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I personally saw the pictures of Molina and later got to know him. He was much farther away from the plate than 30 ft.
Please leave it Professional baseball to teach or order throwing at players. It has no part in Little League / High School / College baseball. They are not equiped to handle how to do it properly nor brawls that can follow.
Please discourage it.
quote:Originally posted by LOW337:
LT said:
I want one of you guys (TR or Texan) to tell Tiger he needs to get rabbit ears when the camera click goes off at the top of his backswing.
Larry,
Golfers would not mind any noise if crowd noise was part of the game. Which it is not. Not a good comparison.
Jeff said:
I or no one I have coached with has ever told a pitcher to hit a batter. But I would never tell a pitcher not to hit one if he needed to.
Jeff,
Completely insane. I am very qualified to speak on this subject. Baseball has been my only job my whole life....Not discouraging KIDS from throwing at hitters is crazy. They don't know where the ball is going. Someone could get hit in the face/head and be seriously hurt. There is no part of throwing at guys in any organized baseball unless it is PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL.
There they throw at guys to protect their own. To protect the way the game is to be played. To keep opposing team from being disrespectful from showing other players up. .....has no part in the game of which you speak......remember Wichita State/Evansville????....the kid could have been killed!!!!!.....as in dead......Some people are unreal.......
As far as the chatter thing.....come on.....if it's not personal let them play...they are just having fun.....as said before....much ado about nothing......
I would be more concerned about all of the IGNORANT things I've heard Little League coaches say/teach Little League players......and you guys are worried about a KID SAYING TO ANOTHER KID...."hey batter batter..".....and OH MY GOD....HE JUST TOLD LITTLE JOHNNY TO SWING.....come on.....teach them how to run cuts/relays....rundowns.....bunt defense.....PLAY CATCH.....so men like Tex don't have to RETEACH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........
LOW...have you been to a little league baseball game in a while? Noise is not a factor. It would not have been a good comparison had I made this thread about pro ball. This being little league, the TIGER comment is right on point.
I would say the guys who played 17-18 for me for 15 years learned how to "run cuts/relays....rundowns.....bunt defense.....PLAY CATCH.....", and didn't have to yell swing during the batter's AB either.
The kids grow out of it....
fans cheer at little league games....it is not totally quiet when a kid hits..........
It is totally quiet at a golf match prior to them hitting the ball....
comparison not goood.....
I do this for a living.....i wouldn't let you near my team or child......
fans cheer at little league games....it is not totally quiet when a kid hits..........
It is totally quiet at a golf match prior to them hitting the ball....
comparison not goood.....
I do this for a living.....i wouldn't let you near my team or child......
quote:Originally posted by LOW337:
The kids grow out of it....
fans cheer at little league games....it is not totally quiet when a kid hits..........
It is totally quiet at a golf match prior to them hitting the ball....
comparison not goood.....
I do this for a living.....i wouldn't let you near my team or child......
You do what for a living? You wouldn't let me near your team or kids?
Check your pm
OK...thanks.
back at ya LOW. your identity is safe with me.
I've always taught my kids that chatter is a HUGE part of baseball. BUT it is not part of the game to talk to the other team. Chatter is necessary to keep you and your teammates up and into the game. Talk to your teammates, talk to yourself, talk to the ground. Just don't talk to the other team.
Around here the youngsters used to yell "Rally, Rally, Pitcher's Name is Sally!" Obviously that would go against my teaching. So they came up with "Rally, Rally, Hit it in the Alley!"
Sounds good right? We found an umpire that told my team to stop yelling that chant because it sounds like the "Sally" one. I thought that was a little much.
We also had an umpire who said "Quit chanting, you're giving me a headache." Now, that one, I agreed with!
Around here the youngsters used to yell "Rally, Rally, Pitcher's Name is Sally!" Obviously that would go against my teaching. So they came up with "Rally, Rally, Hit it in the Alley!"
Sounds good right? We found an umpire that told my team to stop yelling that chant because it sounds like the "Sally" one. I thought that was a little much.
We also had an umpire who said "Quit chanting, you're giving me a headache." Now, that one, I agreed with!
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If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above? If it takes that kind of behavior to win a game then the team must not have a lot going for it in the talent and hustle departments!
