How do you take a job as an assistant and not know what the Head Coach is all about?-- Home work is in order before saying I will take the job
1) playing isn't necessarily a prerequisite to being a good coachquote:by c-bird: the head baseball coach did not even play baseball in high school..he coached at some school for three years before and won 4 games total...our school is more of a football school but i hate to lose and i hate to see kids taught something that is not right..im not saying i know everything but i am going to struggle working with this guy...how do you coach high school ball and not know what a pick off is
2) IF your accessment is on target, then he's obviously doing it for the money
3) IF doing it for the money, he'd come out ahead being a greeter at walmart
4) maybe you could help with the pick-off move drills
5) IF ya bash your boss on a national message board, don't be surprised to be fired on a national message board?
A buddy of mine was hired at a high school and was in the same situation you seemed to be in coachbyrd. All he did was tried to back the head coach at times he needed backing and tried to tell him the ideas and things he wanted to see them work on in practice. This coach he worked under knew he knew nothing about baseball, even told some people that. After 2 years the coach was fired and because of his time he put in and the fact that he never bad mouthed him he got the job. He taught what he knew and never stepped on the toes of the coach and is now a good coach in a good program.
So my suggestion is buy your time teach what you know, keep learning and don't step on someone's toes, there was a reason he got the job, some reason but a reason, and if he is as bad as you say there will be some reason he will be released.
So my suggestion is buy your time teach what you know, keep learning and don't step on someone's toes, there was a reason he got the job, some reason but a reason, and if he is as bad as you say there will be some reason he will be released.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
FOB
What is your point?
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Bee got it head on.
The coach is most likely trying to help out some kids, so if you know SOOOO much about baseball help him out, don't post a question that has no answer a message board.
BOF
Who said I know sooooooooo much? YOU?
Another "Fool on the Hill" with a new name--or is it the same one ?
It is truly scarey when posters use numerous IDS to post behind the screen--those with confidence can use their true ID and not multiple internet IDS---BOF you are one insecure individual
Who said I know sooooooooo much? YOU?
Another "Fool on the Hill" with a new name--or is it the same one ?
It is truly scarey when posters use numerous IDS to post behind the screen--those with confidence can use their true ID and not multiple internet IDS---BOF you are one insecure individual
I was at a Tom House pitching clinic a few years back and this topic came up. Tom offered that from his perspective that as your child goes from Little League to High School, College, Minor League and Majors that each step of the way you would like to think the coaching gets better when in fact it gets worse. He was serious. One lesson from that comment might be to get used to it.
Of course Tom offerred that assesment when he was a consultant. He may have another opinion now that he is the pitching coach at UCLA.
Finally, now that its the end of the year it might be a good time for awards. I would like to nominate TR for the Bluto Blutarsky award for starting the most food fights on this site. Any seconds or other nominations?
Of course Tom offerred that assesment when he was a consultant. He may have another opinion now that he is the pitching coach at UCLA.
Finally, now that its the end of the year it might be a good time for awards. I would like to nominate TR for the Bluto Blutarsky award for starting the most food fights on this site. Any seconds or other nominations?
I never said i knew alot about baseball...it is his team not mine...it is my job to help out which i will do...all i did was ask if anyone had been in a situation like this before...i was just looking for advice... i dont want to take over but there are certain things every ball player should be taught and they cant be taught if the coach doesnt know everything....he never even played ball....thank those of you who understood the question and didnt feel the need to knock me for asking
CoachByrd:
Don't worry too much about what your head coach doesn't know. Just do your dead level best to get as much info to the kids as you can... You don't have to go against him if you can get him to agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Use your experience as a good thing for the players... not as a hammer to get your way.
Example: If he's not up to par on balks, you say to him, how about I take a few minutes today to go over some balk stuff with the pitchers??? Or coach, carve me out some time in the next day or two to go over balk stuff with everybody so our baserunners and pitchers will be up to snuff.
Let's find a positive here: you can instruct him right along with them... he's going to see that you have experience that he doesn't have...
By the end of the year he could learn a lot and you two might be a good team (he may have organizational skills or personnel skills you can gain from)....
Good luck and stay positive...
Don't worry too much about what your head coach doesn't know. Just do your dead level best to get as much info to the kids as you can... You don't have to go against him if you can get him to agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Use your experience as a good thing for the players... not as a hammer to get your way.
Example: If he's not up to par on balks, you say to him, how about I take a few minutes today to go over some balk stuff with the pitchers??? Or coach, carve me out some time in the next day or two to go over balk stuff with everybody so our baserunners and pitchers will be up to snuff.
Let's find a positive here: you can instruct him right along with them... he's going to see that you have experience that he doesn't have...
By the end of the year he could learn a lot and you two might be a good team (he may have organizational skills or personnel skills you can gain from)....
Good luck and stay positive...
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
BOF
Who said I know sooooooooo much? YOU?
Another "Fool on the Hill" with a new name--or is it the same one ?
It is truly scarey when posters new numerous IDS to post behind the screen--those with confidenc ecan use their true ID and not multiples internet IDS---BOF you are one insecure individual
I will be very careful with my words TR since I have read some of your posts and you have been here quite some time and seem to have some insight. (food fights aside)
1. I have been on this site for about 6 months and have received some good advice regarding my son’s baseball experience. I have also received advice that I take with a grain of salt.
