, girls are better spellers than boys, who excel more in math and science.

I agree that poor grammer and spelling is a result of quick messaging and texting, but this is the world they live in and IMO, kids are much smarter than most adults these days, so again I don't see it as a problem.

I use predictive on my phone to spell, I am getting to the point where I myself really don't remember the rules, you know like i before e except after c and all of that meaningless stuff in a very differnt time than whe I was growing up(this from a former grade school teacher)!

We should worry about grammatically correct English as soon as English is deemed the official language of our Country. JMO

Press 1 for English, Press 2 if you are looking for English training.

I take it you meant grammar instead of grammer. And "one" does not present "themselves" ;-) Sorry couldn't resist.

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Originally posted by TPM:
A while back a young player came and posted a question in text language with poor grammer (he was asking about getting into D1 program) I made a comment about how he presented himself and got blasted for not receiving him well.

I am a firm believer that how one presents themselves in serious discussion to another is important in the impression you give to that person. Some people have the gift of gab and others the gift of writing to express themselves properly, some don't, but I don't see this as our youth being in serious trouble.

Teach your kids to use the pc correctly when writing and use spell check. When filling out applications and questionaires go over it with them, however let them do it themselves. BTW, did the player fill out the app or did the parent? I give more credit to a player taking care of his own business and making a small mistake than mom and dad doing it for them.

BTW, girls are better spellers than boys, who excel more in math and science.

I agree that poor grammer and spelling is a result of quick messaging and texting, but this is the world they live in and IMO, kids are much smarter than most adults these days, so again I don't see it as a problem.

I use predictive on my phone to spell, I am getting to the point where I myself really don't remember the rules, you know like i before e except after c and all of that meaningless stuff in a very differnt time than whe I was growing up(this from a former grade school teacher)!

Thankfully my grammar roots are in 8 years of Catholic Grammar school and those roots do not die easily.

Watch the news streams on TV now and see how many spelling and grammar errors you find.

My sister is a high school teacher and her students turn in papers that are written in text style format, such as B4 for the word before. She hands the papers back ungraded and tells them that is unacceptable. I hope all teachers do that.

The other aspect that is failing is handwriting---kids do not write anymore

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I don't know what it is---texting--no writing etc

I watch the forms we receive and a kid with a 3.5 GPA cannot write correctly--no punctuation--incorrect verbs--

The weird part is that is IF you look at the news columns on websites you seem the same thing

Where are our kids heading?

Is this post properly puncuated?

C U L8tr

I told my kids I won't respond to text messages and emails that aren't written in proper English. I broke them of using the word "like" by only reponding, "Did like happen or did it really happen?" They got the point. I've told them how they communicate will often determine how others perceive their intelligence.

I've always been under the assumption reporters went to journalism school and certain points of eloquence are taught. Then I read a news article and wonder about how some sentences can come out of a person's mind AND get past a proof reader.

The other day I was in Panera. I couldn't help but overhear the conversation next to me. I finally couldn't help myself. I asked the two people their age (late twenties). I then informed them they used "like" in every sentence for the past five minutes. They didn't like understand the point.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
The other aspect that is failing is handwriting---kids do not write anymore

I can't remember the last time I wrote more than notes in a meeting.

You prove my point and it is even worse now with the youth

"We're versing you guys tonight!"

I hear this all the time now (not from my own kids, thankfully), and it drives me absolutely crazy.

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Originally posted by Krakatoa:
"We're versing you guys tonight!"

Krak, Does that mean the other team is writing poetry about your team?

Unfortunately I remember my parents being frustrated with some of my sentence structure and word use when I was a kid and I can remember my Grandmother backing me up by telling my Mom that she didn't always practice every English rule the nuns taught her. From the beginning of the time the written language has evolved and "allowed" alternatives to pop up all the time. We can't stop it and can only hope to contain it. I'd rather have a text from my kids in "shorthand" than not have one at all.

I think what we have today is a society that is not only built on speed, but, the mechanisms (texting, email) that enables those practices. IMO, many times we are the unexpected victim of our own technical advances .

Lets not forget our own IMO, IMHO, FWIW, JMO.......guilty as charged.

LOL OMG IDK ROFLMAO

WTF?!

I remember a Bazooka Joe comic from a pack of baseball cards forty-five years ago.

MOTHER: There are some words I wish you wouldn't use. One is "swell" and the other is "lousy."

JOE: Which one is swell?

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Originally posted by rz1:

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Originally posted by Krakatoa:
"We're versing you guys tonight!"

Krak, Does that mean the other team is writing poetry about your team?