There are more than one or two things that occur at 9-12 that you don't see at HS or above, in case you haven't noticed.
quote:Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above? If it takes that kind of behavior to win a game then the team must not have a lot going for it in the talent and hustle departments!
You're missing what Texan, TR and myself are talking about....The kids outgrow it.....It's fun to them and harmless to others.....Let them have a little fun.....trust me, they would much rather play the game by themselves and have fun doing so....they are 8 and 9 yrs old....let them be 8 and 9......it will only promote the type of behavior you let it promote.....just because they chant h b b b s b doesn't mean they will become bush league punks......I promise....
It is official...something has got to give. TR, TEXAN, and LOW all say it is fine. We have 13 players on our 7-8 team. 11 of the 12 players' parents (not mine of course) have told me since last Saturday how much they appreciated me stopping the chant. They said they don't want their sons talking to the other team, they want them concentrating on the baseball field. They all feel that the kids can have plenty of fun doing something other than try to distract the other team's players. Gentlemen, I think you are outnumbered on this one.
larry
I did not know that this was a contest---you asked for opinions and you got them---what more do you want ?
You are unreal--ask a question and turn it into a contest---
I did not know that this was a contest---you asked for opinions and you got them---what more do you want ?
You are unreal--ask a question and turn it into a contest---
Larry,
I guess every one has a different view.
I always told my boys that if the other team wants to say stuff like that - they should oblige them - and swing if the pitch is in the zone. And hit it into the parking lot behind the centerfield fence.
Then - the next time they are up - the other team just might change their chant to - "Dont swing batter batter - please dont swing".
LOL
I guess every one has a different view.
I always told my boys that if the other team wants to say stuff like that - they should oblige them - and swing if the pitch is in the zone. And hit it into the parking lot behind the centerfield fence.
Then - the next time they are up - the other team just might change their chant to - "Dont swing batter batter - please dont swing".
LOL
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
larry
I did not know that this was a contest---you asked for opinions and you got them---what more do you want ?
You are unreal--ask a question and turn it into a contest---
Poor phrasing on my part...I don't think of it as a contest. On one side, I have seasoned baseball people saying one thing...and on the other side, I have parents of little kids saying the exact opposite. Since I believe I have earned the right to think of myself as a seasoned baseball guy, you can see where I am in quite a pickle on this one. I mean geez, I agree with the parents.
quote:Originally posted by itsinthegame:
Larry,
I guess every one has a different view.
I always told my boys that if the other team wants to say stuff like that - they should oblige them - and swing if the pitch is in the zone. And hit it into the parking lot behind the centerfield fence.
Then - the next time they are up - the other team just might change their chant to - "Dont swing batter batter - please dont swing".
LOL
Actions are always a way to get mouths closed...no doubt about it.
quote:Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above?
Those kids in Florida must be a heck of a lot more polite than our California boys! Or perhaps you just haven't been seated close enough to the field at a HS or college game in order to hear it?
Chanting isn't done, but some very distracting words are routinely uttered at games.
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:quote:Originally posted by DPElite99:
If chanting or yelling at opposing players is "part of baseball", how come you don't see it in high school and above?
Those kids in Florida must be a heck of a lot more polite than our California boys! Or perhaps you just haven't been seated close enough to the field at a HS or college game in order to hear it?
Chanting isn't done, but some very distracting words are routinely uttered at games.
I'd like to hear more about it. Please continue...
The HS regular season is over, and my son's team had a potluck dinner tonight. So I asked other parents for some examples.
Both HS and college players (and some student spectators) go to Facebook or MySpace, and collect info about players' girlfriends. Just the name and a little creativity can cause real consternation.
If an opposing player is heavier than usual for a baseball player, he'll be unpleasantly reminded of it. And if he makes a mental error, then perhaps "Your waist is bigger than your IQ!"
An example from 3-4 years ago: Opposing pitcher started the last game of the season with a two year HS W-L record of 32-0. As he came up to bat in the bottom of the 7th, trailing 1-0 on an extremely unearned run, he was greeted with the deafening and unrelenting chant of "32 and 1", "32 and 1".
If an opposing pitcher's control is off, following a pitch in the dirt or to the backstop, a team may erupt, in a variety of intonations, the chorus "Ball!" and "Ball!", followed by silence broken by a single cooed "Ball?"
