BlueDog- Makes sense. I truly believe there is great info out there. Now, how do we convey it in the best way to reach the baseball masses and get results ON THE FIELD and not in the lab. I'd love to hear some of your thoughts as well as some of the others.
quote:Dog, can you define top half as i'm not clear on your statement...
Everything above the hips.....
quote:I'd love to hear some of your thoughts as well as some of the others.
Well, you asked, so.....
It's about solving the problem of getting the bat around to the ball in such a way that is efficient and consistent....And, it's not about, if you do what I say you will have an efficient and consistent swing....It's about improving the degree of efficiency and consistency on a constant basis.....How long does it take?....As long as you play the game of baseball.....
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Williams said "preloading" does not work/messes up rhythm. Do NOT start with the weight too much back and the hips already turned back.
I notice the power hitter's useing the drop knee style of swing.
Low spread out stance. And the have the upper body and power to hit that way.
It may work for them, I don't care for it.
Same as rotational style.
I still feel the best swing is the Linear style, aka.( Griffey, Bond's, Ted William's,).
It's more naturel, Your Born with it.
William's calls it Rhythm, I alway's called it Timing.
Rhythm make's more since.
My feeling is you need to be as loose as possible at the plate.
Keep the bat moving in a rhythmatic timing pattern, Back and forth toward's the pitcher.
Until the Pitcher is ready to throw, then and only then do you
get set to hit the ball.
So as not to get set to early and get Tight in the Box.
Keep the Muscle's Fast twetching, if that make's since. EH
Williams said "preloading" does not work/messes up rhythm. Do NOT start with the weight too much back and the hips already turned back.
I notice the power hitter's useing the drop knee style of swing.
Low spread out stance. And the have the upper body and power to hit that way.
It may work for them, I don't care for it.
Same as rotational style.
I still feel the best swing is the Linear style, aka.( Griffey, Bond's, Ted William's,).
It's more naturel, Your Born with it.
William's calls it Rhythm, I alway's called it Timing.
Rhythm make's more since.
My feeling is you need to be as loose as possible at the plate.
Keep the bat moving in a rhythmatic timing pattern, Back and forth toward's the pitcher.
Until the Pitcher is ready to throw, then and only then do you
get set to hit the ball.
So as not to get set to early and get Tight in the Box.
Keep the Muscle's Fast twetching, if that make's since. EH
ncball, IMO, the only way players understand the message is to teach themselves.....Which is what great hitters do, anyway.....
Most coaches and/or instructors teach segments of the swing with drills....When the student shows they can perform each segment, they, then, put it together....There is research that refers to this as block training.....It's the same way most teachers teach subjects in school.....When a hitter struggles, the coach/instructor goes to the segment he sees as being the problem and fixes it......I think it is appropriate to refer to this method as conventional baseball wisdom......
I have put together a teaching program for swinging and hitting which parallels the, let 'em teach themselves theory.....
Most coaches and/or instructors teach segments of the swing with drills....When the student shows they can perform each segment, they, then, put it together....There is research that refers to this as block training.....It's the same way most teachers teach subjects in school.....When a hitter struggles, the coach/instructor goes to the segment he sees as being the problem and fixes it......I think it is appropriate to refer to this method as conventional baseball wisdom......
I have put together a teaching program for swinging and hitting which parallels the, let 'em teach themselves theory.....
theEH, Ted Williams has several inconsistencies in his book.....What he called pre-loading may or may not be what you, or someone else, considers it to be.........
At the plate, the mind must be loose, but, the body needs some tension.....
At the plate, the mind must be loose, but, the body needs some tension.....
Dog, your saying top half including shoulders/arms/hands must go forward during weight shift...In loading the shoulders during weight shift aren't they working against the stride...
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NYdad, I'm talking about the torso, including the shoulders and head.....When the middle shifts forward, the upper torso needs to go with it....It's a linear move..
An example of a hitter not carrying his upper torso with his middle...
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BlueDog- Great stuff. I agree that a player needs to be his own best coach- hitting or pitching. They need to know their swing (pitching motion) better than anybody and be able to correct themselves. We video our guys and use dartfish. We have them review themselves and it's amazing the changes they will make once they see what they are actually doing instead of just feel what they are doing.
quote:......see what they are actually doing instead of just feel what they are doing.
Yes.....This, IMO, is the key....Perception is not so good a teacher.....We often perceive we are doing something when in actuality, we're not....
quote:Perception is not so good a teacher.....We often perceive we are doing something when in actuality, we're not....
Amen...from both student and teacher perspectives which is why video is such an important learning/teaching tool.
dog-
interesting that Dixon does not include scaps as part of torso.
interesting that Dixon does not include scaps as part of torso.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:......see what they are actually doing instead of just feel what they are doing.
Yes.....This, IMO, is the key....Perception is not so good a teacher.....We often perceive we are doing something when in actuality, we're not....
Interesting.
First you say kids shouldnt listen to what they are told - they should emulate what they see.
Then you say - perception is not good.
So we have a dilemma.
If the kids are going to emulate what they see - as you suggest - how will they do that without perceiving.
Complete and utter nonsensical circular garbage. IMO.
Ncball, NYdad, the trolls are back trying to disrupt the board......
quote:dog-
interesting that Dixon does not include scaps as part of torso.
Tom, I would be interested to hear your opinion on this......