Unfortunately I remember my parents being frustrated with some of my sentence structure and word use when I was a kid and I can remember my Grandmother backing me up by telling my Mom that she didn't always practice every English rule the nuns taught her. From the beginning of the time the written language has evolved and "allowed" alternatives to pop up all the time. We can't stop it and can only hope to contain it. I'd rather have a text from my kids in "shorthand" than not have one at all.

I think what we have today is a society that is not only built on speed, but, the mechanisms (texting, email) that enables those practices. IMO, many times we are the unexpected victim of our own technical advances .

Lets not forget our own IMO, IMHO, FWIW, JMO.......guilty as charged.

BTW, ROFLMAO

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Originally posted by cball:

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I don't know what it is---texting--no writing, etc.

I watch the forms we receive and a kid with a 3.5 GPA cannot write correctly--no punctuation--incorrect verbs-- (sentences should end with periods not dashes)

The weird part is that is IF you look at the news columns on websites you seemsee the same thing.

Where are our kids heading?

Is this post properly puncuated?

C U L8tr

thnks!

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Originally posted by TPM:

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Originally posted by cball:

quote:

Originally posted by TRhit:
I don't know what it is---texting--no writing, etc.

I watch the forms we receive and a kid with a 3.5 GPA cannot write correctly--no punctuation--incorrect verbs-- (sentences should end with periods not dashes)

The weird part is that is IF you look at the news columns on websites you seemsee the same thing.

Where are our kids heading?

Is this post properly puncuated?

C U L8tr

thnks!

Ouch. Something about glass houses and rocks?

gonefishin,

That's stones, not rocks!

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"The other aspect that is failing is handwriting---kids do not write anymore"

THE KIDS TODAY DO NOT WRITE ENOUGH !!!!!




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Originally posted by TPM:
gonefishin,

That's stones, not rocks!

I flunkt Geeologee and Anglish all to oncet. I s'pect I uz jest gone fishin when they teached it.

"Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks"

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There's always time to catch up on your schooling gonefishin.

May I recommend a book to you?








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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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There's always time to catch up on your schooling gonefishin.

May I recommend a book to you?







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Fish. Schooling.

Schooling fish. Clever.


One fish two fish red fish blue fish.
I bet I read that book 10,000 times to my boys.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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"The other aspect that is failing is handwriting---kids do not write anymore"

THE KIDS TODAY DO NOT WRITE ENOUGH !!!!!




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Woody,
U R 2 funeeeee!

Hello there Ned,
How do you do?
Tell me, tell me
what is new?
How are things
...in your little ____
What is new?
Please tell me, Ned

I do not like
this bed at all.
A lot of things
have come to call.
A ___, a ___, a ___, a ___
Oh! What a bed! Oh! What a house!

___ (fill in the blank)

Love,
Grandpi Bear

May I interrupt all of this fun and frivolity, Mr. woodman, to address the handwriting issue? TR has it right. Kids don't write "right" anymore. Actually, young adults don't either, and that is sadly creeping up to the young 30-somethings. You probably all know that.

When I compete to become Miss America, my platform will be "The Lost Art of Handwriting". I've been working as a "day laborer"/substitute teacher for way too many years and I've seen the steady decline of handwriting--from cursive to printing--but kids always at least held their pen correctly. Not any longer. At least in the schools that I sub in, the kindergarten teachers don't even teach the kids how to hold a pencil. I'm pretty sure that preschool teachers don't, either. So kids never learn to hold a pencil properly, and if no one corrects them at a young age, it's very difficult to change.

Last year, I taught a summer school class in "handwriting". I actually had 9 kids, ranging in class from 3rd to 6th. This past school year, I've tutored 3 kids in handwriting. I'm currently tutoring a rising 8th grade boy.

My daughter took the ACT test in June. She reported that there is a writing section in which cursive is required. The proctor of the test announced that if anyone did not know how to write in cursive to please see her. My daughter was very tempted to see what would happen to tell me, but she couldn't.

I remember years ago, when I got on this handwriting kick, telling an 8th grader who did not want to do his classwork in class because he wanted to use a computer, that he wouldn't be able to carry around a computer. He disagreed and said yes, a laptop. I told him, well, you can't carry around a printer. There still is a need to actually write stuff.

I was told that my school district was no longer going to teach cursive. How will we ever read the founding documents, which are all written in fancy cursive? It's very scary to me.

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Hello there, Ned,
How do you do?
Tell me, tell me
what is new?
How are things
in your little bed?
What is new?
Please tell me Ned.
I do not like
this bed at all.
a lot of things
have come to call.
A cow, a dog, a cat, a mouse.
Oh! What a bed! Oh! What a house!

Fini!




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I always correct my teammates grammar

Also, I know plenty of adults who have bad grammar.

my grammar is ok, but my grammpa is the best.