Yes they can but how far can they go with offers----they cannot talk publicly about a recruit until such time as he is signed
This is the hypocrisy of the NCAA
Having a 2010, this is all very confusing! I realize that NCAA prohibits contact other than a questionnaire, but kids are getting offers? I also realize you must be proactive in the process, but jeez - my kid is a sophomore, how do you know what the right fit will be in 3+ years. I agree that as a parent I am to offer guidance, but I need guidance to offer the guidance!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Keep in mind that according to NCAA Rules the college coach cannot talk to the player until July 1st after the HS junior year thus the super early committment may not necessarily be mutual---
There are many ways around this, player can call coach, parent can call coach, college coach can contact HS or summer coach, etc... Bottom line, if the school is interested you will know about it.
You are right that a verbal commitment might not be mutual. I verbally committed to play basketball at the University of Kentucky when I was a kid but they didn't seem to care. I can't imagine why
Perhaps, the NCAA , instead of worrying about scholarship numbers et al should be concerned with how people circumvent the rules that now exist and trust me there is a lot of it going on
TR- Everyone here has something to offer, becasue it shows all perspectives usually based on personal experiences, however when you say "personal attacks will abound" I don't believe that they are acceptable. A personal attack on another is as homerun04 said, "silly". There is no SLANDER FELLOW POSTERS topic, for a reason. While I don't agree with TPM all the time, her experience and the time she takes to help others, is invaluable. Her son successfully went thru the process and there is alot she can share. The fact that Mr. Pincus states she talks to the coach "every other day" shows that she has reliable sources. And while he also states that her "personal experiences are not the same as everyone else", they may be appropriate for anothers situation. TR also has alot of personal experiences to share which influence his views. I would never consider a comment from him, "dumb".
quote:It's my understanding that college coaches can talk to players any time they are on campus for an unofficial visit -- and this includes sophomore and junior years
True! --- And freshmen and any other grade for that matter. Same goes for parent/player initiated phone calls. It's ironic --- The NCAA "no contact until July 1 restriction" is placed on coaches to limit their ability to recruit and "pressure" underclassmen. Of course ALL parents of underclassmen want to know where their sons stand in the recruiting ride and what better way to find out than make an unofficial visit and get into a recruiting discussion with the coach ----- Then come back with a big smile and "complain" about the coaches pressuring them to sign
.Fungo
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Keep in mind that according to NCAA Rules the college coach cannot talk to the player until July 1st after the HS junior year thus the super early committment may not necessarily be mutual---
I dont really understand your constant reference to when a player can be contacted as if something is always amiss. How hard is it for a college coach to call a hs coach or travel coach and say have that family call me or setup a visit for that family. How hard is it to go to a colleges camp and have a dialogue there that leads to further conversation within the rules.
What I find interesting is that the recruiting timeline on this site which everyone on here utilizes lends itself to the early contacts many of you now seem to question.
"Pro Tryouts, Showcases and play the highest level of competition you can" Doesn't each of these lead to being seen and quite possibly being recruited early???
"Pro Tryouts, Showcases and play the highest level of competition you can" Doesn't each of these lead to being seen and quite possibly being recruited early???
Hello Coach May hows everything going? Fine Coach and you? Doing great. How is Johnny doing? Hes doing good working hard. Can you have Johnny give me a call? Sure coach.
Hello Showcase Team Coach hows it going? Fine Coach and you? Hey could you have Johnny give us a call? Sure coach.
Hey Johnny I hear State U is interested in you. Really Tommy? Yeah I talked to Coach Smith and they want you to come on an unofficial visit. Man thats great. Why dont you give them and call? Ok I will.
Hey Coach this is Johnny hows it going? Fine Johnny how are you? Fine coach. I was wondering if I could come on an unofficial vist this Saturday? Sure how about 1:00 at the field? Thats great coach see you then.
Hey Johnny thanks for coming by. Hey coach. So you seen enough? Sure have coach I really like it here. Do you want to go ahead and verbal to us? Sure do. Congrats Johnny welcome aboard!
Whats so hard to understand about this.
Hello Showcase Team Coach hows it going? Fine Coach and you? Hey could you have Johnny give us a call? Sure coach.
Hey Johnny I hear State U is interested in you. Really Tommy? Yeah I talked to Coach Smith and they want you to come on an unofficial visit. Man thats great. Why dont you give them and call? Ok I will.
Hey Coach this is Johnny hows it going? Fine Johnny how are you? Fine coach. I was wondering if I could come on an unofficial vist this Saturday? Sure how about 1:00 at the field? Thats great coach see you then.
Hey Johnny thanks for coming by. Hey coach. So you seen enough? Sure have coach I really like it here. Do you want to go ahead and verbal to us? Sure do. Congrats Johnny welcome aboard!
Whats so hard to understand about this.
Good job, Coach May.
All this talk about committing 2 years early is really mind boggeling for those of us left out here in the baseball world that do not have a player that is "One of the best in the country"
Fine, those "best in the country" guys evidently know what they want two or three years prior to signing. My 09 has just started the process and learned a lot from his brother going through this last year. He is getting plenty of attention and hopefuly he will reach his goal of playing ball in college. I can say that there are not any on this site that even know who he is right now, but you just might in a couple of years. If you end up where you what to be, what is the rush?? I just don't want the folks coming on to this site to be freaked out by the sense of urgency being created by super early committments.
I say keep working hard, stay focused on your goal, and try to have some fun!
