Hit by batted ball while on the base????

Thats a judgement call by the umpire I believe.
But why would a batter be on the base with a hit ball.

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Thats a judgement call by the umpire I believe.
But why would a batter be on the base with a hit ball.

EH - Main case I can think of is any popup to the infield, whether or not the IFR is in effect. I know this was discussed in this forum in the last year (specifically for the IFR).

Official rules......
7.08(f) He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball has touched or passed an infielder. The ball is dead and no runner may score, nor runners advance, except runners forced to advance. EXCEPTION: If a runner is touching his base when touched by an Infield Fly, he is not out, although the batter is out;

If the runner is standing in foul territory, off the base, when the ball touches him, it is a foul ball and the ball is dead. Less than 2 strikes add a strike to the batter.

The runner on third is hit with a ball directly off the bat in fair territory he is out, while he is standing on a base.
If the ball had passed through F5 then touching the runner ball is live, no out to runner. If an infield fly is called and ball hits the runner on third (standing on the base) then only the batter is out.
If infield fly is called and the runner steps off the base and the ball hits him then both are out.

Long story short (assuming fair territory)

If its an IFF, he's not out.

Any other case, he's out.

No umpire judgement here (except on the IFF, as applicable)

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Originally posted by LonBlue67:
Long story short (assuming fair territory)

If its an IFF, he's not out.

Any other case, he's out.

No umpire judgement here (except on the IFF, as applicable)

Let's say no IFF, screaming line drive, (3rd baseman is playing in front of the ball, and the 2nd baseman has no chance at a play),runner on 3rd cant get out of the way, is he out?

He's out.


If he's touched in fair territory, he's out. Other than IFF, no exceptions.

A clarification is in order.

If the batted ball has already been touched by or has passed an infielder when it hits the runner and the umpire believes no other infielder could make a play on the ball then the runner is not out unless he does something intentional to be hit or deflect the ball. The ball remains live and in play.

See the following rule....see the last line
rule is from OBR.

Rule 7.08(e) Comment: PLAY. Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher’s throw catches him before he can return. Ruling is that runner is out. (Force out is removed.)
Oversliding and overrunning situations arise at bases other than first base. For instance, before two are out, and runners on first and second, or first, second and third, the ball is hit to an infielder who tries for the double play. The runner on first beats the throw to second base but overslides the base. The relay is made to first base and the batter-runner is out. The first baseman, seeing the runner at second base off the bag, makes the return throw to second and the runner is tagged off the base. Meanwhile runners have crossed the plate. The question is: Is this a force play? Was the force removed when the batter-runner was out at first base? Do the runs that crossed the plate during this play and before the third out was made when the runner was tagged at second, count? Answer: The runs score. It is not a force play. It is a tag play.
(f) He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball has touched or passed an infielder. The ball is dead and no runner may score, nor runners advance, except runners forced to advance. EXCEPTION: If a runner is touching his base when touched by an Infield Fly, he is not out, although the batter is out;
Rule 7.08(f) Comment: If two runners are touched by the same fair ball, only the first one is out because the ball is instantly dead.
If runner is touched by an Infield Fly when he is not touching his base, both runner and batter are out.

thanks for the assist, pilsner, you are correct of course

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Originally posted by LonBlue67:
He's out.


If he's touched in fair territory, he's out. Other than IFF, no exceptions.

There is an exception: 7.09(k)

Basically if a fielder misses the ball and it hits the batter immediately behind the fielder there is no call, live ball play on!

So in my scenario I am going to put this runner is NOT out according to the rules....

Runners on second and third and less than two outs. All four infielders are playing on the grass for a possible play at the plate. Runner on second is taking his lead and is behind the shortstop.

Linedrive at shortstop that is knuckling and he misses it on a shorthop right at him. Ball hits the dirt and bounces up and hits the runner behind him.

In this case it is a live ball because it was past an infielder and nobody else on the IF had a chance at it - is this correct?

What if in the same situation the ball never hit the ground but hit the runner in the air after passing the infielders?

Thanks guys.

In this case it would not be out in either case.

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Originally posted by Z-Dad:

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Originally posted by LonBlue67:
He's out.


If he's touched in fair territory, he's out. Other than IFF, no exceptions.

There is an exception: 7.09(k)

Basically if a fielder misses the ball and it hits the batter immediately behind the fielder there is no call, live ball play on!

Ummm, yeah, that was already mentioned in pilsner's correction.

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There is an exception: 7.09(k)

Basically if a fielder misses the ball and it hits the batter immediately behind the fielder there is no call, live ball play on!

If this happens the umpire must immediately call "Time" to stop all further action. He then must tell the batter that he cannot legally bat from behind any fielder and must, in fact, bat while in the batter's box. He must also inform the batter that if he tries it again he forfeits his right to soda and a hot dog after the game.

Sorry, I know it was a typo. I just couldn't resist.

Remind me.....is the penalty for batting behind the fielder a 15 yard penalty, a red or yellow card,a game misconduct or restriction to the penalty box???.........

and minus hot dog and soda after the game......

LOL, you guys got me!

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There is an exception: 7.09(k)

Basically if a fielder misses the ball and it hits the batter immediately behind the fielder there is no call, live ball play on!

Z-dad,
Now don't be apologizing.

I know exactly what you meant. Pop up between HP and 1B. BR slows to allow the protected F2 room, ball falls untouched, through F2's arms. With all that back spin it hits and rolls toward HP and hits the BR in foul ground, you are correct, he'd probably "in my judgement" not be out, and he would still be the batter, and he was behind a fielder.

Bonus hot dog for jjk.