Speaking of balls, if a batter jumps out of the path of an inside pitch, his own team may point out that they have ice. The opposing team or other students may suggest "We just threw you a ball; one more and you'll have a pair!"
Both HS and college players (and some student spectators) go to Facebook or MySpace, and collect info about players' girlfriends. Just the name and a little creativity can cause real consternation.
If an opposing player is heavier than usual for a baseball player, he'll be unpleasantly reminded of it. And if he makes a mental error, then perhaps "Your waist is bigger than your IQ!"
An example from 3-4 years ago: Opposing pitcher started the last game of the season with a two year HS W-L record of 32-0. As he came up to bat in the bottom of the 7th, trailing 1-0 on an extremely unearned run, he was greeted with the deafening and unrelenting chant of "32 and 1", "32 and 1".
If an opposing pitcher's control is off, following a pitch in the dirt or to the backstop, a team may erupt, in a variety of intonations, the chorus "Ball!" and "Ball!", followed by silence broken by a single cooed "Ball?"
Speaking of balls, if a batter jumps out of the path of an inside pitch, his own team may point out that they have ice. The opposing team or other students may suggest "We just threw you a ball; one more and you'll have a pair!"
"Bench Jockeying" as it used to be called has gone on in baseball sicne the game began--part of being a good player is ignoring the taunts that come with the territory
The real good players do not even hear them
Play the game
The real good players do not even hear them
Play the game
Our 6U t-ball team has recently begun the chant of "Hey batta batta...." from the field. I think it was a parent or brother who taught it to one and now they all do it. They don't do it all of the time because their attention span is simply not that long but when they do they are really into it.
IMO when they chant they are having fun and actually focused on the game and not rocks, their shoes or butterflies. I see no harm in it and have no intention of stopping it.
IMO when they chant they are having fun and actually focused on the game and not rocks, their shoes or butterflies. I see no harm in it and have no intention of stopping it.
I thought it was interesting after a week of this discussion. I was at a tournament this weekend with my son and was watching the 10U game while we were waiting to play. The catcher kept talking to the batters saying various things but he kept saying swing batter right when the pitch got there.
One of the best players on the other team stepped out of the batter's box after taking the first pitch and said, "If you holler at me one more time, I'm gonna put this bat upside your head."
All of hte sudden the umpire realized he had a problem. He called both coaches together and threatened to throw out any player who talked, chanted, anything to the other team. He also warned the batter to not ever say anything like that again.
I just wondered watching this unfold, when should someone have stepped in before it got to this point. Everyone had been hearing it for three innings.
One of the best players on the other team stepped out of the batter's box after taking the first pitch and said, "If you holler at me one more time, I'm gonna put this bat upside your head."
All of hte sudden the umpire realized he had a problem. He called both coaches together and threatened to throw out any player who talked, chanted, anything to the other team. He also warned the batter to not ever say anything like that again.
I just wondered watching this unfold, when should someone have stepped in before it got to this point. Everyone had been hearing it for three innings.
quote:Originally posted by RETIRED GM:
Our 6U t-ball team has recently begun the chant of "Hey batta batta...." from the field. I think it was a parent or brother who taught it to one and now they all do it. They don't do it all of the time because their attention span is simply not that long but when they do they are really into it.
IMO when they chant they are having fun and actually focused on the game and not rocks, their shoes or butterflies. I see no harm in it and have no intention of stopping it.
Do they chant:
A. Hey batta, batta; Hey batta, batta; etc...
or
B. Hey batta, batta...swing; Hey batta, batta...swing; etc...???
In my opinion, big difference. And *THAT* has been my point from the get go.
Real time example of action always speaking louder than words.
Last night - Playoff game to decide top seed in State HS tournament bracket. Neutral field.
The other team brings their designated hecklers. One in particular is just brutal. Very personal. All game - every inning - for 8 innings. No profanity - but hard core "big time college" personal heckling. (I dont think this clown liked Italians very much - LOL)
Son in the outfield - the hecklers go out there in the 4th inning and stay until the end. Right up against the fence.