All this talk about committing 2 years early is really mind boggeling for those of us left out here in the baseball world that do not have a player that is "One of the best in the country"
Fine, those "best in the country" guys evidently know what they want two or three years prior to signing. My 09 has just started the process and learned a lot from his brother going through this last year. He is getting plenty of attention and hopefuly he will reach his goal of playing ball in college. I can say that there are not any on this site that even know who he is right now, but you just might in a couple of years. If you end up where you what to be, what is the rush?? I just don't want the folks coming on to this site to be freaked out by the sense of urgency being created by super early committments.
I say keep working hard, stay focused on your goal, and try to have some fun!
Okay CM, you lost me, who's Tommy? 
Seriously, I don't see any conspiracy that is circumventing the NCAA rules here.
Seriously, I don't see any conspiracy that is circumventing the NCAA rules here.
quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
I can say that there are not any on this site that even know who he is right now, but you just might in a couple of years.
*waving his hand frantically back and forth and muttering "ooh ooh" from the back row
Yes CPLZ, you have a guess?
Yes, yes I do moderator. Is it Tommy?
Pssst...I think Coach May let it slip
Yeah!
CPLZ gets the prize! iheartbb's 09's autograph - where shall we send it?
Good job CPLZ!
CPLZ gets the prize! iheartbb's 09's autograph - where shall we send it?
Good job CPLZ!
I've always been told I'm outstanding in my own field...send it there.
You got it CPLZ!
I always thought that saying had something to do with cows
I always thought that saying had something to do with cows
How Do you THINK he does it.
I don't know,
What makes him so good.
He's got an offer,
There must been a Twist,
He got an OFFER!!
And He's only TEN??
EH
I don't know,
What makes him so good.
He's got an offer,
There must been a Twist,
He got an OFFER!!
And He's only TEN??
EH
Talking about Cows and Fields got me to thinking
About the Haying process and how they can't use the Big Round Bales anymore??
The Cows can't get a SQUARE MEAL.
EH
About the Haying process and how they can't use the Big Round Bales anymore??
The Cows can't get a SQUARE MEAL.
EH
Florida Baseball Guy,
" LOL. It will be my personal crusade to let you know when you make a dumb comment. "
Not on this site, it won't. Your post to TPM in page 4 of this thread is so very rude and inappropriate on several levels. Please stop that.
Julie
" LOL. It will be my personal crusade to let you know when you make a dumb comment. "
Not on this site, it won't. Your post to TPM in page 4 of this thread is so very rude and inappropriate on several levels. Please stop that.
Julie
MN-Mom
You have a PM!
You have a PM!
Agree MN-Mom
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
H3, what part of NC? I'll be in Winston-Salem in Jan.
I'm about a hour away from Winston.... I'll be up in Jersey for part of the month, but maybe we can meet up if the timing is right.
For the people who have an instinctive feel for the answer, what percentage of baseball verbals before the official visits start actually stick? Don't factor in players who sign rather than attend college.
With an older daughter I'm more familar with the softball side where verbals usually stick. The coaches are already "pursuing" (see Coach May's post) the 2010's. Maybe the difference is girl's physically mature sooner offering a better picture of the future by soph year/age sixteen.
With an older daughter I'm more familar with the softball side where verbals usually stick. The coaches are already "pursuing" (see Coach May's post) the 2010's. Maybe the difference is girl's physically mature sooner offering a better picture of the future by soph year/age sixteen.
RJM,
From my experience I have rarely - if ever - seen a player deverbal. I have seen coaches find a better player and take the scholarship off the table even after the player accepted it.
The problem is once the player accepts a verbal offer than other colleges take him off their list. When the college coach (and there are only a few who would do this) takes away the scholarship the player is lost and in trouble. I also do not feel a player should decommit from a college, as that is not fair to the university.
The key is to not commit until you are sure that the school is the right choice - whatever it is.
From my experience I have rarely - if ever - seen a player deverbal. I have seen coaches find a better player and take the scholarship off the table even after the player accepted it.
The problem is once the player accepts a verbal offer than other colleges take him off their list. When the college coach (and there are only a few who would do this) takes away the scholarship the player is lost and in trouble. I also do not feel a player should decommit from a college, as that is not fair to the university.
The key is to not commit until you are sure that the school is the right choice - whatever it is.
It seems to me that if there is any pressure to committ early it would come from the coaches. They have much to gain and not much to lose. Where a player has little to gain (maybe piece of mind) and much to lose. Coaching changes, Stud recruit at your position, Coach pulls offer, Admissions.
I suppose for the studs maybe it is less risky.
I suppose for the studs maybe it is less risky.
Triple Dad,
I agree 100 percent. The coaches are pressuring the players to commit three years before they are starting college. To me that is ridicululous; yet it is done because the players are afraid the offer won't be there in three years.
I agree 100 percent. The coaches are pressuring the players to commit three years before they are starting college. To me that is ridicululous; yet it is done because the players are afraid the offer won't be there in three years.
Over the weekend that question was asked of a D1 coach and he said he didn't know but he'd guess that 99.5% of verbals are followed through on. He said it was a matter of honesty and trust. This was a coach with a pretty good reputation for being honest with recruits and players so I don't know how representative he is.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
Over the weekend that question was asked of a D1 coach and he said he didn't know but he'd guess that 99.5% of verbals are followed through on. He said it was a matter of honesty and trust. This was a coach with a pretty good reputation for being honest with recruits and players so I don't know how representative he is.
From ones I heard that did not go through was possibly due to the school not being able to get the player into the school (even after doing a pre-admission check) or other family change situations vs the player or school changing their minds.