2. I have had only one posting name. BOF. It is as public as I want it to be to protect my son’s identity for obvious reasons. I frankly think it is fairly creative acronym. (see number 5 below)
3. I have PM’d others and have been very open, even giving out my phone number.
4. I apologize if my post appeared to criticize you, but it was directed to the original poster. Read it again and maybe you can see where I was going with it. As a general comment please read my posts (and maybe others) thoroughly before jumping the gun.
5. I may be many things, but insecure is not one of them. I admit that I can be quite facetious. My wife will be more than happy to give you a list of my many personality flaws.
6. I have a particular sensitivity to the amount of work it takes to manage a baseball team and coach kids and frankly am sick and tired or parents, posters and others criticizing coaches who put in many many many hours of work on behalf of kids. They may not be perfect, but most are doing the best they can. Like most things in life you will never know what it is like until you walk in their shoes.
If I wanted to offend you I would have posted something like “ Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry” (darn number 5 again)
Merry Christmas!
BOF,
My wife has a pretty good list built up too.
Fortunately, she'll usually only share it with me.
My wife has a pretty good list built up too.
Fortunately, she'll usually only share it with me.
As in any occupation, there are good and there are bad. The situation can be more complicated in big football areas, where sometimes a football asst. coach is "volunteered" to coach baseball whether he wants to or not, and whether or not he has the qualifications.
Goodness knows, however, none of the HS coaches are in it for the money.
If you have a good one, appreciate them that much more...
Goodness knows, however, none of the HS coaches are in it for the money.
If you have a good one, appreciate them that much more...
quote:I would like to nominate TR for the Bluto Blutarsky award for starting the most food fights on this site.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.
quote:5. I may be many things, but insecure is not one of them.
me too .. at least I don't think so
I do appologize if I came across that way ...
I'll try to do better in the future ... if possible
sorry for the rant
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
BOF,
My wife has a pretty good list built up too.
Fortunately, she'll usually only share it with me.
It's the USUALLY
Now that we (I) have totally hijacked this thread I think Trojan-Skipper gave you the most succinct answer.
As you are probably aware, running a successful baseball program takes lots of people beyond the head coach. Since you were a pitcher, you probably know a lot about pitching. Offer to set up the schools pitching program from Frosh to Varsity, or find a place that you can make a difference to the program.
Everyone has the same objective find a spot where you can contribute the most and assist in getting him some support from others where he needs some help.
Good Luck!
As you are probably aware, running a successful baseball program takes lots of people beyond the head coach. Since you were a pitcher, you probably know a lot about pitching. Offer to set up the schools pitching program from Frosh to Varsity, or find a place that you can make a difference to the program.
Everyone has the same objective find a spot where you can contribute the most and assist in getting him some support from others where he needs some help.
Good Luck!
Since this thread has already been hijacked by the "you don't know nothing and every high school coach in the country knows more than you because they do and that is that and you are stupid even if you are in the MLB Hall of Fame you are a baseball stupid parent because you dare to question the competence of any High School Coach" crowd I have a simple question for discussion for the sane who wish to respond.
How are high school coaches selected in your state and are there any minimum competence or other requrements?
I will start with West Virginia. High School coaches are selected by the County superintendent who is usually, unless there is some point of controversy, rubber stamping the suggestion of the High School's Athletic Director. But there are some restrictions involved. First, any employee of the school system has priority over any person employed outside of the school system REGARDLESS OF TRAINING, BACKGROUND, OR ANYTHING ELSE. So anytime any parent/teacher wants to coach, they can boot out even the most long tenured coach who is not an employee of the school system (the only exception I know of being for registered *** offenders). That is it. They never had to play baseball, study baseball or "done their homework before taking the job". And I have seen it abused so many times by a parent/teacher it makes me sick. But West Virginia must be in the dark ages, right? I am certain you folks from other states can point out to me how the system of selection in your state is far superior, always fair and inevitably ends up with the most qualified person for the job, right?
TW344
How are high school coaches selected in your state and are there any minimum competence or other requrements?
I will start with West Virginia. High School coaches are selected by the County superintendent who is usually, unless there is some point of controversy, rubber stamping the suggestion of the High School's Athletic Director. But there are some restrictions involved. First, any employee of the school system has priority over any person employed outside of the school system REGARDLESS OF TRAINING, BACKGROUND, OR ANYTHING ELSE. So anytime any parent/teacher wants to coach, they can boot out even the most long tenured coach who is not an employee of the school system (the only exception I know of being for registered *** offenders). That is it. They never had to play baseball, study baseball or "done their homework before taking the job". And I have seen it abused so many times by a parent/teacher it makes me sick. But West Virginia must be in the dark ages, right? I am certain you folks from other states can point out to me how the system of selection in your state is far superior, always fair and inevitably ends up with the most qualified person for the job, right?
TW344
igball
If you don't even know where Tom House how can anyone debate with you---House is at USC not UCLA
If you don't even know where Tom House how can anyone debate with you---House is at USC not UCLA
thanks. i knew the mash potatoes were on their way.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
BOF
Who said I know sooooooooo much? YOU?
Another "Fool on the Hill" with a new name--or is it the same one ?
It is truly scarey when posters new numerous IDS to post behind the screen--those with confidenc ecan use their true ID and not multiples internet IDS---BOF you are one insecure individual
TR how can anyone debate with you if you can not spell.....
igball: got my vote
So if a kid goes to a camp at the college he committed to, and makes some minor adjustments to his swing as recommended at that camp, what does the kid do when HS coach (who never played HS ball)tells him that what he is doing now is incorrect?