Said just about everything imaginable - Coach complained - umpire said tough luck - LOL
Extra innings (Score tied 9-9) - Monkey lays a perfect bunt down the first base line - with a man on first - catcher fields it - has to hurry LOL - throws it outside the bag (foul territory). 1st baseman crosses over - cant get to the throw - and for his efforts also gets knocked on his *** by the Monkey.
Right fielder backing up the play - somehow misses the ball - Monkey runs all the way to home. 2 runs - No more chants - no more heckling - just "Game Over".
LOL
Last night - Playoff game to decide top seed in State HS tournament bracket. Neutral field.
The other team brings their designated hecklers. One in particular is just brutal. Very personal. All game - every inning - for 8 innings. No profanity - but hard core "big time college" personal heckling. (I dont think this clown liked Italians very much - LOL)
Son in the outfield - the hecklers go out there in the 4th inning and stay until the end. Right up against the fence.
Said just about everything imaginable - Coach complained - umpire said tough luck - LOL
Extra innings (Score tied 9-9) - Monkey lays a perfect bunt down the first base line - with a man on first - catcher fields it - has to hurry LOL - throws it outside the bag (foul territory). 1st baseman crosses over - cant get to the throw - and for his efforts also gets knocked on his *** by the Monkey.
Right fielder backing up the play - somehow misses the ball - Monkey runs all the way to home. 2 runs - No more chants - no more heckling - just "Game Over".
LOL
quote:Originally posted by larrythompson:quote:Originally posted by RETIRED GM:
Our 6U t-ball team has recently begun the chant of "Hey batta batta...." from the field. I think it was a parent or brother who taught it to one and now they all do it. They don't do it all of the time because their attention span is simply not that long but when they do they are really into it.
IMO when they chant they are having fun and actually focused on the game and not rocks, their shoes or butterflies. I see no harm in it and have no intention of stopping it.
Do they chant:
A. Hey batta, batta; Hey batta, batta; etc...
or
B. Hey batta, batta...swing; Hey batta, batta...swing; etc...???
In my opinion, big difference. And *THAT* has been my point from the get go.
Um, being t-ball....there is no intent of our 6 year-olds to disrupt the timing of the batter. No need to tell the batter to swing as the umpire does that as soon as he places the ball on the tee.
They just say hey batta batta over and over again.
This topic is ridiculous....
quote:Originally posted by RETIRED GM:quote:Originally posted by larrythompson:quote:Originally posted by RETIRED GM:
Our 6U t-ball team has recently begun the chant of "Hey batta batta...." from the field. I think it was a parent or brother who taught it to one and now they all do it. They don't do it all of the time because their attention span is simply not that long but when they do they are really into it.
IMO when they chant they are having fun and actually focused on the game and not rocks, their shoes or butterflies. I see no harm in it and have no intention of stopping it.
Do they chant:
A. Hey batta, batta; Hey batta, batta; etc...
or
B. Hey batta, batta...swing; Hey batta, batta...swing; etc...???
In my opinion, big difference. And *THAT* has been my point from the get go.
Um, being t-ball....there is no intent of our 6 year-olds to disrupt the timing of the batter. No need to tell the batter to swing as the umpire does that as soon as he places the ball on the tee.
They just say hey batta batta over and over again.
This topic is ridiculous....
Thank You! Exactly...no intent to disrupt the timing of the batter. That is why I brought this up in the first place. When the coach was teaching the 7-8 year olds to do this, it was for the express intent to disrupt the timing of the hitters from the other team.
What would you rather talk about? I can bring it on a number of topics? How bout proper footwork on double-cut relays? Should we engage in the crossover discussion for left-side IFers? How bout a debate on bunting (whether the bat is parallel or at a 45 degree angle at impact)?
My point is that I'm an experienced baseball coach (almost two decades coaching 17-18 year olds), but coaching at the younger age groups is new to me. I made a statement that I thought that a coach teaching young kids to disrupt the concentration of their opponent was lazy and assanine thing to do. Kids can have plenty of fun playing ball, and learn to play ball at the same time.
If you care to discuss those topics or ones of actual relevance to little kids and baseball then by all means do so....but this topic is absurd.
Feel free to PM if you want to discuss 18U baseball....I know a thing or two about that as well.
HEY BATTA BATTA, HEY BATTA BATTA....LOL!
Feel free to PM if you want to discuss 18U baseball....I know a thing or two about that as well.